Biggest robbery? GSP/Hendricks or Jones/Reyes?

[NenadRS]

Disagree.

I've watched Jones-Reyes, probably five times (GSP/Hendricks, maybe three times).

In GSP/Hendricks, Hendricks was the stronger, more confident, more devastating man. GSP was busted-up, outgunned, etc. and "tactically-tried to be impressive" for the judges. But anyone could see, Hendricks was the stronger, more confident man.

In the Jones/Reyes fight, it was exactly the opposite: Reyes had a lot of "initial energy and momentum," but ultimately Jones was the stronger, more confident man.

Reyes had a lot of "youthful energy," early. He was the star on the rise, and he came at Jones hard — but he actually didn't do much.

Jones was a bit rusty, and it took him a while to get into the groove.
(Meanwhile, Reyes was WASTING A LOT OF ENERGY, burning himself out, with flailing but not very effective efforts.)

By mid-3rd round, Jones had warmed up and was hunting the fading/failing SCARED Reyes.

Jones was the lion, Reyes was the kill. (It was only the fact Reyes was saved by the 5th-round bell which prevented the actual kill.)

If you rewatch both fights, you will go away thinking Hendricks was the better man against GSP, because GSP was relieved the fight was over, while Hendricks was pissed the fight was over. (That tells anyone with a brain Hendricks was the better man.)

In the Jones/Reyes fight, it was Reyes who was relieved the fight was over, while Jones was hunting him down trying to kill him. That should tell anyone with a brain, Jones was the better man in that fight.

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Are you trying to invent some new weird scoring system, what does that all mean, you wrote nonsense.

Current round by round scoring is pretty clear.

Reyes 1/2/3. not possible to score it differently.

- Reyes landed 40-50% more significant strikes in every of the first 3 rounds. Also did more damage. Jones lost.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

So? Which one?

Easy answer:
GSP 2 clear rounds, Johnny 2 clear rounds and 1 razor close round. Its not even a robbery.

Reyes 1,2 & 3 clear as day. Jon 4 & 5 clear as day. Actual robbery.

 

[HHJ]

Nice reflexive, bitch-ass response.

Take the time to actually watch the momentum of the Jones/Reyes fight.

ACTUALLY WATCH how much energy Reyes wastes (doing things that actually achieved nothing useful, besides "looking flashy").

Then, ACTUALLY WATCH Jones zero-in, and begin to hunt-down Reyes — who goes into panic mode, as he desperately tries to stay alive from late Round 2 until the end.

Jones was a master of ECONOMY Of MOVEMENT, while Reyes (like a scared boy) "stayed active" — not doing anything useful — but just trying to keep Jones off of him.

By the end of the fight, Reyes was a tired and BEATEN man, while Jones was the fresher, still-hungry KILLER looking to finish his inexperienced foe.
Any man who is "relieved" a fight is over, is THE LOSER, deep down, in his own heart.

Denial does not equal rebuttal.
Also, and more importantly, the judges got it right, you got it wrong.

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lol @ momentum

Score the rounds playa

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

Jones-Reyes easy. Even if people were to falsely claim both are a case of 2-2 with a "split" round, (which clearly isn't the case), the evenness of the striking vs the grappling of the GSP-Hendricks round had way more to argue than "Well, Jones may have been competely unsuccessful with his grappling and was outstruck in every metric of overall volume, total strikes, significant strikes, where the strikes landed, and power, but he moved forward more of the round"

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

lol @ momentum

Score the rounds playa

It's part of the scoring ...

 

[ultra321]

No honorable mention for Volkov vs Gane?

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Are you trying to invent some new weird scoring system, what does that all mean, you wrote nonsense.

Current round by round scoring is pretty clear.

Reyes 1/2/3. not possible to score it differently.

- Reyes landed 40-50% more significant strikes in every of the first 3 rounds. Also did more damage. Jones lost.

He always is. Being a tough guy is his whole shtick, which ironically involves him talking about his feelings a bunch, and who of the professional fighters he feels aren't tough enough.

It's part of the scoring ...

It's not. Momentum can be reflected by scoring, but you don't score momentum

 

[HHJ]

It's part of the scoring ...

123 Reyes
then Jones wins the last 2 on account of Reyes gassing
Simple.

 

[acannxr]

So? Which one?

GSP vs. Hendricks was decided by the first round, which was a toss up round, so I wouldn't call the decision a robbery.

Based on how fights were judged in 2013, I scored the fight a draw, personally.

Rewatched GSP vs. Hendricks.

