Biggest letdown?

[Michaelangelo]

JimRyko getting exposed badly here

And yes Punk v Lesnar was much better than the Cena matches(which were good in their own right)

Even that bozo Meltzer gave it 4.5 stars

 

[flowwiththego]

There were actually people who thought it would be Owen
They surmised that his death was a storyline hoax of epic proportion and that Owen would be revealed as The Higher Power.
Edit,---- sorry I didn't know how to quote on the new site.

 

[Lethal]

The Higher Power reveal and The Invasion are the biggest busts. It should have been Jake The Snake Roberts.

 

[Hitman81]

The Invasion. Although it was never going to be good when Vince's only priority was to bury WCW.

 

[electricfuneral]

Bret Hart in WCW. I loved seeing bret wrestle and thought we would see epic matches with jericho, eddie, benoit, goldberg, nwo, sting. Bret was getting better at promos and could do the wcw style of shoot promo. WCW decided to shelf him and minimize him. Bret did evolve into a decent shit heel but nowhere near his own potential.

 

[JamesRyko]

Nice, What was the story behind this? I had a feeling I was wrong about that statement but I couldn't find any info to the contrary. Regardless, I highly doubt he held it hostage for 3 months to give himself a wrestlemania headline.

 

[JamesRyko]

JimRyko getting exposed badly here

And yes Punk v Lesnar was much better than the Cena matches(which were good in their own right)

Even that bozo Meltzer gave it 4.5 stars

sup mitchel,

Exposed of what? That quoted post wasn't even about the issue you responded to. I got exposed hard for being factually incorrect about vince never putting the belt on himself? I bet he held on to it for 12 weeks like HHH plans to.

I disagree that they were good matches.. And I have no problem with the fact that you disagree.. It's just a difference in taste. I don't enjoy mismatches. And thus doesn't make it an equivalent of what goldberg/lesnar should have been. I do however have a problem with you disagreeing that the Cena matches were good.. Because they weren't.

Also, Don't call me Jim

 

[Smigg]

Nice, What was the story behind this? I had a feeling I was wrong about that statement but I couldn't find any info to the contrary. Regardless, I highly doubt he held it hostage for 3 months to give himself a wrestlemania headline.

He was actually a babyface during this time, HHH was the champion, and he goaded Vince into the match, and Austin and Shane helped Vince win the title, he then vacated it on the next Raw (he won it on SmackDown).

This lead to the Six Pack Challenge, HHH vs. Rock vs. Mankind vs. Kane vs. Big Show vs. Bulldog, where HHH regained the title.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Jim tbh your taste is questionable

It exposes your lack of acumen on the subject

Oh Brock vs Goldberg didn't live up to your expectations so now he has make it up to you lol

His WM main event last year was exceptional

His match with Punk was one of the best in either one's career

You didn't even know they had a triple threat which was the Rumble last year (Match of the year caliber btw)

And the Cena bouts were good
Experts agree Lesnar has performed well

Not sure what you don't get besides running your mouth without a clue lmao

 

[JamesRyko]

Jim tbh your taste is questionable

It exposes your lack of acumen on the subject

Oh Brock vs Goldberg didn't live up to your expectations so now he has make it up to you lol

His WM main event last year was exceptional

His match with Punk was one of the best in either one's career

You didn't even know they had a triple threat which was the Rumble last year (Match of the year caliber btw)

And the Cena bouts were good
Experts agree Lesnar has performed well

Not sure what you don't get besides running your mouth without a clue lmao

Please stop calling me Jim,

I never said Lesnar was a poor performer. And I never said he has to make anything up to me. I am simply implying that his work has not made up for his WM20 shit storm.
I agree also that he has performed "well".. The mere fact that I am not as hard core of a fan as you doesn't make me wrong. Infact it makes me more right because WWE caters more towards casuals than the hardcore fans. What I think is best for business..

