BJ Penn's is the luckiest fighter in MMA's history

Depends on what you mean by overrated.
They are both were great fighters at some point,and if you actually win the title shots,then you cant really complain too much.

yeah, i definitely agree that they were great during certain times during their careers. my main point is simply to say that if others were given the same title-shot chances as they did, you would see lots of other guys being lauded the way they are.
 
yeah, i definitely agree that they were great during certain times during their careers. my main point is simply to say that if others were given the same title-shot chances as they did, you would see lots of other guys being lauded the way they are.
Yes but life isnt fair,and you cant always hand title shots out. At least bj,amd couture were able to justify to an extent the ones they were given.
 
Penn was very talented though. Beating prime Diego that badly was really something. Diego was on fire and Penn took his soul. and Hughes 1 at WW. Sean Sherk was absolutely not a scrub at the time either.

and I don't even LIke Penn.
Diego on fire is a bit of a stretch... He has 2 decent wins in a row with 2 scrubs prior to that in a row. His title shot came off a split decision win over Clay Guida, who funny enough just beat Penn recently.....

One of the biggest drop offs of any top fighters I've ever seen.
 

BJ Penn was gifted 7 title shots with 15-7 recorded at the time


He got his first title shot with a 3-0 MMA record against Jens Pulver and he lost that fight
He got his 2nd title shot with a 5-1-1 MMA record and also failed to win it
his 3rd title shot with 12-4-1 MMA record and he won Won the vacant UFC Lightweight Championship. against Joe Stevenson.

that's already 3 title shots with 12-4 MMA records, Tony Ferguson is 26-3 (16-1 in UFC) and still hasn't got a title shot yet, even though Tony has better wins at LW, the LW division back then had like 9 fighters and was removed from the UFC for a Period compared to 100+ in current LW.

BJ Penn's best win at LW:
Sean Sherk
Kenny Florian
Diego Sanchez

how is that a better resume than Poirier's:

Max Holloway
Eddie Alvarez
Justin Gaethje
Anthony Pettis

or Tony:

Donald Cerrone
Anthony Pettis
Kevin Lee
Rafael dos Anjos
Edson Barboza

or Khabib:

Conor McGregor
Edson Barboza
Al Iaquinta
Rafael dos Anjos
Michael Johnson

or RDA:

Kevin Lee
Donald Cerrone
Donald Cerrone
Anthony Pettis
Nate Diaz
Benson Henderson
Robbie Lawler

RDA, Poirier, Ferguson, and Nurmagomedove all of them have better wins at LW and better records than BJ

a piece of metal doesn't determine greatness


????

The only thing i agree with is tony should be next for a title..after that this is RETARDED
 
BJ gave GSP a run for his money in the first fight. No doubt he had talent at one point.
 
Sure they would have. The improved training and increased fight iq would have likely been relative. You don't just plunk somebody from 20 years ago into the modern game and make a dubious claim that they couldn't compete. You gotta apply all the intangibles.
BJ lacks the willpower to train adequately and always did. It was never about skill in regards to his failures. He only looked good beating the shit out of people. Khabib and tony are made from different cloth. Have BJ train and acclimate to any era you’d like, Khabib breaks him.
 

BJ Penn was gifted 7 title shots with 15-7 recorded at the time


He got his first title shot with a 3-0 MMA record against Jens Pulver and he lost that fight
He got his 2nd title shot with a 5-1-1 MMA record and also failed to win it
his 3rd title shot with 12-4-1 MMA record and he won Won the vacant UFC Lightweight Championship. against Joe Stevenson.

that's already 3 title shots with 12-4 MMA records, Tony Ferguson is 26-3 (16-1 in UFC) and still hasn't got a title shot yet, even though Tony has better wins at LW, the LW division back then had like 9 fighters and was removed from the UFC for a Period compared to 100+ in current LW.