Round 1 | 10-10 Draw 1st Minute: GSP; takedown, guillotine attempt 2nd Minute: Hendricks; punch/elbow while defending takedown. 3rd Minute: Hendricks; takedown, clinch 4th Minute: GSP; striking 5th Minute: Draw; clinch, striking Round 2 | 10-9 Hendricks 1st Minute: Hendricks; striking (wobbled...

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Therefore, I think Jones vs. Reyes was the "biggest robbery" between the two options.

GSP was busted-up

GSP after Condit:

GSP after Diaz:

And yet no one would argue that Condit and Diaz won against GSP.

 

[Last Falconry]

GSP lost that fight. it’s ok to admit it. it feels better than pretending anyway

 

[El Fernas]

GSP vs Hendricks.

 

[Edward Henry Greb]

123 Reyes
then Jones wins the last 2 on account of Reyes gassing
Simple.

We agree, except I think Jones won 3,4,5 ... Reyes was a scared rabbit in Round 3.

His activity in Round 3 wasn't "fighting to win" ... it was "trying to keep Jones off" ...

 

[MrBlackheart]

I'm a big GSP fanboy.

But I scored it 48-47 Hendricks

Don’t you love it how people prequalify themselves to validate their opinions?

It’s always the “I like xyz fighter, but (followed by statements against xyz fighter”.

or

“I dislike abc fighter, but (statements supporting abc fighter)”


You’ll never see statements likes “I like this fighter and I think he won the fight”. It’s because the opinion looks emotionally motivated and therefore makes it a weak one. So to counter that, you have to throw out opinions that’s against our emotional bias(the pre-qualifier). It was a good trick but everyone is doing these days on the internet that it lost its luster and we can all see it is for what it is.

 

[JBJ was here]

Reyes 1,2 & 3 clear as day. Jon 4 & 5 clear as day. Actual robbery.

After three rounds it is indisputable that Reyes was more gassed and had taken more total damage. It is literally impossible that he won each of rounds one through three on any reasonable scoring criteria. You can't have a fighter losing three rounds as a whole while also winning each round without having internally inconsistent scoring criteria. Math doesn't work that way.

 

[tornado362]

Don’t you love it how people prequalify themselves to validate their opinions?

It’s always the “I like xyz fighter, but (followed by statements against xyz fighter”.

or

“I dislike abc fighter, but (statements supporting abc fighter)”


You’ll never see statements likes “I like this fighter and I think he won the fight”. It’s because the opinion looks emotionally motivated and therefore makes it a weak one. So to counter that, you have to throw out opinions that’s against our emotional bias(the pre-qualifier). It was a good trick but everyone is doing these days on the internet that it lost its luster and we can all see it is for what it is.

Jesus christ buddy, it's Christmas, lighten up....

I was saying that through my general bias by being a GSP fan boy, I still scored it for Hendricks.

Being a fan of the fighter is a factor in how we score fights, if a round is close, we are much more likely to give it to the fighter we favour. Regardless of this, I am still scoring rounds 1, 2 and 4 for Hendricks.

 

[Krixes]

I thought GSP took more damage while Jones was more outpointed. Hard to say what was the bigger robbery.

That's how I would word it. In totality GSP got beat up pretty good but you can argue he won 3 rounds. Jones took very little damage but probably lost 3 rounds.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

After three rounds it is indisputable that Reyes was more gassed and had taken more total damage. It is literally impossible that he won each of rounds one through three on any reasonable scoring criteria. You can't have a fighter losing three rounds as a whole while also winning each round without having internally inconsistent scoring criteria. Math doesn't work that way.

He very clearly landed more and harder the first 3 rounds, what on Earth are you talking about? He was ahead in nearly EVERY scoring criteria, as they're written. You actually believe Jon "won" the whole of the first 3 rounds? What else do you believe in, Loch Ness?

 

[Ares Black]

Easy answer:
GSP 2 clear rounds, Johnny 2 clear rounds and 1 razor close round. Its not even a robbery.

Reyes 1,2 & 3 clear as day. Jon 4 & 5 clear as day. Actual robbery.

^^^^^^^^^This guy gets it

 

[Ares Black]

After three rounds it is indisputable that Reyes was more gassed and had taken more total damage. It is literally impossible that he won each of rounds one through three on any reasonable scoring criteria. You can't have a fighter losing three rounds as a whole while also winning each round without having internally inconsistent scoring criteria. Math doesn't work that way.

What an odd post

 

[Lee Danger]

Nah, IronGolem is legitimately an old fart who has done time for being a piece of a shit, he just thinks like a 10 year old, which comes with threatening people who disagree with him over the internet. Apparently, fighting a bunch behind bars because he's nearly impossible to like gives him enough insight to tell everyone how soft these pro fighters are feeling.