Book Banning

[Gregolian]

Really, on echaracter's name and a classic is a no-go?

Seems to me its a great oppertunity to teach kids not only the novel but the times in which thenovel was written.

As someone that is a minority, granted not black. If I was a child I'd rather not have to read a book describing my people as "zipperheads" or a "Jap".

I can laugh as an adult at Gran Torino during the will reading but in actuality, as a child reading something like that or hearing that via a movie.... You WILL feel like less of a person.

I remember having white friends try to tell me "Jap" isn't a racial slur becasue it stands for "Jewish American Princess" and it was rough.

 

[EyeOfNewt]

You know what else sounds lazy?

Making kids read the same shitty old books for nearly a century instead of changing or improving the curriculum despite its obvious failures.

Yeah, let's read Marvel and DC comics. And maybe between breaks we can pick our genders and yell math is racist.

 

[HOLA]

Never met a narcissist whose dream was to serve and save others.

Did you even read CITR? Be honest.

Why would I develop a vendetta against a novel I never read? Do you think I'm a...phony!? Holden!?

It was assigned reading in 10th grade English. Somehow, someone had a brain fart and we read it again in 12th grade English. My first semester of college it was assigned reading in an English course and then in my last year of college I took an elective and it was assigned reading again! I have a PHD in CITR!

I know the novel resonates with a lot of people when they're growing up. They feel like they're Holden Caulfield. I've heard from some people it's actually their favorite novel. But I wasn't one of those people. I thought Holden was a self-absorbed adolescent whose repetitive indictments of society sound like they come from an angsty teen. His grasp of society and the intricacies of the mind were superficial and vapid. Dostoevsky's "underground man" is someone whose indictments of society are thought provoking - Holden Caulfield just made me want to give him a good smack.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Why would I develop a vendetta against a novel I never read? Do you think I'm a...phony!? Holden!?

It was assigned reading in 10th grade English. Somehow, someone had a brain fart and we read it again in 12th grade English. My first semester of college it was assigned reading in an English course and then in my last year of college I took an elective and it was assigned reading again! I have a PHD in CITR!

I know the novel resonates with a lot of people when they're growing up. They feel like they're Holden Caulfield. I've heard from some people it's actually their favorite novel. But I wasn't one of those people. I thought Holden was a self-absorbed adolescent whose repetitive indictments of society sound like they come from an angsty teen. His grasp of society and the intricacies of the mind were superficial and vapid. Dostoevsky's "underground man" is someone whose indictments of society are thought provoking - Holden Caulfield just made me want to give him a good smack.

What did you think of Portnoy's Complaint?

 

[SammyPops]

As someone that is a minority, granted not black. If I was a child I'd rather not have to read a book describing my people as "zipperheads" or a "Jap".

I can laugh as an adult at Gran Torino during the will reading but in actuality, as a child reading something like that or hearing that via a movie.... You WILL feel like less of a person.

I remember having white friends try to tell me "Jap" isn't a racial slur becasue it stands for "Jewish American Princess" and it was rough.

Firslty, its misleading to compare evoked feelings from Gran Ternio and To Kill a Mocking Bird.

Its obviously depends on the age of the kids, but yeah being unconfortable isn't the worst thing.

Should we stop teaching how the Japanese raped Chinese women at will or how they starved Canadians to death b/c a boy of Japanese decent may be unconfortable?

Not sure what to say if a 16 year old black student can't handle a certain word (used by rappers non stop) to learn about a great novel.

 

[Gregolian]

Firslty, its misleading to compare evoked feelings from Gran Ternio and To Kill a Mocking Bird.

Its obviously depends on the age of the kids, but yeah being unconfortable isn't the worst thing.

Should we stop teaching how the Japanese raped Chinese women at will or how they starved Canadians to death b/c a boy of Japanese decent may be unconfortable?

Not sure what to say if a 16 year old black student can't handle a certain word (used by rappers non stop) to learn about a great novel.

There's nothing wrong with learning about uncomfortable shit. The US education system frankly should cover shit like the Rape of Nanking, Vietnam war, and other shit like that more than it does.

My point more is the way people are described within the teaching tools you have.

 

[HOLA]

Yeah, let's read Marvel and DC comics. And maybe between breaks we can pick our genders and yell math is racist.

Unlike movies and TV which are getting dumber and dumber great novels are still being made in the 21st Century. 2666 by Roberto Bolano, Against The Day by Thomas Pynchon are two favorites.

Not sure if they would fly in school, though. Besides for being massive novels there's all that...prison sex.

 

[Wet Blanket]

The nazis were socialists. The S in NSDAP stands for socialist. The European Union was actually modelled after the European Confederation plan of Von Ribbentrop. As painful for you it is to admit, the nazis were leftists.

Imagine still trying to push this fallacy.

 

[EyeOfNewt]

Firslty, its misleading to compare evoked feelings from Gran Ternio and To Kill a Mocking Bird.

