Both Charlie Olives and Islam are Overrated Mega Thread

[moosaev]

His grappling is really good, I don’t think an overrated fighter would have handled Kevin Lee and Tony that way.

But its not a grappling tournament, its MMA. His quality of opposition in his win streak is overrated, all i'm saying is he has more to prove. He is not at the Poirier, Gaethje level elite class of the LW division. People are acting like he deserves an immediate title fight but i'm not convinced.

 

[Joseph_McBride]

Stop it. Gaethje finished Tony and put him in the hospital. Olives decisioned Tony and Tony could've probably fought on another card the next week after fighting Olives.

You do realize that 5 rounds & 3 rounds aren't equal, right? Or is maths too hard for you??

Not to mention if there was 3 more seconds in round 1 & Tony would never fight again. Who cares about context though amirite?

 

[kenetics]

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Look at this supposedly "great" win streak. You compare this to Gaethje, Poirier of Khabib's recent records and its embarassing. So tell me again why Olives deserves to be mentioned in their category? Chandler has a stronger case IMO.

Tony Ferguson: I think everyone agrees he's washed and Olives picked the bones off the carcass that Gaethje already ate

Kevin Lee: Most overrated LW of all time probably, lost 3 of his last 4.

Nick Lentz: 3 fight losing skid, already lost to Islam Makachev before Olives got the sloppy seconds

Jared Gordon: lol, no comment

David Teymur: Dude hasn't fought in over 2 years.

Agree. He also crumbles everytime pressure is out on him.

 

[moosaev]

Teymur- 5-0 before Oliveira apparently retired him. Should have been ranked top 15 if guys like Nate werent still ranked at the time.

-He destroyed Lentz like nobody else has including the likes of Chad Mendes & Islam. Lentz btw 10-5-1 at 155 lbs in the UFC.

-Whooped Lee, who didnt have staph & didnt even try to make 155 much more impressively than RDA & Tony. A Lee that was more technically sound than ever under Firas & had just smoked top 15 Gillespie.

-Dominated Tony everywhere, especially on the ground which is more impressive than outstriking him.

-Gordon & Giagos both have winning records in the UFC, not exactly bums.

-Did a lot better vs Brooks than Chandler, everyone wants to see fight for the belt.

You can literally pick apart anyone's resume of you have enough hater in you.

I literally gave a side by side on Gaethje, Poirier and Khabib's top wins. Olives big wins pale in comparison, it's like night and day. I'm not saying Olives is a bum, i'm saying he hasn't proven that he's at the very elite of the division.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Khabib beat RDA 6 months before RDA became the LW champ lmao. Get outta here.

Both Tony and Khabib were beating quality opponents during their win streak. Olives has been beating bums.

Look. I get you're probably not an asshole and are just trying to add context to his win streak and ranking. Cool.

But here's some other context. No one ranked above him would fight him. Everyone ducked him. But he was earning good money and fought as often as he could.

So what can a guy do when he wants to fight and no one ranked will fight him? He keeps fighting unranked guys. No one at LW has fought as often. 10 fights since April 2017, that's an average of a fight every four and a half months.

We are supposed to celebrate guys who try to fight as often as they can, not berate them for "beating bums".

It's time to prove you're not just being an asshole and acknowledge this. Cheers.

 

[Joseph_McBride]

But its not a grappling tournament, its MMA. His quality of opposition in his win streak is overrated, all i'm saying is he has more to prove. He is not at the Poirier, Gaethje level elite class of the LW division. People are acting like he deserves an immediate title fight but i'm not convinced.

So Gaethje beating Barboza, Vick, & Cowboy, who are combined 2-12-1 in their last 15 fights, = elite? LOL

 

[Koro_11]

I just don't get why people consider him in the class of Poirier, Gaethje or Khabib:

Khabib: demolished Conor, Poirier, and Gaethje, and Barboza

Gaethje: demolished Tony, Cowboy, Barboza, had incredibly competitive fights with Poirier and Alvarez

Poirier: beat Conor, Holloway, Gaethje, Alvarez, Hooker

Oliveira: beat a washed Tony, thats literally IT

So Gaethje gets full credit for demolishing Tony, but when Oliveira fought him just a few months later he instantly became washed up Tony? Ok.

By the way Tony was competitive with Justin and even dropped him on his ass, while Charlie completely dominated from start to finish.

 

[moosaev]

Look. I get you're probably not an asshole and are just trying to add context to his win streak and ranking. Cool.

But here's some other context. No one ranked above him would fight him. Everyone ducked him. But he was earning good money and fought as often as he could.

So what can a guy do when he wants to fight and no one ranked will fight him? He keeps fighting unranked guys. No one at LW has fought as often. 10 fights since April 2017, that's an average of a fight every 4.2 months.

We are supposed to celebrate guys who try to fight as often as they can, not berate them for "beating bums".

It's time to prove you're not just being an asshole and acknowledge this.

I absolutely acknowledge that Olives deserves to be rewarded, i'm just not sure an immediate title fight is deserved. In some sense he's already been rewarded with a high ranking, so nobody is ducking him anymore. Lets see him fight another top guy. You have fighters on amazing win streaks who aren't even ranked in the top 10.

 

[CutStryker]

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Look at this supposedly "great" win streak. You compare this to Gaethje, Poirier of Khabib's recent records and its embarassing. So tell me again why Olives deserves to be mentioned in their category? Chandler has a stronger case IMO.

