Bigfoot. Is it possible they exist?

[D Train]

I'd love to know if any of the sighting during the Vietnam War were documented by the army.

First I'm hearing of this. Can you elaborate?

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

First I'm hearing of this. Can you elaborate?

I remember listening to coast to coast one night while at work to pass the time and a nam vet called and talked about his group getting trapped in a jungle by this giant ape thing that kept circling around them through out the night and they were scared absolutely shitless and wouldnt move out. When dawn broke and they could see their surroundings he said the Forrest around them was all wrecked to hell by whatever that was rampaging about.

I mean of course it could all be pulled out of the ass of a troll on the radio but it was scary as hell to hear and a good enough reason for me not to go wandering in the jungle or woods.

 

[BearGrounds]

First I'm hearing of this. Can you elaborate?

Batutut is what they're called in that part of the world.

There's an encounter that's talked about in this book, according to wiki. I haven't read it.

 

[BearGrounds]

Terrible argument. Sorry D. They do and scavengers scatter remains. I've happened upon remains of large animals before and if these animals were out there. There would have been definitive proof and at some point a body would have showed up. Especially considering all the different habitats where they have been "observed"

Perhaps, perhaps not. Maybe these creatures dispose of their dead in a manner that makes it unlikely the remains are found by wondering humans.

Added to that, supposedly there numbers are small. I have seen bears around, but never happened across a dead one in all my years of hiking. Deer skulls I have found - off trail.

I also wonder, if legit remains were discovered by some random person, would news of it even make it to the public, or would it be confiscated by authorities in order to control the release of the information? It's not like whoever finds it is going to have the means by which to analyze the bones. Not unless they themselves are a scientist with access to labs and testing technology.

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

Perhaps, perhaps not. Maybe these creatures dispose of their dead in a manner that makes it unlikely the remains are found by wondering humans.

Added to that, supposedly there numbers are small. I have seen bears around, but never happened across a dead one in all my years of hiking. Deer skulls I have found - off trail.

I also wonder, if legit remains were discovered by some random person, would news of it even make it to the public, or would it be confiscated by authorities in order to control the release of the information? It's not like whoever finds it is going to have the means by which to analyze the bones. Not unless they themselves are a scientist with access to labs and testing technology.

Why would they do it? And they'd have to know the person has the remains before they can take them.

I suppose if a person finds Bigfoot remains, or remains he thinks may be Bigfoot, he would post pictures on the internet ASAP.

 

[BearGrounds]

Why would they do it? And they'd have to know the person has the remains before they can take them.

I suppose if a person finds Bigfoot remains, or remains he thinks may be Bigfoot, he would post pictures on the internet ASAP.

Such a revelation would have quite the effect on the human population. Who knows what results such information rippling through the mass consciousness would have? Seems like a potentially volatile thing considering all the beliefs people hold, both religiously and scientifically.

Pictures posted on the internet would likely be met with as much doubt as every video, audio, and story ever told about the subject. People would demand proof of authenticity, and that cannot be done without handing over the remains to another party for testing.

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

Such a revelation would have quite the effect on the human population. Who knows what results such information rippling through the mass consciousness would have? Seems like a potentially volatile thing considering all the beliefs people hold, both religiously and scientifically.

Pictures posted on the internet would likely be met with as much doubt as every video, audio, and story ever told about the subject. People would demand proof of authenticity, and that cannot be done without handing over the remains to another party for testing.

I don't think it would have more effect than other scientific discoveries to be honest. It would be a newly discovered animal. Would be cool, would be big news and it would be talked about a lot. I suppose the biggest problem it may cause would be that even more people may go looking for it.

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

I went trekking in Bhutan for about 3 weeks a few years ago. All the locals there believe it exists and have stories of it.

Unfortunatly I didn't see anything or hear anything the entire trek even though all the guides and everybody at the villages we overnighted in claimed it was prime Bigfoot territory.

I wanted to see one so damn bad but nope.

There's a big ass lake in xinjiange called kanas and its spectacular to see, there's stories of a lake monster in there too. When I went I didn't see a damn thing, but like a month after I was there somebody put up a video of something strange in the water. Probably just a big ass fish but still would have been awesome to see.

There have also been several sighting around New Mexico where I grew up and spent a shit load of time hunting, in all those years, I only had one thing ever happen that I could t just explain away.

What kind of experience, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[MMouse]

The Patterson gimping film showed up around the time the planet of the apes films were being made and the people making planet of the apes weren't capable of recreating the Patterson gimlin film.

That film is real.

Interesting to say the least.

That had to be a rare ape or even one of the very few existing.

 

[BearGrounds]

I don't think it would have more effect than other scientific discoveries to be honest. It would be a newly discovered animal. Would be cool, would be big news and it would be talked about a lot.

You could be right, but it depends on what their existence implies. If it requires we completely question what we've been taught about our origins, the disappearance of Neanderthal, etc. it could have a serious impact in a disruptive way.

People might also be largely frightened by the news, causing some irrational responses. Many a person's worldview would need readjusting.

I suppose the biggest problem it may cause would be that even more people may go looking for it.

That alone could be quite problematic, considering we cannot even stop poachers from killing elephants for ivory or hunting down endangered rhinos. Not to mention what we did to the wolves here in the states in the 60s. Lots of hunters out there I'm sure would love themselves a Bigfoot trophy.

 

[ironwolf]

What kind of experience, if you don't mind me asking?

Sure man. It's a long story but here it goes.

