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Between those and soa you've got three examples. Compare that to an entire genre of music and what 100's of movies?
100S of movies glorifying white organized crime you mean? Because we have those. From The Godfather series to basically half of Scorsese's filmography the gangster is a common archetype and to pretend its unique to the black community is pretty silly.
And yes, those are all bad.
Maybe white people shouldn't glorify gangsters and criminals then...
 
I know all that but nonetheless RT critics seem really lenient on these Marvel movies. Jurassic Park has 4 rotten reviews compared to 0 for Black Panther :confused:

I still don't get the angle of calling it being "lenient". I just think that critics mostly say what they happen to think, and what they think doesn't matter when it comes to me having my own opinions.

Among my top rated films I have everything from a Chinese character drama about the wives of a wealthy man in 1920's China, to a Hollywood film about costumed people running around hitting things. I'm neither proud or embarrassed by any of them, I just like them and don't care what anyone else thinks about that.
 
I'm willing to bet that has less to do with a relationship between Marvel and RE and more to do with fear of being labeled racist.
Its not just BP that gets these ridiculously favorable reviews, many Marvel films have scores over 90%. BP stands out to me only because the top critics are usually more harsh than the general ones and I can't recall any other movie off the top of my head that has a 100% from the top critics.
 
100S of movies glorifying white organized crime you mean? Because we have those. From The Godfather series to basically half of Scorsese's filmography the gangster is a common archetype and to pretend its unique to the black community is pretty silly.

Maybe white people shouldn't glorify gangsters and criminals then...
I don't. And there aren't millions of people emulating that behaviour.
 
Its not just BP that gets these ridiculously favorable reviews, many Marvel films have scores over 90%. BP stands out to me only because the top critics are usually more harsh than the general ones and I can't recall any other movie off the top of my head that has a 100% from the top critics.
Right. But you also said itt that Xmen origins: wolverine is better than captain America: Civil War. So your objectivity on the subject is shot.
 
I still don't get the angle of calling it being "lenient". I just think that critics mostly say what they happen to think, and what they think doesn't matter when it comes to me having my own opinions.

Among my top rated films I have everything from a Chinese character drama about the wives of a wealthy man in 1920's China, to a Hollywood film about costumed people running around hitting things. I'm neither proud or embarrassed by any of them, I just like them and don't care what anyone else thinks about that.
I think critics get swept up in the hype as well and the hype becomes this self perpetuating mass that annoys the shit out of me when attached to average at best films.
I don't. And there aren't millions of people emulating that behaviour.
So both America at large and the black community specifically glorify the gangster lifestyle and yet its more prevalent in the black community. Its almost like there are other factors at play here...
 
Right. But you also said itt that Xmen origins: wolverine is better than captain America: Civil War. So your objectivity on the subject is shot.
I haven't actually seen Origins to be honest but Civil War is one of my least favorite films ever and one of the worst theater experiences I've had.
 
I think critics get swept up in the hype as well and the hype becomes this self perpetuating mass that annoys the shit out of me when attached to average at best films.

Then we're back to being pretentious, trying to put one's opinions on entirely subjective things as better than those of others. I don't really care much about either, but I'd put pretentiousness about film as more annoying than people being caught up in the hype of things.
 
Then we're back to being pretentious, trying to put one's opinions on entirely subjective things as better than those of others. I don't really care much about either, but I'd put pretentiousness about film as more annoying than people being caught up in the hype of things.
Okay, then piss off.
 
I still don't get the angle of calling it being "lenient". I just think that critics mostly say what they happen to think, and what they think doesn't matter when it comes to me having my own opinions.

Among my top rated films I have everything from a Chinese character drama about the wives of a wealthy man in 1920's China, to a Hollywood film about costumed people running around hitting things. I'm neither proud or embarrassed by any of them, I just like them and don't care what anyone else thinks about that.

