Book Banning

[Rational Poster]

The nazis were socialists. The S in NSDAP stands for socialist. The European Union was actually modelled after the European Confederation plan of Von Ribbentrop. As painful for you it is to admit, the nazis were leftists.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Uhh, I fully support Catcher in the Rye being banned. Diatribes of an emo narcissist that are supposed to be thought provoking and interesting. They're not.

interesting...you thought he was a "narcissist?"

I thought he was more depressed,...unsure of himself...he lacked confidence in almost every facet of his personality.

 

[Yehudim]

This type of shit happens every few years

 

[PainIsLIfe]

https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mocki...cerns-1547241?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

Just the latest school district around the nation to decide that some classic literature is just is too problematic to discuss with their students.

Burbank, Cali:
Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, Mark Twain's The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, John Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, Theodore Taylor's The Cay and Mildred D. Taylor's Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry.

I read Huckleberry Finn and Of Mice and Men as class projects middle school without any social or educational disruptions at school. In fact it makes a great introduction to the "woke curriculum" that the left wants in schools.

 

[tonni]

Even though they hated communism, feminism, gays, jews, slavs, people with handicaps they were leftists. Because of the S in the name, you see.

 

[BIKES!]

That's true. These books are all written from the white perspective. Black people did not have their own perspective on their own tribulations represented in that era to any meaningful degree, and that is a problem when choosing literature from that time period. It doesn't mean you can't still use those books, but I think it is very, very important that curriculums find ways to include black perspectives. Otherwise black kids read literature throughout school that forces them to be outsiders looking in on their own ancestral experience.

This idea that any person with white pigment feels the same, looks the same and has the same perspective on history and present times is the most racist and condescending leftist ideology.

Do you really think poor whites living in the trailer park can relate to William Shakespeare, Hemingway or Twain? What about latinos?

This idea of binary perspective tied to the color of ones skin is a load of BS. Do you really think blacks today who have never experienced any racism could relate with those that lived in the years of slavery and segregation?

 

[nostradumbass]

It's pretty obviously the fault of Mark Twain, John Steinbeck and Harper Lee that kids are retarded degenerates. I'll tell you what it's definitely not, and that's being raised by single moms and social media, and school curricula shifting further away from from education and replaced with social activism.

It's about time we got some real literature in schools to replace those garbage "classics".

 

[HOLA]

for real? the only part I thought was remotely "controversiaL' was when the Pimp beats up Holden.

I do agree that it was slightly overrated.

No, I'm kidding, I don't think any book should be banned. I just think The Catcher in the Rye is shit and there are much better novels for kids to read out there.

If they want novels that explore similar themes Hunger by Knut Hamsun and Ask The Dust by John Fante are far better choices.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

No, I'm kidding, I don't think any book should be banned. I just think The Catcher in the Rye is shit and there are much better novels for kids to read out there.

If they want novels that explore similar themes Hunger by Knut Hamsun and Ask The Dust by John Fante are far better choices.

**adding both of these books to my list.

thanks for the recommendations.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

It's pretty obviously the fault of Mark Twain, John Steinbeck and Harper Lee that kids are retarded degenerates. I'll tell you what it's definitely not, and that's being raised by single moms and social media, and school curricula shifting further away from from education and replaced with social activism.

It's about time we got some real literature in schools to replace these garbage "classics".

these books are absolutely terrible., but I don't support banning them.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I sorta get Huck Finn given a certain characters name.... I've admittedly never read Of Mice and Men so why is that getting banned?

Of Mice and Men has some misogynistic and racist language. Also, one of the characters wife says she can get a black character "strung up on a tree"

 

[Gregolian]

Of Mice and Men has some misogynistic and racist language about women and blacks. Also, one of the characters wife says she can get a black character "strung up on a tree"

Ok then. I kinda get it then I guess.

 

[nostradumbass]

Hates communism. Check.

wait

So the democrat party are in favor of communism? Thanks for that admission after years of denying it.

