Social Black Woman Blames White People For Racism In Asia

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Higus said:
It's more simple than that. The people she encountered probably got their biases about black people (women in particular) from western media portrayals. I think this is what she trying to say, but she did it in a way that was going to automatically disqualify her with a lot of, er, audiences that don't normally consume HuffPo.
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Couldn't be all their dealings with black people in Africa. Nope alt right white media poisoned China.
 
The US is one of the least racist countries in the world.

Time to get her facts straight

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It’s a pretty short (and unimpressive) article guys. It’s Vietnam and especially India that she is particularly complaining about.

So you can save the “all Asians are racist,” “Chinese” whatever else for a thread where it’s relevant.
 
That woman is sexxxy. Unfortunately, I am not man enough to please a woman like that in the bedroom. She needs more loving than I can give her. With that being said, I would still try my best if given an opportunity.
 
Higus said:
It's more simple than that. The people she encountered probably got their biases about black people (women in particular) from western media portrayals. I think this is what she trying to say, but she did it in a way that was going to automatically disqualify her with a lot of, er, audiences that don't normally consume HuffPo.
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It's certainly possible, but she'll need to prove it first. What I'm describing is not an unknown, or new, phenomenon in Asia:

"In East Asia, it’s not uncommon to find people fully-dressed on beaches, carrying umbrellas on sunny days, or wearing full face-covering masks in parks. Women in particular go to extreme lengths to achieve pale skin whether it’s through obsessive whitening skin care routines or melanin-reducing injections. But where did all of this come from?

Some western media outlets like to report that this desire to have clear, white skin is a reflection on East Asians wanting to look more European. However, these hypotheses barely scratch the surface when discussing the origin of the pale skin beauty standards.

In China, Japan and Korea – long before exposure to European beauty standards – tan skin was associated with lower-class field work while having pale skin signified social prestige.

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These beauty standards had an impact on food trends as well. During the Ming Dynasty (1368 – 1644 A.D.), Chinese medicine manuals recommended consuming certain foods to achieve lighter skin. Among some of these recipes were the “three white soup” which consisted of white peony root, white atractylodes, white tuckahoe and liquorice. A different, slightly stranger, remedy recommended swallowing pearls that had been ground up into powder.

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During the Nara period (710-794) and up until the Heian Period (794 – 1185), cosmetic products for skin whitening became closely associated with nobility. Women often applied liberal amounts of white powder, called oshiroi, to their faces which was also used by kabuki actors and geishas. During the Edo period (1603 – 1868) the beauty standards shifted slightly, and women began seeking a more natural-looking pale complexion

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K-pop idols and Korean actors are known for frequently lightening their skin color in photos, like many other celebrities across Asia. This preference for white, blemish-free skin dates back all the way to the Gojoseon Era (2333 B.C. – 108 A.D.) — the first dynasty in Korean history."

https://nextshark.com/east-asian-pale-skin-beauty-standard/

The author is a woman named Jin Hyun.

One of the subtle ways in which imperialism continues in stripping established cultures of their own cultural autonomy is by attributing everything to the influence Europe had on those culture - it is a good willing effort which results in stripping cultures of their own actual history and autonomy. Indian feminist Gayatri Spivak talks a bit about this in A Critique of Postcolonial Reason and hits the nail on the head, I think. It's an easy thing to do in our current cultural climate but it's something that is both lazy and, yes, itself imperialist. If this woman wants to argue this, she has a lot of work to prove that this is what is causing this rather than literally thousands of years of privileging lighter skin in Asia. As it stands, it's a bit insulting to these cultures for a foreigner to just waltz in, observe something that has thousands of years of history, and say "damned white people!" - even for the bad stuff. It's a sneaky for of Eurocentrism which it would be nice if progressive people tried to make themselves more aware of.
 
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Blood and Thunder said:
It's funny that the descendants of people that ended colonialism and slavery are the people that are getting the most hate. The hate is so extreme people want Sweden to happen to the entire Western world.

Colonialism and Slavery has been happening for thousands of years.
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You might be on to something. It doesn't really change that colonialism has a lot to answer for. You should write an op-ed on the subject.
 
Not A Theist said:
It's certainly possible, but you'll need to prove it first. What I'm describing is not an unknown, or new, phenomenon in Asia:

"In East Asia, it’s not uncommon to find people fully-dressed on beaches, carrying umbrellas on sunny days, or wearing full face-covering masks in parks. Women in particular go to extreme lengths to achieve pale skin whether it’s through obsessive whitening skin care routines or melanin-reducing injections. But where did all of this come from?

Some western media outlets like to report that this desire to have clear, white skin is a reflection on East Asians wanting to look more European. However, these hypotheses barely scratch the surface when discussing the origin of the pale skin beauty standards.

In China, Japan and Korea – long before exposure to European beauty standards – tan skin was associated with lower-class field work while having pale skin signified social prestige.

...