Tony Ferguson: I think everyone agrees he's washed and Olives picked the bones off the carcass that Gaethje already ate

Kevin Lee: Most overrated LW of all time probably, lost 3 of his last 4.

Nick Lentz: 3 fight losing skid, already lost to Islam Makachev before Olives got the sloppy seconds

Jared Gordon: lol, no comment

David Teymur: Dude hasn't fought in over 2 years.

Doesn’t matter if Kevin Lee is “over rated” he’s still a top dangerous opponent and that goes for Tony too. Charles be subbing fools on that list except for Tony however was a cunt hair away from breaking his arm.
I would say,
Charles Oliveira vs. Chandler
Porier vs. Gaethje

the winners out of these two fights face each other to fight Khabib. If Khabib doesn’t want to fight the winner then the winner gets the Lightweight belt.

 

[moosaev]

So Gaethje beating Barboza, Vick, & Cowboy, who are combined 2-12-1 in their last 15 fights, = elite? LOL

Going tooth and nail with Poirier and Alvarez factors into it as well. Do you really wanna go into Olives losses? It won't get pretty, but Gaethje has shown his class both in defeat and victory.

 

[moosaev]

So Gaethje gets full credit for demolishing Tony, but when Oliveira fought him just a few months later he instantly became washed up Tony? Ok.

By the way Tony was competitive with Justin and even dropped him on his ass, while Charlie completely dominated from start to finish.

Fighters change after beatings like the one Tony took from Gaethje. Muhammad Ali was never the same after the Thrila in Manila, and Tony was never the same after fighting Gaethje. He was already on the downslope but that fight pushed him over the edge.

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

I absolutely acknowledge that Olives deserves to be rewarded, i'm just not sure an immediate title fight is deserved. In some sense he's already been rewarded with a high ranking, so nobody is ducking him anymore. Lets see him fight another top guy. You have fighters on amazing win streaks who aren't even ranked in the top 10.

Everyone knows Poirier deserves one.

• Many think Gaethje doesn't on a 1 fight losing streak.
• Many think Chandler doesn't on a 1 fight win streak.
• Many think Conor and RDA don't after 1 win in 4 years.
• Many think Felder, Hooker and Ferguson don't on 2 fight losing streaks.

Well, guess who that leaves?

If you fully agree with all the above statements, you must think Oliveira deserves it. If you sorta agree with all the above statements, you must acknowledge he may deserve it.

I hope I've made my point. Have a nice day.

 

[Sam's UFC title reign]

I think we have an Usman situation here. Usman beat a number of low ranked dudes for a long time before getting close to a title fight. He then beat Maia and RDA after Colby beat them. But now he is the undisputed Champion.

See it isn't necessarily always just the competition but how you beat the competition. Usman was super dominant over the lower ranked guys he fought and it showed. Oliveira has beaten all of the competition he fought dominantly.

 

[moosaev]

Everyone knows Poirier deserves one.

• Many think Gaethje doesn't on a 1 fight losing streak.
• Many think Chandler doesn't on a 1 fight win streak.
• Many think Conor and RDA don't after 1 win in 4 years.
• Many think Felder, Hooker and Ferguson don't on 2 fight losing streaks.

Well, guess who that leaves?

If you fully agree with all the above statements, you must think Oliveira deserves it. If you sorta agree with all the above statements, you must acknowledge he may deserve it.

I hope I've made my point. Have a nice day.

Poirier is the only fighter that absolutely deserves a title shot. Everyone else needs to humble themselves and accept contender fights. My issue with Olives and his fans and they think he deserves an immediate title shot. Look at his record, he hasn't earned that imo.

 

[Jose Beehive]

He's amazing until you MMA math a way of making him worse than the scum on your shoe.

 

[Flying omoplata]

no

 

[moosaev]

I think we have an Usman situation here. Usman beat a number of low ranked dudes for a long time before getting close to a title fight. He then beat Maia and RDA after Colby beat them. But now he is the undisputed Champion.

See it isn't necessarily always just the competition but how you beat the competition. Usman was super dominant over the lower ranked guys he fought and it showed. Oliveira has beaten all of the competition he fought dominantly.

Yeah but Usman went through everybody he had to go through. The equivalent would be for Olives to fight Gaethje, Islam, RDA etc. The only "top" guy Olives beaten is Tony.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

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Look at this supposedly "great" win streak. You compare this to Gaethje, Poirier of Khabib's recent records and its embarassing. So tell me again why Olives deserves to be mentioned in their category? Chandler has a stronger case IMO.

Tony Ferguson: I think everyone agrees he's washed and Olives picked the bones off the carcass that Gaethje already ate

Kevin Lee: Most overrated LW of all time probably, lost 3 of his last 4.

Nick Lentz: 3 fight losing skid, already lost to Islam Makachev before Olives got the sloppy seconds

Jared Gordon: lol, no comment

David Teymur: Dude hasn't fought in over 2 years.

Islam is the most overrated

 

[moosaev]

He's amazing until you MMA math a way of making him worse than the scum on your shoe.

He isn't bad, just overrated. Know the difference.

 

[moosaev]

Islam is the most overrated

Believe it or not, I agree that Islam is overrated. Because he hasn't proven himself against the very top. Although i do think Islam will eventually grow into his rating given the opportunity. Same concept for Olives. But if you can't accept the same about Olives then you're just an Olives fanboy or an Islam hater.