BJ Penn and Randy Couture Overrated?

Both would get destroyed by current top fighters of their divisions.So yes,kinda

But depends on how you "rate" them really. I mean if the majority considers BJ top10 GOAT,yes he is heavily overrated

This makes no sense. Wtf does current fighters have to do with them being overrated? They fought the best of their time, won a lot of those fights, and won titles in two divisions. Yes they would lose to todays top fighters.That is completely irrelevent though.
 
Great for their time. Just like Fedor was great for his time, now he wouldn't even be top 5.

...and in the future, fighters of today will be overshadowed by future talent. In the evolution of combat, fighters will keep becoming even more well-rounded.

Time, how does it work?!

Prime Fedor would definitely still be in the top 5 now. Arlovski is ranked like 5th now? Fedor starched him when they were both in their prime.
 
Prime Fedor would definitely still be in the top 5 now. Arlovski is ranked like 5th now? Fedor starched him when they were both in their prime.

The same AA that's been starched many times before he faced Fedor?
 
The same AA that's been starched many times before he faced Fedor?

The same Arlovski that was ranked #2 in the world at the time and was on a 5 fight win streak and at the absolute peak of his powers.
 
The same Arlovski that was ranked #2 in the world at the time and was on a 5 fight win streak and at the absolute peak of his powers.

AA was a UFC reject at the time. Ranked high off of then fringe top ten competition. Still a ex-champion and good win for Fedor.

I'm not here to argue about Fedor's legacy. He's IRRELEVANT now. Right now he wouldn't even be top 5. To argue that would be pure fantasy speculation.
 
AA was a UFC reject at the time. Ranked high off of then fringe top ten competition. Still a ex-champion and good win for Fedor.

I'm not here to argue about Fedor's legacy. He's IRRELEVANT now. Right now he wouldn't even be top 5. To argue that would be pure fantasy speculation.

Arlovski wasn't a UFC reject, he left the UFC by choice on a three fight win streak.
 
Randy and BJ show records don't mean shit.

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Arlovski wasn't a UFC reject, he left the UFC by choice on a three fight win streak.

Then he tried to get back later and was rejected. But your right, that was after he lost 3 straight after the Fedor knockout. I just saw him as 3rd rate. I'm glad he's back in the UFC now making another epic title run.
 
I wouldn't say they are overrated.

The reason is the number of major victories each fighter collected in their career. Also loses don't always look the same. In some cases a loss that came in a competitive fight may be more impressive than a win.

Also note that many fighters go through losing streaks in mma. I don't think it is as easy in mma to accrue a big record than boxing if a fighter ever jumps to a major organization.

Perhaps Randy didn't always deserve the fights he got, but he won enough big fights that I would say he is one of the greatest HW's of all time. Don't get me wrong, I agree the ability to stay in a winning way matters in a fighters legacy. However, I also think being able to bounce back and win a big fight when you are the underdog can factor in too.

I think BJ may also be the greatest LW of all time period.

Otherwise you would probably go with Takanori Gomi who had the most impressive win streak of any title fighter in a major organization to date.
However, notice .... BJ beat Takanori Gomi when both fighters were "in their primes".

Some fighters are constantly given big fights, and so they don't pick up the rebuilding victories that others do.

BJ is possibly my favorite, or the fighter I most respected of all time. He had such amazing skills. I don't know if he is still in the GOAT category after losing those fights to the WW GOAT, when you have the amazing runs of Anderson, Fedor, GSP, and JBJ. He lost to Edgar, but Anderson also lost to Weidman, Fedor also lost to Werdum, and those other guys left early.

However, BJ is as good of a pure mixed martial artist as any fighter who has ever competed in the sport!
 
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a couple times a year some idiot starts a thread about the records of Randy and BJ. Like they just recently found out who they were. If you use the search function there are a couple hundred threads on this. Your "idea" is not original
 
No they're not overrated. Randy was a pioneer of various MMA styles like wrestlebox USA and wall&stall. He was a pioneer of making nutrition, and S&C (and yes, trt) part of the game while guys like Lidell were pounding beer and snorting coke. It's a shame he came into the game so late, but that's part of his story. Part of what makes him great.

BJ was also ahead of his time and before athleticism became a factor, he was a phenom.

Their records are only tarnished because mma evolved rapidly and they racked up loss streaks toward the end of their careers. But overall, their primes were marvelous and they deserve to be inducted. They're legends. Anyone who doubts it is likely dumber than a TUF noob.
 
MMA is a lot of things and different people put emphasis on certain things so it's difficult to be objective with MMA as a whole. Records and rankings are one thing, spectacle and fighting with the warrior spirit is another.

We now have the luxury of hindsight to ask questions of how good certain fighters were and, in many cases, it's fair to use hindsight to talk about things. But for a new fan to look at Sakuraba's record now and assess him would be missing A LOT about his greatness.

With that said, I think given the context of the time, the era, the competition, the climate of the sport, etc, both Randy and BJ deserve to be considered great.
 
I wouldn't say they are overrated.

The reason is the number of major victories each fighter collected in their career. Also loses don't always look the same. In some cases a loss that came in a competitive fight may be more impressive than a win.

Also note that many fighters go through losing streaks in mma. I don't think it is as easy in mma to accrue a big record than boxing if a fighter ever jumps to a major organization.

Perhaps Randy didn't always deserve the fights he got, but he won enough big fights that I would say he is one of the greatest HW's of all time. Don't get me wrong, I agree the ability to stay in a winning way matters in a fighters legacy. However, I also think being able to bounce back and win a big fight when you are the underdog can factor in too.

I think BJ may also be the greatest LW of all time period.

Otherwise you would probably go with Takanori Gomi who had the most impressive win streak of any title fighter in a major organization to date.
However, notice .... BJ beat Takanori Gomi when both fighters were "in their primes".

Some fighters are constantly given big fights, and so they don't pick up the rebuilding victories that others do.

BJ is possibly my favorite, or the fighter I most respected of all time. He had such amazing skills. I don't know if he is still in the GOAT category after losing those fights to Edgar, when you have the amazing runs of Anderson, Fedor, GSP, and JBJ.

However, BJ is as good of a pure mixed martial artist as any fighter who has ever competed in the sport!

Good post
 
wikipedia fans of mma say some seriously dumb shit
 
Couture is the most overrated fighter of all times. It is a joke that he is so highly touted. BJ on the other hand seems to have difficulty with the mental aspect of the game. In my opinion, BJ, Mir, and Cro Cop ALL have issues with the mental aspect of the game, and can lose even if they are more skilled than their opponents......
 
Overrated compared to whom? Who... whom..
 
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