BJ Penn and Randy Couture Overrated?
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i love how you think this is some new thought process and isnt something constantly brought up about their career, over and over
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Do tell on how Couture is overrated. I'd love to read it. You mean the guy that fought the best and the majority of them being championship fights? The same guy who beat a prime ricco 2x, beat a chuck liddel in his 40s when he looked unstoppable? Or you the old man who came out of retirement to destroy tim sylvia when noone could stop his jab and run method? Oh getting your ass beat by a juiced top 5 Josh barnett is a big blemish. Yeah beating a prime vitor belfort and beating up a prime tito wasn't shit either.
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This guy here got Randy covered ^^^.
Thing about BJ is that he was 1-5-1 in his last 7 fights. He had a very good record before that with losses only against Pulver (who he faced in a championship bout in only his fourth fight), GSP (x2), Hughes (who he beat the first time out), and Machida (who he fought at heavyweight).
When a guy fights too long and drops a bunch of fights at the end of his career, it does hurt his legacy, somewhat, but we don't tend to let it completely erase what he did earlier in his career.
Thing about BJ is that he was 1-5-1 in his last 7 fights. He had a very good record before that with losses only against Pulver (who he faced in a championship bout in only his fourth fight), GSP (x2), Hughes (who he beat the first time out), and Machida (who he fought at heavyweight).
When a guy fights too long and drops a bunch of fights at the end of his career, it does hurt his legacy, somewhat, but we don't tend to let it completely erase what he did earlier in his career.
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So Royce Gracie is at worst top3 GOAT ?
BJ fought better competition than Fedor. And it
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Goats don't get caught roiding.
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I have never like BJ Penn. but this here is the correct answer. Context is everything.
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This sentiment is pure poison. It is why we have such shit events all the time. It is why fighters pull out on a constant basis and many of them refuse to fight at anything less than 100%. This perception is why Floyd Mayweather will never have an exciting fight and why 5 million people will pay $100 for a crap PPV. It is the same reason why Aldo always pulls out, why GSP vs Silva never was and why us fans are blue balled on a weekly basis.
Fighters realize fans are idiots and that they will no longer support said fighters brand if the fighter takes a risky fight and loses. Said fighter will be labeled a can, even if he/she fights injured, on short notice, out of weight class as the majority of "UFC fans" will jump ship and no longer support the fighter. Many modern fighter is afraid to push themselves like a BJ Penn, like a Randy, and they take tailor made match ups, do PED's and cut massive amount of weight to gain an advantage and pad dat record.
This sentiment is the reason why guys like Julio Cesar Neves have records of 30-0 and lose at the first sign of mediocre competition. This perception has absolutely no place in this, the greatest sport in the world. This perception is for people who measure their worth by the number of their twitter followers, who measure quality of art by number of youtube views and who appreciate appearance over content.
The days of John Wayne are gone, the days where a man was measured by how many time he got up, not how many he has fallen down. We crucify those who give us what we actually want, those who give it their best effort and put their life on the line so that we may enjoy life more. The modern hero is now a ridiculously privileged man that has tits plastered onto his body above the actual woman that lives underprivileged so that her children may have a better life.
So no, BJ and Randy are both underrated and under appreciated. Everyone's day comes, and that window of dominance is usually very short owing the the highly evolving nature of the game. Both these competitors adapted and had years of dominance, taking on all comers and not afraid to take fights simply because there was a good chance they would lose. In fact, prime BJ Penn is probably the greatest P4P fighter the world has yet seen and sadly he has been crucified for the same reasons we celebrate GSP: he was willing to compete at a disadvantage.
Fighters realize fans are idiots and that they will no longer support said fighters brand if the fighter takes a risky fight and loses. Said fighter will be labeled a can, even if he/she fights injured, on short notice, out of weight class as the majority of "UFC fans" will jump ship and no longer support the fighter. Many modern fighter is afraid to push themselves like a BJ Penn, like a Randy, and they take tailor made match ups, do PED's and cut massive amount of weight to gain an advantage and pad dat record.
This sentiment is the reason why guys like Julio Cesar Neves have records of 30-0 and lose at the first sign of mediocre competition. This perception has absolutely no place in this, the greatest sport in the world. This perception is for people who measure their worth by the number of their twitter followers, who measure quality of art by number of youtube views and who appreciate appearance over content.
The days of John Wayne are gone, the days where a man was measured by how many time he got up, not how many he has fallen down. We crucify those who give us what we actually want, those who give it their best effort and put their life on the line so that we may enjoy life more. The modern hero is now a ridiculously privileged man that has tits plastered onto his body above the actual woman that lives underprivileged so that her children may have a better life.
So no, BJ and Randy are both underrated and under appreciated. Everyone's day comes, and that window of dominance is usually very short owing the the highly evolving nature of the game. Both these competitors adapted and had years of dominance, taking on all comers and not afraid to take fights simply because there was a good chance they would lose. In fact, prime BJ Penn is probably the greatest P4P fighter the world has yet seen and sadly he has been crucified for the same reasons we celebrate GSP: he was willing to compete at a disadvantage.
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Randy's two division championships don't really mean that much since he wasn't the consensus #1 fighter in either of them. That's not the case with BJ though, he's a straight up legend.
most guys these days pad there records with at least 10 wins against nobodies
BJ and Randy fought their entire careers in the UFC and fought the best guys in two divisions despite having obvious disadvantages size wise against many of them
we need more guys like them these days, who arent afraid of losing and will fight anybody
things like GSP vs anderson would have happened if they had the attitude of the aforementioned legends
BJ and Randy fought their entire careers in the UFC and fought the best guys in two divisions despite having obvious disadvantages size wise against many of them
we need more guys like them these days, who arent afraid of losing and will fight anybody
things like GSP vs anderson would have happened if they had the attitude of the aforementioned legends
How would he not be top 5 when Arlovski is top 5 right now? HW is weak as shit. Prime Fedor would still be top of the division now.
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19/30 = 63%...
16/26 = 61.5%
you can't count draws as losses or wins so throw them out... also how do you do math?
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His record sucked, he lost a ton of fights, his striking was average at best, and people treated him like he was p4p top dog for a while. By the way, Ricco stopped him, and Liddell khtfo twice. Don't know what the fu#k you are smoking.
