Bigfoot. Is it possible they exist?

[MARTIAN]

There's been hundreds of years worth of exploration of the United States. Nearly every square foot of it has been set foot on at one point of time or another. There is a reason we don't discover new 100+ lb species anymore, and that's because we've found them all. When is the last time a substantially sized creature was discovered in North America? A long ass time ago.

While it's practically impossible for large apes with sufficient breeding populations ( tens of thousands) to exist in North America while avoiding detection, assuming "nearly every square foot has been set on" is ridiculous. How many times during a hike in the PNW have you ventured off the trail and attempted to traverse the almost impossibly dense brush. You're underestimating the vastness of the forests stretching from California to the Yukon. With that said; there is still no way a bigfoot like creature exists in North America, and every reputable scientist would agree with that.

My folks have a cottage on two acres in central Ontario and 3/4 of the property is impossible to trek through. There's a reason deer, bear and moose follow paths carved into the brush. Even a bigfoot would have created pathways to follow like the other large mammals.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Did you hear about the Bigfoot? No what did the Bigfoot do? Girl, lemme tell you a story...

I don't know why, but this got a legit out-loud laugh from me.

I think it's because I immediately flashed back to that woman throwing an entire table across the room during a massive brawl and then catching a chair thrown at her head, all without losing her purse.

Edit: found it.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

To me it's more a byproduct of accepting the notion we don't have everything figured out, and we never will, which by itself makes the world a more exciting places since discovery can be had around every corner. It's almost that Palahniuk sensibility of never being complete, finding the beauty in such tragedy.

At the same time, things like Bigfoot deviate a bit from reality. It's not finding beauty in the tragic so much as it is reveling in baseless gossip. Did you hear about the Bigfoot? No what did the Bigfoot do? Girl, lemme tell you a story...

Nothing wrong with that notion , we certainly do not have everything figured out. We do however know enough about this particular thing to put it to bed though , or at least to stop " serious" discussion.

I get what you mean though.

" we've all got a little Lewis and Clark in us"

 

[DoomPatrol]

While it's practically impossible for large apes with sufficient breeding populations ( tens of thousands) to exist in North America while avoiding detection, assuming "nearly every square foot has been set on" is ridiculous. How many times during a hike in the PNW have you ventured off the trail and attempted to traverse the almost impossibly dense brush. You're underestimating the vastness of the forests stretching from California to the Yukon. With that said; there is still no way a bigfoot like creature exists in North America, and every reputable scientist would agree with that.

My folks have a cottage on two acres in central Ontario and 3/4 of the property is impossible to trek through. There's a reason deer, bear and moose follow paths carved into the brush. Even a bigfoot would have created pathways to follow like the other large mammals.

Dude hunters and explorers go off the beaten path all the time. Most of those trails didn't even exist when they were first explored. So ignoring the fact that native americans didn't kill a single bigfoot in their entire time in America before whitey came over, nobody tromping through the woods since then has killed a bigfoot either.

Is there a single other animal, regardless of it's rarity in North America where a specimen has eluded hunters? Even the most rare creatures on this continent are found all the damn time. You guys act like it's the 1700s with the New World left to be explored. It's not. We've been across this country and back millions of times over. Nobody has killed a single bigfoot. It's stupid to believe there's a creature like that "hiding" from us. No other species in the order Primates has remained so hidden. Most all of them give little shits about us finding and seeing them. Why would this species be different than every other one?

 

[ralphc1]

Bob Heironimus wore the suit in the Patterson film and took a lie detector test to prove he is telling the truth.



Nobody else involved, who claim it wasn't Bob in a suit, have ever taken a lie detector test though they were asked.

 

[MARTIAN]

Dude hunters and explorers go off the beaten path all the time. Most of those trails didn't even exist when they were first explored. So ignoring the fact that native americans didn't kill a single bigfoot in their entire time in America before whitey came over, nobody tromping through the woods since then has killed a bigfoot either.

Is there a single other animal, regardless of it's rarity in North America where a specimen has eluded hunters? Even the most rare creatures on this continent are found all the damn time. You guys act like it's the 1700s with the New World left to be explored. It's not. We've been across this country and back millions of times over. Nobody has killed a single bigfoot. It's stupid to believe there's a creature like that "hiding" from us. No other species in the order Primates has remained so hidden. Most all of them give little shits about us finding and seeing them. Why would this species be different than every other one?

I'm agreeing with you dude. You're preaching to the choir. I was just saying that you're underestimating the sheer size of the north American forests.

 

[minute bull]

But is the lie detector Squatch-calibrated?

 

[DoomPatrol]

I'm agreeing with you dude. You're preaching to the choir. I was just saying that you're underestimating the sheer size of the north American forests.

I understand how large our country is. I've been to many of these forests you keep pretending I don't know about. They aren't as unexplored as you think. There are tons of people who go out deep sauce in these places.

 

[Cuzcatlan]

Got ya, I'd never heard of that group , thanks for linking that . I find it interesting that so many otherwise intelligent and rational people are willing to forgo a logical appraisal of the facts to indulge the fantasy. I guess its sort of similar how the world is more interesting and exciting when you believe in Santa Claus. Who wouldn't want that too be true?

Best example of this is Graham Hancock. He wrote books like fingerprints of the gods. He comes up with these fantastic theories of ancient history. He basically believes that "that traditional history is boring". I think people just want to believe in supernatural stuff. Maybe gives them hope that they can tap into something supernatural and save them from their boring lives.