I had fun watching lesnar crush cena in that squash match. Just because it was entertaining doesn't mean it had the hype that goldberg did. The second match was just bully lesnar vs hero john.. I think Cena is a great performer but I hate his superman gimmick.. It's so childish and dorky. His performances last year as the US champ is by far his best work. Competative, no "storytelling", back and fourth displays o talent. Exactly what should have been showcased during lesnar vs goldberg.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Your words Jim:

Obviously the Lesnar/Goldberg match was pure bullshit.. And imo Lesnar has yet to pay the fans back

I expected better from you(actually I didnt lmao)

lol at you thinking you know what's best for business

It's obvious you know jack shit rofl

You compare yourself to the casual fan. The causal fan loved the Wrestlemania main event.
Even when I told you to look up HHH vs Lesnar you immediately dismissed it without watching. This is the thought process of a ignoramus who has his mind closed to his surroundings.

You are in the minority here and can't come to grips with your shit tier understanding of the squared circle.

Go back to watching some shitty overseas Indy fed crap.

But I'll do you a favor. Instead calling you Jim, you are now Chris

 

[JamesRyko]

Your words Jim:




I expected better from you(actually I didnt lmao)

lol at you thinking you know what's best for business

It's obvious you know jack shit rofl

You compare yourself to the casual fan. The causal fan loved the Wrestlemania main event.
Even when I told you to look up HHH vs Lesnar you immediately dismissed it without watching. This is the thought process of a ignoramus who has his mind closed to his surroundings.

You are in the minority here and can't come to grips with your shit tier understanding of the squared circle.

Go back to watching some shitty overseas Indy fed crap.

But I'll do you a favor. Instead calling you Jim, you are now Chris

Those words are exactly my feeling. And anyone who says otherwise is delusional or disagreeing for the sake of argument.

I am well aware that I am a minority here. That doesn't make me wrong. All that means is that people who share your feelings tend to participate in forums to gain confirmation bias on your glorification of nostalgia. While the super vast silent majority of fans don't have time to complain on the internet. I however have tons of free time

I've seen 100 HHH matches so I can tell you right now that unless it took place pre-2004 it wasn't his best work. HHH is way past his prime and hasn't evolved as a wrestler. That doesn't mean hes bad. Hes certainly one of the best of all time. Even in his prime he never had the aura and physical prowess to match lesnar/goldberg or even RR.. You are failing to realize that I am not so much calling the matches poor performances as claiming that they didn't have the hype that goldberg had.

The WWE using lesnar is such an annoying problem because all the people that lesnar is working with are people that are respected in the industry with big names.. Where as highly talented people his own size that could put on outstanding matches don't get the time of day outside of jobbing (harper/rowan/big E). Thats why the goldberg match was special. A guy that was the same size with the same aura and the same or bigger name recognition.(And wasn't 50 years old)

I think Cena could have an outstanding match with lesnar as well if he approached it like he did his US title matches instead of how they told his superman "story" during the match. RR has an opportunity to do the same thing. He blew it last year playing the superman miracle come back role.. Hopefully this year he goes into the match playing as an equal. They've spent the last several months making RR look invincible so it shouldn't be so far fetched that he be able to match Lesnar.

I understand wrestling better than you guys do without paying even 10% the attention to it.. Not watching my 101 HHH match doesn't make me close minded.. It just means that I already aware of his move set and his story is almost always the same.. Hes basically an evolved version of hulk hogans move set and antics and he usually cheats in some way to lead up to the finish. Like I said, I'm sure it was a good match.. But I'd bet my 401k that it was not a back and fourth slam fest that most people want.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Those words are exactly my feeling. And anyone who says otherwise is delusional or disagreeing for the sake of argument.