Its obviously depends on the age of the kids, but yeah being unconfortable isn't the worst thing.

Should we stop teaching how the Japanese raped Chinese women at will or how they starved Canadians to death b/c a boy of Japanese decent may be unconfortable?

Not sure what to say if a 16 year old black student can't handle a certain word (used by rappers non stop) to learn about a great novel.

The worst thing a parent, a tutor and teacher can do to a child is lying to them about the world they live in.

Look what happened to the naive girls that went to Morocco. They were beheaded during a live conversation with their mothers. I honestly can't imagine a worse fate than this. But it happened, because someone lied to them, someone told them the world is safe out there, it's a woman's world and all that empowerment drivel.

The next thing they will do is cancel math lol. They're already talking about it, and I ain't even making this shit up.

 

[EyeOfNewt]

Imagine still trying to push this fallacy.

You have no clue about the world you live in. You read the things you were told to read, you think the things you are told to think and at the end of the day you convince yourself it's by your own choice. Pretty sad man

 

[HOLA]

Does Peterson himself have an issue with either of those?

Not that I'm aware of. The Peterson fan just read the syllabus, saw "postmodern literature" and freaked out.

What did you think of Portnoy's Complaint?

I've only read one Phillip Roth novel - The Plot Against America. It was worth a read but I wasn't crazy about it. Haven't read any more from Roth since then.

 

[EyeOfNewt]

Unlike movies and TV which are getting dumber and dumber great novels are still being made in the 21st Century. 2666 by Roberto Bolano, Against The Day by Thomas Pynchon are two favorites.

Not sure if they would fly in school, though. Besides for being massive novels there's all that...prison sex.

Will look into them, thanks!

 

[SammyPops]

There's nothing wrong with learning about uncomfortable shit. The US education system frankly should cover shit like the Rape of Nanking, Vietnam war, and other shit like that more than it does.

My point more is the way people are described within the teaching tools you have.

And that provides an oppertunity to teach why those characterswere presented that way.

I assume Mocking Bird is banned for the way it describes the black rape defendent, use that to show ... fuck I don't know ... how whites viewed blacks then.

I ain't no teacher, but I do know these novels are classics for a reason, that they tell us something about ourselves, our nation etc and should be treasured as such.

Ferinheight 541 teaches important topics, and one day .... just wait ... a bunch of SJWs will be triggered b/c the chick is protrayed as a waste of a women, but fuck that.

 

[Gregolian]

And that provides an oppertunity to teach why those characterswere presented that way.

I assume Mocking Bird is banned for the way it describes the black rape defendent, use that to show ... fuck I don't know ... how whites viewed blacks then.

I ain't no teacher, but I do know these novels are classics for a reason, that they tell us something about ourselves, our nation etc and should be treasured as such.

Ferinheight 541 teaches important topics, and one day .... just wait ... a bunch of SJWs will be triggered b/c the chick is protrayed as a waste of a women, but fuck that.

The book I am surprised hasn't made it on these lists is Lord of the Flies given the content of it. Kids go fucking nuts and kill one of their own.

 

[SammyPops]

The book I am surprised hasn't made it on these lists is Lord of the Flies given the content of it. Kids go fucking nuts and kill one of their own.

Tbh I'm more surprised Hollywodd has not made an all girl version of it, thought they'd fuck it up by not fat shaming Piggy ... not b/c I want to fat shame anyone but rather b/c him being fat and weak is essential to his character

 

[Wet Blanket]

You have no clue about the world you live in. You read the things you were told to read, you think the things you are told to think and at the end of the day you convince yourself it's by your own choice. Pretty sad man

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[Gregolian]

Tbh I'm more surprised Hollywodd has not made an all girl version of it, thought they'd fuck it up by not fat shaming Piggy ... not b/c I want to fat shame anyone but rather b/c him being fat and weak is essential to his character

Piggy being a character is a huge reason why they likely haven't done that. He's a HUGE component to the story and his physical appearance is a huge story point for why Simon (that's his name right?) ends up getting trampled during the like mini bonfire riot they have.

 

[FierceRedBelt]

You know what else sounds lazy?

Making kids read the same shitty old books for nearly a century instead of changing or improving the curriculum despite its obvious failures.

Do you think the quality of fiction literature has improved in the last century?

Feel free to suggest better books. Shakespere is pretty much as good as you're going to find in English writing and we're 400 years down the road.

 

[HOLA]

Tbh I'm more surprised Hollywodd has not made an all girl version of it, thought they'd fuck it up by not fat shaming Piggy ... not b/c I want to fat shame anyone but rather b/c him being fat and weak is essential to his character

Don't give them any ideas. I hate it so much when those hacks ruin a novel. Which is what they do 99% of the time they adapt a novel into a film.

 

[Patrick Jane]

Didn't Amazon delete 1984 from people's Kindles once? Shows how easy digital book burnings are if you buy DRM protected shit.