If you're a critic, which usually means it's your job to critique something.. If your opinions are falling in line with political agendas or the common public more often than not then you need to take a look at yourself because you're providing nothing that the layman couldn't. You should be able to break down what they did objectively and subjectively well. If you go and read some negative reviews for Blade Runner 2049 they aren't actually critical of anything objective in the story. Usually it revolves around K being bland (which is objectively his role in the movie) or they didn't realize that the story isn't supposed to be action driven. Or in the positive reviews it's just parroting some online discussion bullshit and not realizing the subtleties of character development. It's not close to being a perfect film, some of the dialogue was unnecessary and contributed nothing to the story in the long run. But you don't see that stuff in these reviews.

Critics do ultimately care if people like their opinions, because the more followers are readers you have the more money you'll generate. Giving valid criticism in 2018 isn't worth as much as giving criticism that people want to hear.
 
I think I get why film reviews annoy you if you're that sensitive about a constructive discussion.
Constructive discussion? You imply I'm pretentious in a roundabout way and then expect some sort of thoughtful response in return?

Go pound salt.
 
If you're a critic, which usually means it's your job to critique something.. If your opinions are falling in line with political agendas or the common public more often than not then you need to take a look at yourself because you're providing nothing that the layman couldn't. You should be able to break down what they did objectively and subjectively well. If you go and read some negative reviews for Blade Runner 2049 they aren't actually critical of anything objective in the story. Usually it revolves around K being bland (which is objectively his role in the movie) or they didn't realize that the story isn't supposed to be action driven. Or in the positive reviews it's just parroting some online discussion bullshit and not realizing the subtleties of character development. It's not close to being a perfect film, some of the dialogue was unnecessary and contributed nothing to the story in the long run. But you don't see that stuff in these reviews.

Critics do ultimately care if people like their opinions, because the more followers are readers you have the more money you'll generate. Giving valid criticism in 2018 isn't worth as much as giving criticism that people want to hear.

A critic just needs to break down why they liked something and why they didn't like something else so the reader/viewer can understand it and put it in relation to his own preferences. There's nothing objective about the quality of film, so they only thing you can objectively do is just describe things that are there. Critics aren't just people employed by fancy outlets either, it ranges from that to schmoes on Youtube.

Of course you get more hits if you're popular, but looking at the highest earners in recent film history (recent, as I'm not doing adjusted) there's certainly not all super high reviewed films.

A high RT score just makes it more likely to at least like something as that film has catered to a wide array of critics. For a more detailed recommendation it's far better to find a critic that you like (whether it's due to similar taste, or that you get a lot out how he explains things) and go by that.
 
Constructive discussion? You imply I'm pretentious in a roundabout way and then expect some sort of thoughtful response in return?

Go pound salt.

Putting one's own opinions about subjective things like film above those of others is pretentious behavior, and I have to point that out when I talk about what I think are constructive ways to go about the issue. You had all the opportunity to say why that wasn't what you were doing, or just disagreeing with my assessment, but you instead apparently got offended. That seems a bit sensitive to me.

I also personally don't see the point in being annoyed by which films critics praise, unless you try to find some objective things to support your own opinions (which is completely pointless) and wanted the support of the critics.
 
We all know why there are no negaticr reviews of black panther . All films get bad reviews, even the best films get bad reviews. The only reason there are no bad reviews is because anyone who says anything bad about a silly superhero movie will be branded racist.
 
Between those and soa you've got three examples. Compare that to an entire genre of music and what 100's of movies?

And yes, those are all bad.

There's a lot more romanticism of 1% than just SOA. Mafia in the movies and TV is not a rare phenomena. Outlaws have been romanticized in American cinema for decades.

Hells Angels members are part of the cast of SOA. Former members like Chuck Zito are Z list celebs; although calling Zito a z-lister might be too kind. What popular major TV series has current Black gang members as cast?
 
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So both America at large and the black community specifically glorify the gangster lifestyle and yet its more prevalent in the black community. Its almost like there are other factors at play here...
Other factors like Hollywood and record labels preying on that? I agree. But there is a difference between consuming something for entertainment and it being a blueprint for a subculture.
 
Who here actually cares about Rotten Tomatoes reviews? Or for that matter any critic's opinion?

I watch movies if it looks appealing, based on a synopsis of the movie and trailers. Usually I have been right on pre-judging a movie.
 
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