BJ Penn's best win at LW:
Sean Sherk
Kenny Florian
Diego Sanchez

how is that a better resume than Poirier's:

Max Holloway
Eddie Alvarez
Justin Gaethje
Anthony Pettis

or Tony:

Donald Cerrone
Anthony Pettis
Kevin Lee
Rafael dos Anjos
Edson Barboza

or Khabib:

Conor McGregor
Edson Barboza
Al Iaquinta
Rafael dos Anjos
Michael Johnson

or RDA:

Kevin Lee
Donald Cerrone
Donald Cerrone
Anthony Pettis
Nate Diaz
Benson Henderson
Robbie Lawler

RDA, Poirier, Ferguson, and Nurmagomedove all of them have better wins at LW and better records than BJ

a piece of metal doesn't determine greatness
Wow you know how to use Wikipedia, good for you. Clearly you started watching MMA in 2018. You have no idea what you're talking about because you didn't watch the sport during that time era. Your opinion is based off of reading Wikipedia and all the facts are taken out of context. Hi baby
 
It's just sad to see when educated fans insist on shitting on legends. I'm not saying that Penn is the best lightweight ever, but he wiped out the best of the best in his time, before he ran into Edgar. He smoked Hughes who was basically unbeatable at the time, and he gave GSP hell. That doesn't go away just because he continued for waaay too long. I'm sure Penn is hurting his legacy, which is a shame, but he can't destroy it. RJJ kept taking losses until pretty recently in boxing, but still, nobody could touch that man in his day. :rolleyes:

RDA had an amazing run, and what Tony and Khabib are doing right now are truly historic, because the sport has gotten so much better with time. Their streaks are so impressive exactly because everything has evolved. So, last man standing between the elite lightweights right now should take the GOAT claim, but let's wait with all that talk until the dust has settled. Poirier is doing some amazing shit of his own. He's for sure the underdog with Khabib, but I wouldn't count him out. This is just a great time as a fan, because the sport is much better than 10 years ago. Let's celebrate that instead of shitting on the legends who paved the way.
 
BJ lacks the willpower to train adequately and always did. It was never about skill in regards to his failures. He only looked good beating the shit out of people. Khabib and tony are made from different cloth. Have BJ train and acclimate to any era you’d like, Khabib breaks him.
Disagree. Prime Penn had all the tools to deal with Khabib. Not saying a guaranteed win, but very doable.
 
Diego on fire is a bit of a stretch... He has 2 decent wins in a row with 2 scrubs prior to that in a row. His title shot came off a split decision win over Clay Guida, who funny enough just beat Penn recently.....

One of the biggest drop offs of any top fighters I've ever seen.

god I hate Guida. I bet I watched that fight but then successfully erased it I have no idea how it went down.

yeah it was always gonna be a big drop down at the end of Penns career. he's a spoiled bitch boy that didn't train properly.

Diego was fucking good though. For him to get dominated like that was something. There was a time when he was no joke. Plus his jiujitsu is elite level he even decisioned marcelo garcia once in adcc. he lost like everyone but he had a great match.
 

BJ Penn was gifted 7 title shots with 15-7 recorded at the time


He got his first title shot with a 3-0 MMA record against Jens Pulver and he lost that fight
He got his 2nd title shot with a 5-1-1 MMA record and also failed to win it
his 3rd title shot with 12-4-1 MMA record and he won Won the vacant UFC Lightweight Championship. against Joe Stevenson.

that's already 3 title shots with 12-4 MMA records, Tony Ferguson is 26-3 (16-1 in UFC) and still hasn't got a title shot yet, even though Tony has better wins at LW, the LW division back then had like 9 fighters and was removed from the UFC for a Period compared to 100+ in current LW.

BJ Penn's best win at LW:
Sean Sherk
Kenny Florian
Diego Sanchez

how is that a better resume than Poirier's:

Max Holloway
Eddie Alvarez
Justin Gaethje
Anthony Pettis

or Tony:

Donald Cerrone
Anthony Pettis
Kevin Lee
Rafael dos Anjos
Edson Barboza

or Khabib:

Conor McGregor
Edson Barboza
Al Iaquinta
Rafael dos Anjos
Michael Johnson

or RDA:

Kevin Lee
Donald Cerrone
Donald Cerrone
Anthony Pettis
Nate Diaz
Benson Henderson
Robbie Lawler

RDA, Poirier, Ferguson, and Nurmagomedove all of them have better wins at LW and better records than BJ

a piece of metal doesn't determine greatness

Most Recent BJ Photo - He still has great ground and top game for taking on a bouncer at a strip club at 3 am!
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bj penn is like randy couture. overrated due to undeserved title-shots, with terrible fight records.
not really Randy won the UFC title by beating Mo Smith vacated it to fight in Japan came back beat Randleman lost it to Barnett in a fight that would've been a NC now a days then fought for the vacant title vs Ricco. He then dropped to LHW and was ment to be a gimme fight for Liddell but wasn't and pretty much forced the fight with Tito then the Belfort fights happened and the rematches with Liddell. The only undeserved title fight Randy got was vs Sylvia in which he won. As for Penn maybe the first and second Hughes fights the LW fights though he was the top LW when he decided to just to WW so that fight for the vacant title with Stevenson not a big deal.
 
didnt penn also impregnate a 19 year old lol

is that the same girl who got a restraining order against him?
 

