Television Black Hawk Down docu on Netflix

[pugilistico]

Anybody check this out?


None of the info is really that new if you read the book and watched the movie, although it sheds more light on the Somali perspective. It's a bit too dramatized imo which is par for the course in these kind of documentaries I suppose.

Still an interesting watch nonetheless, especially the interviews from the actual guys who were there. They even got one of the former Delta guys on show.

What struck me was a couple of the Rangers basically admitting they fired on civilians and might have killed women and children who weren't combatants.

The Somali interviews were interesting and to see why they hated the US and were motivated to fight. To me showed how intervention can bite you in the ass even if you have good intentions. Aidid ended up getting wacked a couple years later anyway so it was all pointless.

The most interesting person was the Somali guy with the camera who filmed everything. He seemed to have the most balanced perspective.

Wanted to add that I wasn't that sympathetic to some of the Somali perspectives. They were mad that people got killed by Americans but people were already starving to death because Aidid was stealing UN food supplies. Not to mention they were using child soldiers. They don't blame their own leaders who got them into that mess. Not to mention they don't know how many Somalis died from Somalis firing everywhere.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

What struck me was a couple of the Rangers basically admitting they fired on civilians and might have killed women and children who weren't combatants.

Not uncommon when the combatants are dressed as civilians and blending in with civilians.

We've lived under the delusion in modern PC culture that battles can be won with 'minimal civilian casualties.' In reality thats just a stated goal for the cameras and propaganda. It was very common in chaotic situations like Black Hawk Down for there to be more civilian casualties than combatant confirmed kills.
Because enemy combatants aren't wearing uniforms.

And it's very common for 'children' to be combatants. Can't check for IDs before shooting someone in a warzone, just got to shoot the ones shooting at you and hope they're 18.

 

[Pliny Pete]

Holy moley did the soldiers look like dorks when they were teenagers, especially the dude with the weird chin

 

[Protectandserve]

It’s in my list to watch it. When I was deployed a neighboring base had a SgtMaj that had been through the Blackhawk Down incident.

They said he had the most fucking ammo in his vehicle. Like an absurd amount because he was like, I’ll never run out of fucking ammo again.

 

[koquerelle]

I haven't watched that doc. I watched another one. The book is fantastic. The Somali perspective was such an eye opener for me.

Gary Gordon and Randall Shughart are 2 of ballsiest men I've ever read about. They knew there was a 99% chance they would die when they went down to protect the pilot. They still decided to do it because it was the right thing to do.

No steroid muscles. No bad ass faces. These 2 bad mofos looked like the cool uncle you like. I might misremember, but I think they took down more than 300 targets.

 

[Osculater]

I haven't watched that doc. I watched another one. The book is fantastic. The Somali perspective was such an eye opener for me.

Gary Gordon and Randall Shughart are 2 of ballsiest men I've ever read about. They knew there was a 99% chance they would die when they went down to protect the pilot. They still decided to do it because it was the right thing to do.

No steroid muscles. No bad ass faces. These 2 bad mofos looked like the cool uncle you like. I might misremember, but I think they took down more than 300 targets.

I only know about them because of the movie "Black Hawk Down".

 

[koquerelle]

I only know about them because of the movie "Black Hawk Down".

I love the movie, but it's almost a work of fiction, like every movie based on real events.

I don't know if you like to read, but Bowden's book on the events is awesome.

You see how the conflict started. You see why the Somalis (even peaceful ones) were so mad. You see the desperation some US soldiers felt. It's a great read.

 

[Osculater]

I love the movie, but it's almost a work of fiction, like every movie based on real events.

I don't know if you like to read, but Bowden's book on the events is awesome.

You see how the conflict started. You see why the Somalis (even peaceful ones) were so mad. You see the desperation some US soldiers felt. It's a great read.

I'll check it out on audio book

 

[koquerelle]

I'll check it out on audio book

Nothing wrong with audiobooks.

Give it a shot. It's a great book.

 

[Thrawn33]

I love the movie, but it's almost a work of fiction, like every movie based on real events.

I don't know if you like to read, but Bowden's book on the events is awesome.

You see how the conflict started. You see why the Somalis (even peaceful ones) were so mad. You see the desperation some US soldiers felt. It's a great read.

Loved that book.

The movie definitely combined the experiences of multiple people into a few characters and played up some things for the movie.

BHD is still one of my GOAT war movies though

 

[Fedorgasm]

Anybody check this out?


None of the info is really that new if you read the book and watched the movie, although it sheds more light on the Somali perspective. It's a bit too dramatized imo which is par for the course in these kind of documentaries I suppose.

Still an interesting watch nonetheless, especially the interviews from the actual guys who were there. They even got one of the former Delta guys on show.

What struck me was a couple of the Rangers basically admitting they fired on civilians and might have killed women and children who weren't combatants.

The Somali interviews were interesting and to see why they hated the US and were motivated to fight. To me showed how intervention can bite you in the ass even if you have good intentions. Aidid ended up getting wacked a couple years later anyway so it was all pointless.

The most interesting person was the Somali guy with the camera who filmed everything. He seemed to have the most balanced perspective.

Wanted to add that I wasn't that sympathetic to some of the Somali perspectives. They were mad that people got killed by Americans but people were already starving to death because Aidid was stealing UN food supplies. Not to mention they were using child soldiers. They don't blame their own leaders who got them into that mess. Not to mention they don't know how many Somalis died from Somalis firing everywhere.

Completely agree with you on the Somali perspectives.

They came off as a bunch of whiny bitches, other than the camera guy.

And yes the soldiers had to return fire into a crowd, but if 5 dudes are shooting at U.S. soldiers, maybe you shouldn't crowd around those 5 dudes. Fucking morons.

 

[plataoplombo]

Just finished watching it. Always interesting hearing the opposing side's point of view.

 

[Fedorgasm]

Sometimes I wish I were black so when a chick does something unattractive I could shout "black hawk down!"

Like I could be on a date with a beautiful woman but then she says, "I've been using these healing crystals and it really helps my fibromyalgia."

And I'd just yell "Black hawk down! Black hawk down!" as I ran out of the restaurant.

 

[Osculater]

Sometimes I wish I were black so when a chick does something unattractive I could shout "black hawk down!"

Like I could be on a date with a beautiful woman but then she says, "I've been using these healing crystals and it really helps my fibromyalgia."

And I'd just yell "Black hawk down! Black hawk down!" as I ran out of the restaurant.

You can still say it

 

[I Am Legion]

I loved it. I worked for the Dept of The Navy when this was going down. We met some Marines when they got back, as well as some Rangers. They were my age and it put so much perspective in my life. As for the doc, the thing that strikes me is how everyone describes the number of bullets coming at them for the entire time. They all said like bees, bees nests exploding everywhere. Basically, the local population that was war torn and starving, took all of their anger and blamed the American Soldiers. They were brainwashed by their warlord that caused it all. They had the numbers, the weapons, the tactical advantage knowing the city. Every possible way they had a leg up. True amazing soldiers showing valor and brotherhood. TS mentioned Aidid was killed a short time later anyway. There is still a civil war blazing all these years later. At any time the US could have leveled the HQ of Aidid and probably saved more future lives in the process. 500k dead from war. Another million from hunger. Another 2-3m refugees. Total shitshow.

 

[Thrawn33]

Finally caught it.

It's was OK, the camcorder footage was new to me.