Book Banning

[Holic]

The democratic party is the new NSDAP.
Ban books. Check
Violent riots. Check
Media censorship. Check
Punish dissent with more violence. Check
Start a war somewhere. Pending

Don't forget "prevent republican dissidents from liking posts on sherdog"

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'll even concede that they're not all shitty, but they're certainly old.

It would also probably be pretty cool for some other American authors in the past 100 years to get some spotlight. Especially for those authors and publishers at least.

At the rate we're going they might as well replace the reading portion of the curriculum with a viewing of Mad Max: Fury Road.

They should put something by Paul Beatty on the list, though he uses the n-word a fair amount, too.

 

[Rational Poster]

They should put something by Paul Beatty on the list, though he uses the n-word a fair amount, too.

They could have a rotating list or something.

Anything really. At this point getting a kid to read and understand an entire book of anything seems like a better goal than actually worrying about what the book is or isn't specifically about.

Just seems really stubborn and lazy to never change them.

(and actually retarded to equate any changes to literal Nazi book banning)

 

[ultramanhyata]

Uhh, I fully support Catcher in the Rye being banned. Diatribes of an emo narcissist that are supposed to be thought provoking and interesting. They're not.

Never met a narcissist whose dream was to serve and save others.

Did you even read CITR? Be honest.

 

[Handsome Bruce]

Uhh, I fully support Catcher in the Rye being banned. Diatribes of an emo narcissist that are supposed to be thought provoking and interesting. They're not.

Haha! Catcher in the Rye is definitely self-loathing emo-cringe.

 

[HOLA]

I've also read a few complaints from Jordan Peterson fans in recent years regarding assigned reading material in colleges. Jordan Peterson has harped on about Postmodernism so much that when people get into college classes and get assigned "Postmodern Literature" to read they freak out. As if The Crying of Lot 49 and Slaughterhouse-Five are novels about gender pronouns or something.

 

[EyeOfNewt]

Nothing you said in any way proved they were leftists or socialists. The cossacks were/are notoriously anti-semitic so I'm really not sure what that's supposed to mean. Nazis were far right. It's a historical consensus and this whole "nazis were left wing" was started by trolls and is perpetuated by trolls like you.

wuuut Nazi Germany was a welfare state lol. More than that, their first step was to nullify Article 153 of the Weimar Constitution, which previously enabled germans to private property.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Constitution

The right to property was guaranteed by Article 153. Expropriation of property could be made only on the basis of law and for the public welfare, with appropriate compensation.

Reichstag Fire Decree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree

Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice.

The scary part is that the Reichstag Fire Decree is strikingly similar to what the democrats are doing. If you look at the Articles in the Weimar Constitution, the ones that were nullified:

114: The rights of the individual are inviolable.

You have the right to stay at home and stfu. Don't expect the have the same rights as others (affirmative action). Others have more rights than you (Pelosi, Newsom, etc.)

115: Every German's home is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions are admissible only if based on a law.

Police can now force their way inside your home without warrant under pretext of covid gatherings.

[118: Every German is entitled, within the bounds set by general law, to express his opinion freely in word, writing, print, image or otherwise.

If you express pro Trump views, prepare to be fired from your job, have your home vandalized, get death threats like the law firm that worked for Trump, etc.

123: All Germans have the right to assemble peacefully and unarmed; such assemblies do not require any prior notification or special permit.
A Reich law can require prior notification for assemblies taking place in the open, and it can, in case of imminent danger for public security, stipulate that such assemblies in the open may be prohibited.

BLM/Antifa can, YOU can't.

124: All Germans have the right to form societies or associations for purposes not prohibited by the criminal code. This right may not be limited by preventive regulations. The same provision applies to religious societies and associations.

Antifa is just an idea, Proud Boys are hate group.

 

[Squarechoke]

The nazis were socialists. The S in NSDAP stands for socialist. The European Union was actually modelled after the European Confederation plan of Von Ribbentrop. As painful for you it is to admit, the nazis were leftists.

Is this a clever way of saying that there are more important shortcomings of the educational system than which novels the students read, or is it an involuntary display of it?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I've also read a few complaints from Jordan Peterson fans in recent years regarding assigned reading material in colleges. Jordan Peterson has harped on about Postmodernism so much that when people get into college classes and get assigned "Postmodern Literature" to read they freak out. As if The Crying of Lot 49 and Slaughterhouse-Five are novels about gender pronouns or something.

Does Peterson himself have an issue with either of those?

 

[Rational Poster]

wuuut Nazi Germany was a welfare state lol. More than that, their first step was to nullify Article 153 of the Weimar Constitution, which previously enabled germans to private property.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Constitution


Reichstag Fire Decree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree


The scary part is that the Reichstag Fire Decree is strikingly similar to what the democrats are doing. If you look at the Articles in the Weimar Constitution, the ones that were nullified:


You have the right to stay at home and stfu. Don't expect the have the same rights as others (affirmative action). Others have more rights than you (Pelosi, Newsom, etc.)