 

[Teppodama]

These books are all written from the white perspective. Black people did not have their own perspective on their own tribulations represented in that era to any meaningful degree, and that is a problem when choosing literature from that time period. It doesn't mean you can't still use those books, but I think it is very, very important that curriculums find ways to include black perspectives. Otherwise black kids read literature throughout school that forces them to be outsiders looking in on their own ancestral experience.

Huck Finn takes place in the 1800s and reflects upon that time period from a white perspective I agree. Certainly one should be able to find African American literature reflecting the same period that can act as a counter-point and cultural perspective of the time period. From a curriculum standpoint have a student read both then discuss the differences in how the authors approach those time periods and societal issues. Same for 19th century literature that someone finds problematic from a racial and or cultural perspective.

 

[tonni]

So the democrat party are in favor of communism? Thanks for that admission after years of denying it.

So are they communists or nazis is what I want to know?

 

[nac386]

This idea that any person with white pigment feels the same, looks the same and has the same perspective on history and present times is the most racist and condescending leftist ideology.

Do you really think poor whites living in the trailer park can relate to William Shakespeare, Hemingway or Twain? What about latinos?

This idea of binary perspective tied to the color of ones skin is a load of BS. Do you really think blacks today who have never experienced any racism could relate with those that lived in the years of slavery and segregation?

Do you just go thread to thread saying things that don't make any sense in the context of the conversation? I feel like every time that I see I've been quoted by "Bikes!" I'm going to have to clarify a bunch of strawmen arguments and generally try to make sense of a sloppy post.

1. Nobody ever said whites must all feel the same.
2. Nobody ever said blacks today must relate to slavery
3. Nobody ever said there was a "binary perspective" tied to skin color.

Nothing you said makes sense. I see people tell you this all the time, but you really need to do better if you're expecting to continue getting responses from people.

 

[nac386]

Huck Finn takes place in the 1800s and reflects upon that time period from a white perspective I agree. Certainly one should be able to find African American literature reflecting the same period that can act as a counter-point and cultural perspective of the time period. From a curriculum standpoint have a student read both then discuss the differences in how the authors approach those time periods and societal issues. Same for 19th century literature that someone finds problematic from a racial and or cultural perspective.

I think that's a great idea. Reading stories from the same time period, written from different perspectives, and then comparing those perspectives of the same period. I mean it, that's a very strong idea.

 

[Jack V Savage]

This thread is a mess. Book banning is bad, but some things to remember for people who care about getting things right:

1. No books are banned. Anyone who wants to read the books can read the books. They're not being removed from libraries or book stores. They're just not being assigned in Burbank.
2. The Burbank school district doesn't speak for the entire left or even the entire Democratic Party.
3. A curriculum is necessarily severely limited. Not every book can be included, and there are many potentially worthy candidates.

IMO, at least a couple of the books on that list are absolute classics that everyone should read (and, NB, they're coming from a liberal perspective, and a lot of the nutters screeching about this decision almost certainly haven't read and wouldn't like them). However, to decide whether they're *more* worthy of inclusion in the curriculum than other candidates requires more information than the story provides.

 

[nostradumbass]

So are they communists or nazis is what I want to know?

You're welcome to explain how they differ when it comes to book banning and media control.

 

[BIKES!]

Do you just go thread to thread saying things that don't make any sense in the context of the conversation? I feel like every time that I see I've been quoted by "Bikes!" I'm going to have to clarify a bunch of strawmen arguments and generally try to make sense of a sloppy post.

1. Nobody ever said whites must all feel the same.
2. Nobody ever said blacks today must relate to slavery
3. Nobody ever said there was a "binary perspective" tied to skin color.

Nothing you said makes sense. I see people tell you this all the time, but you really need to do better if you're expecting to continue getting responses from people.

You stated the problem with those books is that they weren't written from a black perspective and folks can't relate. I am stating how does that matter in relationship to today's blacks who hadn't experienced those issues and wouldn't relate any better to a black author of that time.

But keep on keeping on with your broken record D&I nonsense.