I am well aware that I am a minority here. That doesn't make me wrong. All that means is that people who share your feelings tend to participate in forums to gain confirmation bias on your glorification of nostalgia. While the super vast silent majority of fans don't have time to complain on the internet. I however have tons of free time

I've seen 100 HHH matches so I can tell you right now that unless it took place pre-2004 it wasn't his best work. HHH is way past his prime and hasn't evolved as a wrestler. That doesn't mean hes bad. Hes certainly one of the best of all time. Even in his prime he never had the aura and physical prowess to match lesnar/goldberg or even RR.. You are failing to realize that I am not so much calling the matches poor performances as claiming that they didn't have the hype that goldberg had.

The WWE using lesnar is such an annoying problem because all the people that lesnar is working with are people that are respected in the industry with big names.. Where as highly talented people his own size that could put on outstanding matches don't get the time of day outside of jobbing (harper/rowan/big E). Thats why the goldberg match was special. A guy that was the same size with the same aura and the same or bigger name recognition.

I think Cena could have an outstanding match with lesnar as well if he approached it like he did his US title matches instead of how they told his superman "story" during the match. RR has an opportunity to do the same thing. He blew it last year playing the superman miracle come back role.. Hopefully this year he goes into the match playing as an equal. They've spent the last several months making RR look invincible so it shouldn't be so far fetched that he be able to match Lesnar.

I understand wrestling better than you guys do without paying even 10% the attention to it.. Not watching my 101 HHH match doesn't make me close minded.. It just means that I already aware of his move set and his story is almost always the same.. Hes basically an evolved version of hulk hogans move set and antics and he usually cheats in some way to lead up to the finish. Like I said, I'm sure it was a good match.. But I'd bet my 401k that it was not a back and fourth slam fest that most people want.

 

[JamesRyko]

I'm not suprised, All of your responses to me in this thread suggest you didn't actually read my posts. Didn't stop you from spewing out stupid comments though.

Have a godd night minkus.

 

[electricfuneral]

michelangelo the savage.

James is a solid wrestling fan but what we are actually seeing here I think is a fundamental difference of opinions when it comes to what works in wrestling.

James is of the (flawed) perspective that work rate creates the best match and the key is to perform cool, realistic, hard hitting spots and having logical finishes. A Cena guy?

Michelangelo is more in step with me and the nuanced fan who thinks the match is determined by how good the story is that is told in the ring and in the lead up.

I think HHH is a better wrestler now that his work rate has dropped because I think he uses psychology better and his character is more interesting.

Punk vs Undertaker was one of my favourite matches because of the story it told. Undertaker is not very capable of a high work rate.

 

[D.R.H.]

The Invasion was a let down of biblical proportions. Honestly, the first few weeks of the NWO were up there for big let downs as well. That week when Hall and Nash told Schiavone on Nitro that they didn't still work for Vince was soul crushing. This was back when the interwebz wasn't as prevalent and everyone didn't check with either Meltzer or Scherer and know everything before it happened on tv.

 

[TheStruggle]

michelangelo the savage.

James is a solid wrestling fan but what we are actually seeing here I think is a fundamental difference of opinions when it comes to what works in wrestling.

James is of the (flawed) perspective that work rate creates the best match and the key is to perform cool, realistic, hard hitting spots and having logical finishes. A Cena guy?

Michelangelo is more in step with me and the nuanced fan who thinks the match is determined by how good the story is that is told in the ring and in the lead up.

I think HHH is a better wrestler now that his work rate has dropped because I think he uses psychology better and his character is more interesting.

Punk vs Undertaker was one of my favourite matches because of the story it told. Undertaker is not very capable of a high work rate.

That workrate tho....

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

Of modern times? For me it is Hideo Itami.

He put on fantastic matches in Japan but really struggled to adapt in NXT, then gets a shoulder injury as soon as he starts to find his footing.

 

[electricfuneral]

Too early to tell for itami. I think they have big plans for him, just keep a microphone out of his face.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

Too early to tell for itami. I think they have big plans for him, just keep a microphone out of his face.

I'm not so sure, I think those plans may get to Nakamura instead.

From what I've heard, he is still having complications from surgery. Shoulder issues can be extremely difficult to deal with. Just look at Billy Gunn or Randy Orton.