Police can now force their way inside your home without warrant under pretext of covid gatherings.


If you express pro Trump views, prepare to be fired from your job, have your home vandalized, get death threats like the law firm that worked for Trump, etc.


BLM/Antifa can, YOU can't.


Antifa is just an idea, Proud Boys are hate group.

Oh wow we have dedicated nazi propagandist on our hands boys.

 

[tonni]

Is this a clever way of saying that there are more important shortcomings of the educational system than which novels the students read, or is it an involuntary display of it?

 

[blaseblah]

That's true. These books are all written from the white perspective. Black people did not have their own perspective on their own tribulations represented in that era to any meaningful degree, and that is a problem when choosing literature from that time period. It doesn't mean you can't still use those books, but I think it is very, very important that curriculums find ways to include black perspectives. Otherwise black kids read literature throughout school that forces them to be outsiders looking in on their own ancestral experience.

To Kill a Mockingbird does not attempt to be from the black perspective. The main character is white and the story is based around actual events from Harper's life.

There are actually plenty of notable black authors from Harper's era.

 

[EyeOfNewt]

Oh wow we have dedicated nazi propagandist on our hands boys.

you're the nazi lol. I don't agree with welfare state, I don't agree with violating private ownership, I don't agree with censorship of any kind and I certainly don't believe in bullying.

 

[Rational Poster]

you're the nazi lol. I don't agree with welfare state, I don't agree with violating private ownership, I don't agree with censorship of any kind and I certainly don't believe in bullying.

America has been a welfare state longer than your parents have been alive. The government has always had the right to violate property rights in America since it has been founded. You obviously do agree with censorship because censorship has also been a part of the media in America since its inception.

In short you're a fucking moron and you don't know anything about American or world history so you should just shut the fuck up and watch football like the rest of the losers.

 

[EyeOfNewt]

Is this a clever way of saying that there are more important shortcomings of the educational system than which novels the students read, or is it an involuntary display of it?

You read what you are told to read, isn't that how it works?

 

[EyeOfNewt]

America has been a welfare state longer than your parents have been alive. The government has always had the right to violate property rights in America since it has been founded. You obviously do agree with censorship because censorship has also been a part of the media in America since its inception.

In short you're a fucking moron and you don't know anything about American or world history so you should just shut the fuck up and watch football like the rest of the losers.

All that bookburning is getting you so passionate and fiery lol

 

[Rational Poster]

All that bookburning is getting you so passionate and fiery lol

No, this is how I always am.

You're just a bit sensitive.

 

[Teppodama]

You know what else sounds lazy?

Making kids read the same shitty old books for nearly a century instead of changing or improving the curriculum despite its obvious failures.

By all means, find other examples of 18th, 19th and 20th century literature you feel reflect those time periods and teach them young'uns. "Canceling" a book because it has racial epithets and that's too problematic or difficult of a conversation to have regarding why and the potential differences between then and now or similarities is what's lazy. Not providing a curated learning opportunity to contrast the view of Huck's "adventure" as a young white boy during the 1800rds with Jim's as a run away slave and his potential perspective of the same shared "adventure". To illustrate how Jim is likely to have perceived the same "adventure" the student could be directed to read an account of slavery by African American's of the same time period or during Jim Crow and then re-think or re-read the story from Jim's likely perspective with an eye toward how both he and Huck could share the same experience but see them in very different lights with very different potential outcomes.

What analysis can be made of both Huck's and Tom's characters and their interactions with Jim and the idea of his freedom? How does each of their characters reflect the society of the time as it related to a Black man like Jim?

 

[Rational Poster]

By all means, find other examples of 18th, 19th and 20th century literature you feel reflect those time periods and teach them young'uns. "Canceling" a book because it has racial epithets and that's too problematic or difficult of a conversation to have regarding why and the potential differences between then and now or similarities is what's lazy. Not providing a curated learning opportunity to contrast the view of Huck's "adventure" as a young white boy during the 1800rds with Jim's as a run away slave and his potential perspective of the same shared "adventure". To illustrate how Jim is likely to have perceived the same "adventure" the student could be directed to read an account of slavery by African American's of the same time period or during Jim Crow and then re-think or re-read the story from Jim's likely perspective with an eye toward how both he and Huck could share the same experience but see them in very different lights with very different potential outcomes.

What analysis can be made of both Huck's and Tom's characters and their interactions with Jim and the idea of his freedom? How does each of their characters reflect the society of the time as it related to a Black man like Jim?

Literally thousands of books have been written during that time, if not millions. I'm sure it's possible to find other books acceptable to get children into reading.

 

[SammyPops]

I sorta get Huck Finn given a certain characters name.... I've admittedly never read Of Mice and Men so why is that getting banned?

Really, on echaracter's name and a classic is a no-go?

Seems to me its a great oppertunity to teach kids not only the novel but the times in which thenovel was written.