These beauty standards had an impact on food trends as well. During the Ming Dynasty (1368 – 1644 A.D.), Chinese medicine manuals recommended consuming certain foods to achieve lighter skin. Among some of these recipes were the “three white soup” which consisted of white peony root, white atractylodes, white tuckahoe and liquorice. A different, slightly stranger, remedy recommended swallowing pearls that had been ground up into powder.

...

During the Nara period (710-794) and up until the Heian Period (794 – 1185), cosmetic products for skin whitening became closely associated with nobility. Women often applied liberal amounts of white powder, called oshiroi, to their faces which was also used by kabuki actors and geishas. During the Edo period (1603 – 1868) the beauty standards shifted slightly, and women began seeking a more natural-looking pale complexion

...

K-pop idols and Korean actors are known for frequently lightening their skin color in photos, like many other celebrities across Asia. This preference for white, blemish-free skin dates back all the way to the Gojoseon Era (2333 B.C. – 108 A.D.) — the first dynasty in Korean history."

https://nextshark.com/east-asian-pale-skin-beauty-standard/

The author is a woman named Jin Hyun.

One of the subtle ways in which imperialism continues is stripping established cultures of their own cultural autonomy by attributing everything to the influence Europe had on those culture - it is a good willing effort which results in stripping cultures of their own actual history and autonomy. Indian feminist Gayatri Spivak talks a bit about this in A Critique of Postcolonial Reason and hits the nail on the head, I think. It's an easy thing to do in our current cultural climate but it's something both lazy and, yes, itself imperialist. If this woman wants to argue this, she has a lot of work to prove that this is what is causing this rather than literally thousands of years of privileging lighter skin in Asia.
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I don't have quantifiable proof, but anecdotally there is a noticeable differences in the way people in Asia react to black people compared to dark skinned SE Asians or other races. It's not just skin tone
 
Not A Theist said:
You might be on to something. It doesn't really change that colonialism has a lot to answer for. You should write an op-ed on the subject.
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White people answered for it by doing the world a favor and ending it. White people could have kept on going with a ruthless iron fist, never forgetting what other ethnic groups have done in the past.

Does the West need to be culturally changed and ethnically altered because we were the last ones to do it?

Why does Sweden have to be the punishment?
 
BehindTheShadows said:
Usually the ones who cry racism are the real racist
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I assume the female who wrote the opinion-piece has a white boyfriend. A lot of the race-baiting chicks who whine about white privilege have white boyfriends or husbands. Even Don Lemon is married to a white dude.
 
Higus said:
I don't have quantifiable proof, but anecdotally there is a noticeable differences in the way people in Asia react to black people compared to dark skinned SE Asians or other races. It's not just skin tone
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You and her both need to get quantifiable proof and put it on the table then.

This is a bit frustrating because I'm more than happy to consider that this is, in fact, the product of Western constructions of race, but to drop it anecdotally and without actual evidence is, again, a form of imperialism - that casual, incredibly arrogant assumption that "no, it's not your culture - even here it's allll white people." Gayatri Spivak is one of my favourite modern thinkers and she spends a fair bit of time talking about this, that imperialist and Eurocentric attitudes have simply subsumed into well-meaning progressive attitudes, as people who think they're some kind of white saviour waltz in and suggest that things which are distinctly non-European are European, seek to impose European notions of natural rights upon non-Europeans, and even locate colonialism as an exclusively European practice (that Blood and Thunder guy might be surprised that one one of the most prominent postcolonial feminist scholars writing right now actually agrees with him on that), etc etc. It's all a backhanded, well meaning way of erasing the history of the colonized, framing the colonized in terms of "good" and "progressive" Eurocentric structures, and putting a good face on a new form of overwriting Eurocentrism.
 
Blood and Thunder said:
White people answered for it by doing the world a favor and ending it. White people could have kept on going with a ruthless iron fist, never forgetting what other ethnic groups have done in the past.

Does the West need to be culturally changed and ethnically altered because we were the last ones to do it?

Why does Sweden have to be the punishment?
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Sweden is doing exactly what it wants to do. It says a lot that you seem to think "More brown people = punishment."
 
Not A Theist said:
You and her both need to get quantifiable proof and put it on the table then.

This is a bit frustrating because I'm more than happy to consider that this is, in fact, the product of Western constructions of race, but to drop it anecdotally and without actual evidence is, again, a form of imperialism. Gayatri Spivak is one of my favourite modern thinkers and she spends a fair bit of time talking about this, that imperialist and Eurocentric attitudes have simply subsumed into well-meaning progressive attitudes, as people who think they're some kind of white saviour waltz in and suggest that things which are distinctly non-European are European, seek to impose European notions of natural rights upon non-Europeans, and even locate colonialism as a practice as an exclusively European practice (that Blood and Thunder guy might be surprised that one one of the most prominent postcolonial feminist scholars writing right now actually agrees with him on that), etc etc. It's all a backhanded, well meaning way of erasing the history of the colonized, framing the colonized in terms of "good" and "progressive" Eurocentric structures, and putting a good face on a new form of overwriting Eurocentrism.
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I have no idea how I'm supposed to quantify racism, but I'm open to suggestions.
 
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