 

[ralphc1]

Such a revelation would have quite the effect on the human population. Who knows what results such information rippling through the mass consciousness would have? Seems like a potentially volatile thing considering all the beliefs people hold, both religiously and scientifically.

Pictures posted on the internet would likely be met with as much doubt as every video, audio, and story ever told about the subject. People would demand proof of authenticity, and that cannot be done without handing over the remains to another party for testing.

How many layers of tin foil in your hat? Another large primate creates no threat to any science or religion that I know of. There are many believers who have tested what they were certain were bigfoot hair, blood or scat that turned out to be from other animals. Do bigfoot carry away their urine and feces too? Maybe that's why they smell so bad?

 

[MARTIAN]

I understand how large our country is. I've been to many of these forests you keep pretending I don't know about. They aren't as unexplored as you think. There are tons of people who go out deep sauce in these places.

I'm a hunter myself and understand what you're saying. I was just quoting your "almost every square foot" claim.

 

[MARTIAN]

How many layers of tin foil in your hat? Another large primate creates no threat to any science or religion that I know of. There are many believers who have tested what they were certain were bigfoot hair, blood or scat that turned out to be from other animals. Do bigfoot carry away their urine and feces too? Maybe that's why they smell so bad?

Lol. I find the cover up aspect of the bigfoot conspiracy the most hilarious part. History had a show called America's Book of Secrets and they dedicated an episode to a government cover up at the highest level. Makes no sense to me that anyone would out any sort of effort into hiding bigfoot. What's the endgame? Don't want people to freak out? Hide the grizzly bears.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

I'm a hunter myself and understand what you're saying. I was just quoting your "almost every square foot" claim.

Using the word " unexplored" in reference to any area of appreciable size in the lower 48 of the US is pie in the sky naive.

 

[Coffee79]

Bob Heironimus wore the suit in the Patterson film and took a lie detector test to prove he is telling the truth.


Nobody else involved, who claim it wasn't Bob in a suit, have ever taken a lie detector test though they were asked.

I read Patterson passed a lie detector test.

 

[RoadKing Custom]

Using the word " unexplored" in reference to any area of appreciable size in the lower 48 of the US is pie in the sky naive.

I'm not to bright.. Help me understand what you mean here?

 

[DoomPatrol]

You haven't seen one.........but plenty of people have. They've been shot, trapped , hit by cars , photographed and video taped. They are accounted for in the fossil record. Youre a smart dude , what's your gun to your head yes or no answer?

Your last sentence is very indicative of what drives this whole irrational phenomenon.

" But I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE in the possibility they could exist"

That's exactly my point too. No other North American species, especially at the size we are talking, is so elusive. Even the most rare of species are seen regularly. Native Americans lived here for thousands of years, and they had zero bigfoot bodies. They had everything else from bison to grizzly. No bigfoot. A species that large would be seen. I don't care how dense the Pacific Northwest forests are. I've been in them. Regardless of how dense they are, nothing like that has been hiding in the woods for centuries.

 

[andnowweknow]

You haven't seen one.........but plenty of people have. They've been shot, trapped , hit by cars , photographed and video taped. They are accounted for in the fossil record. Youre a smart dude , what's your gun to your head yes or no answer?

Your last sentence is very indicative of what drives this whole irrational phenomenon.

" But I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE in the possibility they could exist"

his point, along with mine and many others, is that the "we would have proof by now" argument is shit. There is far too much remote territory in the US alone to rule out the existence of large mammals we don't know about.

 

[andnowweknow]

That's exactly my point too. No other North American species, especially at the size we are talking, is so elusive. Even the most rare of species are seen regularly. Native Americans lived here for thousands of years, and they had zero bigfoot bodies. They had everything else from bison to grizzly. No bigfoot. A species that large would be seen. I don't care how dense the Pacific Northwest forests are. I've been in them. Regardless of how dense they are, nothing like that has been hiding in the woods for centuries.

ok...it's possible there are multiple species, large species, we don't know about. I think everyone would agree that there are probably hundreds if not thousands of smaller species in the pacific northwest that nobody has ever recorded.

None of this speaks to the validity of bigfoot or anything like it...but the argument it can't exist because we would have found it is dumb.

 

[MusclesMarinara]

You haven't seen one.........but plenty of people have. They've been shot, trapped , hit by cars , photographed and video taped. They are accounted for in the fossil record. Youre a smart dude , what's your gun to your head yes or no answer?

Your last sentence is very indicative of what drives this whole irrational phenomenon.

" But I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE in the possibility they could exist"

Life isn't always a simple as yes/ no answers... But if reduced to these two choices I would have to answer 'no' as biased by the lack of hard mainstream evidence.
Claiming fossil record is a bit of a stretch as bigfoot can not clearly defined as either of the two species that I am familiar with the association. (those being gigantopithecus and homo heidelbergensis)

Regarding your last statement, there is plenty of room for speculation in the world. Religions with divine figureheads are based on speculation, much as there is speculation that there is life on other planets. If you mentioned you believe in either of these it would not likely be scoffed at. Would you believe there are yet to be discovered forms of life in the ocean? how about on land, anywhere?

 

[DoomPatrol]

ok...it's possible there are multiple species, large species, we don't know about. I think everyone would agree that there are probably hundreds if not thousands of smaller species in the pacific northwest that nobody has ever recorded.

None of this speaks to the validity of bigfoot or anything like it...but the argument it can't exist because we would have found it is dumb.

No it's not. What planet do you live on where large species are roaming our woods with us never seeing them? In fact, when is the last time a new large 200+ lb species has been discovered in North America.... I'll wait.

Because if it's possible, then we'd have found some. You guys are ridiculous.