Biggest robbery? GSP/Hendricks or Jones/Reyes?

Jones-Reyes easy. Even if people were to falsely claim both are a case of 2-2 with a "split" round, (which clearly isn't the case), the evenness of the striking vs the grappling of the GSP-Hendricks round had way more to argue than "Well, Jones may have been competely unsuccessful with his grappling and was outstruck in every metric of overall volume, total strikes, significant strikes, where the strikes landed, and power, but he moved forward more of the round"
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
Jones-Reyes easy. Even if people were to falsely claim both are a case of 2-2 with a "split" round, (which clearly isn't the case), the evenness of the striking vs the grappling of the GSP-Hendricks round had way more to argue than "Well, Jones may have been competely unsuccessful with his grappling and was outstruck in every metric of total volume, significant strikes, and power, but he moved forward more of the round"
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Disagree.

I've watched Jones-Reyes, probably five times (GSP/Hendricks, maybe three times).

In GSP/Hendricks, Hendricks was the stronger, more confident, more devastating man. GSP was busted-up, outgunned, etc. and "tactically-tried to be impressive" for the judges. But anyone could see, Hendricks was the stronger, more confident man.

In the Jones/Reyes fight, it was exactly the opposite: Reyes had a lot of "initial energy and momentum," but ultimately Jones was the stronger, more confident man.

Reyes had a lot of "youthful energy," early. He was the star on the rise, and he came at Jones hard — but he actually didn't do much.

Jones was a bit rusty, and it took him a while to get into the groove.
(Meanwhile, Reyes was WASTING A LOT OF ENERGY, burning himself out, with flailing but not very effective efforts.)

By mid-3rd round, Jones had warmed up and was hunting the fading/failing SCARED Reyes.

Jones was the lion, Reyes was the kill. (It was only the fact Reyes was saved by the 5th-round bell which prevented the actual kill.)

If you rewatch both fights, you will go away thinking Hendricks was the better man against GSP, because GSP was relieved the fight was over, while Hendricks was pissed the fight was over. (That tells anyone with a brain Hendricks was the better man.)

In the Jones/Reyes fight, it was Reyes who was relieved the fight was over, while Jones was hunting him down trying to kill him. That should tell anyone with a brain, Jones was the better man in that fight.

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IronGolem007 said:
Disagree.

I've watched Jones-Reyes, probably five times (GSP/Hendricks, maybe three times).

In GSP/Hendricks, Hendricks was the stronger, more confident, more devastating man. GSP was busted-up, outgunned, etc. and "tactically-tried to be impressive" for the judges. But anyone could see, Hendricks was the stronger, more confident man.

In the Jones/Reyes fight, it was exactly the opposite: Reyes had a lot of "initial energy and momentum," but ultimately Jones was the stronger, more confident man.

Reyes had a lot of "youthful energy," early. He was the star on the rise, and he came at Jones hard — but he actually didn't do much.

Jones was a bit rusty, and it took him a while to get into the groove.
(Meanwhile, Reyes was WASTING A LOT OF ENERGY, burning himself out, with flailing but not very effective efforts.)

By mid-3rd round, Jones had warmed up and was hunting the fading/failing SCARED Reyes.

Jones was the lion, Reyes was the kill. (It was only the fact Reyes was saved by the 5th-round bell which prevented the actual kill.)

If you rewatch both fights, you will go away thinking Hendricks was the better man against GSP, because GSP was relieved the fight was over, while Hendricks was pissed the fight was over. (That tells anyone with a brain Hendricks was the better man.)

In the Jones/Reyes fight, it was Reyes who was relieved the fight was over, while Jones was hunting him down trying to kill him. That should tell anyone with a brain, Jones was the better man in that fight.

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Anyone with a brain knows how to score fights round by round instead of just giving a "man score" dependent on how both guys looked at the end or who noted idiot IronGolem thinks was "scared," despite that scared guy still outstriking Jones in round 3
 
orca said:
jones significant strikes 60 percent vs reyes 40 percent
jones almost crippled reyes

big difference when hendricks still wanna fight gsp
and reyes tryna survive the last rounds
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Not only are you not doing round by round scoring, your only point is giving strike accuracy? Ya know, that metric that isn't part of judging at all? And as a matter of fact, is usually scored in the opposite direction because attempted strikes are notoriously scored as aggression?

Brilliant as always
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
Anyone with a brain knows how to score fights round by round instead of just giving a "man score" dependent on how both guys looked at the end or who noted idiot IronGolem thinks was "scared," despite that scared guy still outstriking Jones in round 3
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Nice reflexive, bitch-ass response.

Take the time to actually watch the momentum of the Jones/Reyes fight.

ACTUALLY WATCH how much energy Reyes wastes (doing things that actually achieved nothing useful, besides "looking flashy").

