Biggest robbery? GSP/Hendricks or Jones/Reyes?

[Mohawk Banditó]

Constantly proving how big brained he is by never being able to bring substantive arguments to any discussion, just his feelings on things, and then jumping immediately to wanting to fight people at the drop of a hat. Don't know how a guy lives a life like that without realizing he is the emotional one.

Everyone who disagrees with him and tells him obvious shit, like how dogfighting is animal abuse, he jumps straight to politics to write them off as some liberal bullshitter, as if any reasonably-minded conservatives wouldn't want to stomp his ass for his role in the dogfighting world.

Such big brain. Impressive intellect

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Across the entire fight, Jones maintained a higher striking accuracy than Reyes, and that included the third round.

Irrelevant and wrong. Accuracy doesn't matter and we're comparing round 3 in order to argue if Jon could have won it, but Dom had a higher accuracy

This is not 4 strikes, but a significant amount of strikes,. Which allows fighters to effectively damage their opponents while minimizing the risk of getting hit themselves, essentially maximizing the impact of each strike by landing them precisely on target.

Strikes DO allow opponents to damage opponents. Dom struck Jon with more strikes, and those strikes were, on average, more damaging because of having a higher maximum impact by being more on target, which is effective striking, and why he won

 

[Domitian]

I had money on GSP and I'm a fan of Jon so I'm just gonna say neither.

And honestly, robbery is a term that should be used for fights egregiously bad. Close fights like these two and others like DDP/Strickland are just simply close ass fights that aren't robberies no matter who gets decided the victor.

 

[Domitian]

It's not what's being stated because we're talking about scoring fights, which is by rounds. FIGHTS aren't close, rounds are. And the rounds in this fight weren't close

Here's the rounds

2 Judges gave round 2 to Jon and 2 judges gave round 3 to Jon.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Here's the rounds

2 Judges gave round 2 to Jon and 2 judges gave round 3 to Jon.

Thanks! This thread is about robberies. Welcome.

 

[Domitian]

Thanks! This thread is about robberies. Welcome.

Ehh close fights aren't robberies. I scored the fight for Reyes but robbery as a term hardly applies.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Ehh close fights aren't robberies. I scored the fight for Reyes but robbery as a term hardly applies.

It's a robbery because no judge or person should have got that score, and that's what we're defending. The judges scores aren't evidence of closeness or else no robberies exists because the judges didn't score it that way. See how it'd be silly to say that if judges scored a fight, then they weren't wrong?

For your consideration, are you aware that the ABC held a training event with the CSAC and 18 judges across the commissions attended and the judges and coordinators all unanimously scored 48-47 Reyes?

During the discussion, the judges perceived that Reyes was the more effective striker, and should have won. Big John concluded their response and said, “He won the first three rounds.”

Wouldn't that imply much less that it could be scored any way and more than the judges that night fucked up?

 

[RedDevilFan]

Irrelevant and wrong. Accuracy doesn't matter and we're comparing round 3 in order to argue if Jon could have won it, but Dom had a higher accuracy

How could Dom have had a higher striking accuracy if Jones' striking accuracy in the third round was significantly higher compared to Reyes.

If you rewatch the fight Dom threw many combinations that completely wiffed. A lot of flurries in that round from Reyes that did not hit or were blocked. If you re-watch the second and slow the flurries down. A lot of glancing/dodged shots.

 

[sickness666]

I have 0 interest in internet pissing matches.

Lets assume the pic is really you - you obviously have 0 care about it, that's your preorgative. But you also put another person's photo on this thread, a person who can easily be now tracked down by people. And as we all know internet is fulll of different kinds of fucktards who can actually cause real life... well irritation at least, up to proper trouble.

And before you flex your bad-assery and go "let them come at me in real life!":

What I am saying dragging the ladyperson into the mix for the sake of penis size comparison egotrip online is not cool. Would recommend taking her pic down just for the sake of common sense.

Unfortunately, he seems to have little to no intelligence. There is no common sense to be seen here.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

How could Dom have had a higher striking accuracy if Jones' striking accuracy in the third round was significantly higher compared to Reyes.

It wasn't. Where are you getting that?

Which is partially attributed to his consistent and accurate striking throughout the fight, including the third round.

If you rewatch the fight Dom threw many combinations that completely wiffed.

Rewatched the third round less than a month ago. Detailed back then why it was still obvious Dom won.

A lot of flurries in that round from Reyes. If you re-watch the second and slow the flurries down. A lot of glancing/dodged shots.

Did Reyes win the second? I thought we were talking about the third. Did the goal posts get moved when I wasn't looking?

 

[muaythaidon1]

GSP was fighting someone blatantly on PEDS, meanwhile Jon was fighting on PEDS.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

You need to break it down by rounds.

But I'm saying Reyes.

Cause rd1 Hendricks was realistically a draw and cause I've never heard a reason why half the Reyes scorecard was pre-printed.