BJ Penn was gifted 7 title shots with 15-7 recorded at the time


He got his first title shot with a 3-0 MMA record against Jens Pulver and he lost that fight
He got his 2nd title shot with a 5-1-1 MMA record and also failed to win it
his 3rd title shot with 12-4-1 MMA record and he won Won the vacant UFC Lightweight Championship. against Joe Stevenson.

that's already 3 title shots with 12-4 MMA records, Tony Ferguson is 26-3 (16-1 in UFC) and still hasn't got a title shot yet, even though Tony has better wins at LW, the LW division back then had like 9 fighters and was removed from the UFC for a Period compared to 100+ in current LW.

BJ Penn's best win at LW:
Sean Sherk
Kenny Florian
Diego Sanchez

how is that a better resume than Poirier's:

Max Holloway
Eddie Alvarez
Justin Gaethje
Anthony Pettis

or Tony:

Donald Cerrone
Anthony Pettis
Kevin Lee
Rafael dos Anjos
Edson Barboza

or Khabib:

Conor McGregor
Edson Barboza
Al Iaquinta
Rafael dos Anjos
Michael Johnson

or RDA:

Kevin Lee
Donald Cerrone
Donald Cerrone
Anthony Pettis
Nate Diaz
Benson Henderson
Robbie Lawler

RDA, Poirier, Ferguson, and Nurmagomedove all of them have better wins at LW and better records than BJ

a piece of metal doesn't determine greatness
He is great. He won that second fight against Uno but got a shitty deal and moving up weight class to fight the best. Give your head a shake. He is at the tail end of his career so I agree he needs to hang em up but to say he is lucky? Give your head a shake bud
 
Uh oh don't insult BJ Penn dude

Bunch of people gonna tell you that "YoU wErEnT aRoUnD wHeN hE wAs WinNiNg YoU jUsT dOnT gEt It DuDe" and that you're a casual
You got it right bud. Exactly
 
Here's some names you missed on the list:
Din Thomas (12-1 before he lost to BJ) --> BJ was 1-0 going into the fight
Caol Uno (13-4-2 and ranked #2 LW in the world before he lost to BJ) --> BJ was 2-0 going into the fight
Takanori Gomi (14-1 and ranked consensus #5 LW in the world after being dropped from #1 due to an upset loss to Hansen) --> BJ was 5-1-1
Duane Ludwig (10-2 and ranked #2 LW in the world before he lost to BJ) --> BJ was 8-1-1

I'm not even that big a Penn fan but Penn fought and beat killers back in his day
 
It's just sad to see when educated fans insist on shitting on legends. I'm not saying that Penn is the best lightweight ever, but he wiped out the best of the best in his time, before he ran into Edgar. He smoked Hughes who was basically unbeatable at the time, and he gave GSP hell. That doesn't go away just because he continued for waaay too long. I'm sure Penn is hurting his legacy, which is a shame, but he can't destroy it. RJJ kept taking losses until pretty recently in boxing, but still, nobody could touch that man in his day. :rolleyes:

RDA had an amazing run, and what Tony and Khabib are doing right now are truly historic, because the sport has gotten so much better with time. Their streaks are so impressive exactly because everything has evolved. So, last man standing between the elite lightweights right now should take the GOAT claim, but let's wait with all that talk until the dust has settled. Poirier is doing some amazing shit of his own. He's for sure the underdog with Khabib, but I wouldn't count him out. This is just a great time as a fan, because the sport is much better than 10 years ago. Let's celebrate that instead of shitting on the legends who paved the way.


Agreed.

It’s harder to blaze a trail than to follow in another’s footsteps.
 
Disagree. Prime Penn had all the tools to deal with Khabib. Not saying a guaranteed win, but very doable.
It would certainly be the biggest feather in the cap of Penn. he never beat anyone as good as Khabib.

Hughes was probably his best win.
 
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