Then, ACTUALLY WATCH Jones zero-in, and begin to hunt-down Reyes — who goes into panic mode, as he desperately tries to stay alive from late Round 2 until the end.

Jones was a master of ECONOMY Of MOVEMENT, while Reyes (like a scared boy) "stayed active" — not doing anything useful — but just trying to keep Jones off of him.

By the end of the fight, Reyes was a tired and BEATEN man, while Jones was the fresher, still-hungry KILLER looking to finish his inexperienced foe.
Any man who is "relieved" a fight is over, is THE LOSER, deep down, in his own heart.

Denial does not equal rebuttal.
Also, and more importantly, the judges got it right, you got it wrong.

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IronGolem007 said:
In the Jones/Reyes fight, it was Reyes who was relieved the fight was over, while Jones was hunting him down trying to kill him. That should tell anyone with a brain, Jones was the better man in that fight.

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Or Reyes thought he won and thus was relieved when the fight was over and Jones wanted to put Reyes down because he thought Reyes won too. That would make more sense than Reyes being relieved when the fight was over while thinking he had just lost.
 
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Dogshare said:
Or Reyes thought he won and thus was relieved when the fight was over and Jones wanted to put Reyes down because the thought Reyes won too. That would make more sense than Reyes being relieved when the fight was over while thinking he had just lost.
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Shaddap.

Any man who is "relieved" a fight is over isn't even a fighter, he's the loser in his own heart.

The man who still wants to come after, and finish, his foe = THE BETTER MAN.
 
IronGolem007 said:
Shaddap.

Any man who is "relieved" a fight is over isn't even a fighter, he's the loser in his own heart.

The man who still wants to come after, and finish, his foe = THE BETTER MAN.
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And "the better man" loses in MMA all the time, that's not unusual at all to anyone who watches this sport.

We're talking about scores, so you're fully invited to come back to reality instead of your usual feelings-based testicle measuring system
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
And "the better man" loses in MMA all the time, that's not unusual at all to anyone who watches this sport.

We're talking about scores, so you're fully invited to come back to reality instead of your usual feelings-based testicle measuring system
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Not feelings, knowledgeable observation of assessing momentum + testicular fortitude.

At the end of the day, we are watching a fight, not tennis.

NOTHING Reyes did "beat" Jones, mentally or physically, while EVERYTHING Jones did was weakening Reyes, both mentally and physically.

Reyes' punches were only effective in Rounds 1 and 2 — but even here, he was already wasting tons of energy, while Jones was making reads and putting on the pressure.

Toward the end of Round 2, and all throughout Round 3, Reyes was flailing and not doing anything effective.

You just don't know what you're actually looking at.

Anyone who scored "desperate flailing" as "active excellence" is an idiot.

Jones' consistent, ever-increasing pressure was actually MORE effective in breaking Reyes then "anything Reyes did" to break Jones.

Again, denial isn't rebuttal, but stupidity is forever.
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
Jones-Reyes easy. Even if people were to falsely claim both are a case of 2-2 with a "split" round, (which clearly isn't the case), the evenness of the striking vs the grappling of the GSP-Hendricks round had way more to argue than "Well, Jones may have been competely unsuccessful with his grappling and was outstruck in every metric of overall volume, total strikes, significant strikes, where the strikes landed, and power, but he moved forward more of the round"
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Adding onto this, since I directly compared these 2 fights "as robberies" before in another thread, I'm just gonna pull the post from there::

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Could I have been thinking of GSP vs Hendricks?
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Hmm..?
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Nah, I am thinking of Jones-Reyes.

You wanna talk about close rounds? Which rounds went to Jon exactly, cuz I'm confused.
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I give Jon 2 rounds, but which 3rd should I give him? They all just look so delicious.

See, this is what a split looks like.
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Hmm, maybe the stats will clear things up.
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Yup, those definitely look like close rounds. Total strikes and attempetd volume vs significant strikes are similar or flipped, control time with takedowns split attention. Makes sense.

Ok, so we can identify close rounds. Let's see the close rounds with Jones
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You see in the first 3 rounds, the significant strikes are all so clo..
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..wait no. Well, even if the significant strikes have a wide margin, I'm sure the total strikes and attempted volume must have made up the diff..
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..oh no. I mean, where the strikes land is important too, so maybe Dom was just doing legwork while Jon surpassed him in combined head & body strikes to close the ga-
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shit.. Well, Jon is one of the best wrestlers in MMA, I'm sure his successful takedowns and control time stole some ro-
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... Oh... Well, there's always a difference of power and clean connections. Maybe the biggest moments of the rounds were Jones'? If you take a look at the UFC's post-round highlights in round 3, I'm sure we'll fin-
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Ah.. yeah, no. I don't think there's much of an argument that Jones should have won.
 
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