 

[joy2day]

Round 1 of GSP vs Henricks was a legitimate toss up round.

Yeah, many struggle to reckon with this fact.

 

[JBJ was here]

Anyone giving a single round to Jon from the first 1-3 is a fucking cow brained retard

Anyone who actually evaluates effective striking damage and progress towards ending a fight as primary factors has to give Jones at least one of the first three rounds of the Reyes fight and both of the last two rounds. Reyes was gassed and hobbled after three rounds while Jones was fresh and essentially undamaged, and all Reyes did in rounds four and five was get beaten up.

Of course the fight was in Texas, which hasn't adopted the unified rules and where there are literally no meaningful standards in place for judging an MMA fight beyond the requirement of scoring by round on a 10 point must. Under the rules in place it clearly wasn't a robbery because there were no rules for scoring in place:

(d) Scoring Techniques.

(1) Using the 10-Point Must Scoring System, judges are required to determine a winner of a contest that ends after the scheduled number of rounds have been completed. Ten points must be awarded to the winner of each round and 9 points or less must be awarded to the loser, except for a rare even round, which is scored a 10-10.

(2) Judges must evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, fighting area control, and effective aggressiveness/defense.

There's no guidance on what constitutes an even round beyond "rare;" no guidance at all on what constitutes a 10-8 round, a 10-7 or worse round, effective striking, effective grappling, fighting area control, or effective aggressiveness/defense; and no guidance on how the factors should be weighed. There's also that "such as," which requires judges to consider anything else they deem to be an MMA technique, and technically there's no limitation on optionally considering matters that aren't MMA technique. Also note the inclusion of defense as a factor, specifically contrary to the unified rules.

At worst it was a close fight, not a robbery. Under the unified rules, which weren't in place for the fight, it would have been a clear win for Jones under any reasonable scoring of the first three rounds.

 

[filthynumber1]

GSP won that fight. You can blame rules, not judges. Hendrics was better fighter but GSP won 3 very close rounds and Hendrics won 2 rounds clearly but not by 10-8.

For some reason I thought one of Hendricks rounds could have been a 10-8 so it's possible to be a draw.

 

[lerobshow]

Here we go again with these dumb ass posts.

How is GSP - Hendricks a robbery?!?!?!? Around 90%+ of the people on MMADecision agreed on the 2-4 going to Hendricks and 3-5 going to GSP. Absolutely no one is arguing about that.

It all comes down to the 1st round -- the round where Hendricks actually tapped.

I hate when lazy ass people call a close fight a robbery because theyre not used to seeing the person they hate be involved in a close fight instead of dominating.

Hate him or like him, Yall do the same sh*t to Jones. Same sh*t yall did to GSP.

 

[AstralPanda]

I'm a big GSP fanboy.

But I scored it 48-47 Hendricks. I've rewatched this fight many times, and yeah Hendricks won.

The Jones fight I scored 48-47 Jones, but I'm not entirely sure of that and haven't seen the fight since it happened.

Most people who think it was a robbery haven't

When you watch it a few times, looking at each strike in slow motion, you realize how little Reyes actually hit him.

Neither was a Robbery.

 

[GrantB13]

jones significant strikes 60 percent vs reyes 40 percent
jones almost crippled reyes

big difference when hendricks still wanna fight gsp
and reyes tryna survive the last rounds

6/10 is 60%
40/100 is 40%
40 > 6
This is why you don't judges percentages.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Rewatched the third round less than a month ago. Detailed back then why it was still obvious Dom won.


Did Reyes win the second? I thought we were talking about the third. Did the goal posts get moved when I wasn't looking?

We are talking about the third, as the fight details how close it was in many of the other rounds and not just the third. I said Scott gave jones the third, and that it was plausible, but there are many others who gave jones the second. If you are asking about my personal view on the third, I thought it could have gone either way. I thought both were close fights and could have gone either way.

Jon Jones def. Dominick Reyes :: UFC 247 :: MMA Decisions

mmadecisions.com

Other MMA analysts have said that there were only 3 definite rounds in that fight. 1st & 3rd were Reyes, 5th and 4th were jones. So even that varies by individuals in terms of who won the fight and what rounds are under scrutiny. 7 media outlets scored it for jones. So, the differing views and scores from the media show that it was a very close fight with rounds that are in dispute.

If you compare that to GSP, All of the media outlets had GSP losing to Hendricks.

Georges St-Pierre def. Johny Hendricks :: UFC 167 :: MMA Decisions

mmadecisions.com

 

[filthynumber1]

Yeah I had hendricks 1,2 and 4. But round 1 was super close

It was a close fight could have gone either way
People don't understand what robberies are.
I thought a robbery was when Masvidal pieced up raging Al Iaguntia for three rounds and somehow Al wins a split decision.
To me that's a robbery.
But if we didn't get that robbery we don't get this gem of a vid
We call this the Fuck you interview.




Gsp Hendricks margin was narrow as fuck