I was on a hunting trip in northern New Mexico and we were looking to get elk, nothing new but it was a new area. After a week of getting skunked and not getting anything it was the very last day and my buddy was feeling burned it and tired from all the hiking and climbing so I decided to go out alone the last day.

I used a gps and a topographical map to plan a route that would end up being a loop of about 14-15 miles total and I knew that if I got an early start it wouldn't be a problem. I left that morning at about 4:30am carrying an empty pack (hoping to fill it up) and my 338 win mag, a bit of water and some food.

The plan was to work my way through a valley that dropped a few thousand feet in the first few miles, sort of loop around and come back up a ridge and skirt the ridge at about 9,000 feet and drop back to our camp.

I didn't see anything that day, absolutely nothing and no traces of anything, I worked my way out of the valley exactly like I'd planned and eventually gained a lot of elevation onto the ridge just as planned.

The strange stuff started about 5 miles from camp on the ridge. I was probably ~ 100-150 feet from the top of the ridge in the woods working through the forest, looking down the slope was just deep forest with ahitloads of fallen trees, I can clearly remember thinking that if a bear charged from up the ridge, I'd probably make it about 10 feet before getting all fucked up in the fallen trees.

Looking up towards the top of the ridge I could see daylight through the trees but they were very thick, I could tell where the top of the ridge was though.

So I was hiking along and I heard a huge SNAP like a very big branch being broken. I stopped right there and looked up the slope but couldn't see much, I kept thinking I was seeing movement but the trees were really think like I said.

At that point I was thinking it was a bear and I was a little worried because even though the 338 would floor a bear, the magnification of the scope would make it damn near impossible to shoot a running bear from the distance I was dealing with. I kept the rifle up but left the safety on (but had my thumb right over the safety, Remington 700). I continued hiking along the ridge and heard another huge SNAP even louder but still coming from up the slope, this was probably 75 yards from where the first one happened. Again I stopped and faced up the slope and I know for certain I saw movement in the trees but I couldn't make anything out.

The thing I was thinking about is that me and my friend were the only people in the area, for somebody to get to this point from another access road would have they would have to walk about 30 miles I guessed at the time (later, after doing some map work I found that distance would actually be about 41 miles...no person is doing that).

I continued hiking and again SNAP...I was really thinking "what the fuck it that" bears don't do that. I got to a point where I had to walk across an area about 100 yards across where there was no trees, in that opening I could see the actual top of the ridge not obscured by the trees. It was getting a bit late and I can clearly remember thinking "fuck this I want to get out of here before it gets dark" I was really feeling freaked out.

I crossed the opening and looked back, couldn't see anything but I could hear rocks moving like something walking across the scree. I got back into the trees and made it probably another 200 yards and another SNAP but it seemed closer and I definetly saw movement in the trees, there was nothing to shoot at though, the light was bad, the brush was thick and I doubt I could have made any sort of good shot anyways.

I continued on and I didn't hear anymore snaps, but for the next few miles I was hearing movement on the ridge above me.

Finally I got to a trail which I knew I would because of the map and once on the trail it was about a mile to camp and I could
Move much quicker as there was an actual trail.

I booked it like fuck on that trail and got back, asked my friend if anybody he'd been up there, hikers maybe...nope. Asked him
If he'd heard or seen anything...nope.

I've always guessed that it was probably a hungry bear stalking me but that doesn't explain the snaps and I've also not known black bears to stalk people.

I don't know, I'm not saying it's Bigfoot but it sure as fuck wasn't anything of experienced before or since. Cats are quiet, bears are skidish, elk/deer don't follow people.

I don't know. I hung that map in my study with the highlighter marking the route and it's always seemed strange to me. This was back in 2007.

 

[ironwolf]

I also find it interesting that in the western United States there's literally hundreds of places named after apes. Ape canyon etc, etc.

 

[ironwolf]

Interesting to say the least.

That had to be a rare ape or even one of the very few existing.

That's actually what I've thought for a long time as well, likely that at one point there were a few dozen of these and people saw them, now weather or not they are still around is the question.

Here in China it's known as the yeren, and the area where people claim to have seen them is a massive wilderness and interestingly enough, after the sightings some years ago, the government closed the area to tourists.

In that wilderness there are Stone Age carvings of Bigfoot type things and there's a few old stories about soldiers killing one.

 

[BearGrounds]

Sure man. It's a long story but here it goes.

Spoiler

I was on a hunting trip in northern New Mexico and we were looking to get elk, nothing new but it was a new area. After a week of getting skunked and not getting anything it was the very last day and my buddy was feeling burned it and tired from all the hiking and climbing so I decided to go out alone the last day.

I used a gps and a topographical map to plan a route that would end up being a loop of about 14-15 miles total and I knew that if I got an early start it wouldn't be a problem. I left that morning at about 4:30am carrying an empty pack (hoping to fill it up) and my 338 win mag, a bit of water and some food.

The plan was to work my way through a valley that dropped a few thousand feet in the first few miles, sort of loop around and come back up a ridge and skirt the ridge at about 9,000 feet and drop back to our camp.

I didn't see anything that day, absolutely nothing and no traces of anything, I worked my way out of the valley exactly like I'd planned and eventually gained a lot of elevation onto the ridge just as planned.

The strange stuff started about 5 miles from camp on the ridge. I was probably ~ 100-150 feet from the top of the ridge in the woods working through the forest, looking down the slope was just deep forest with ahitloads of fallen trees, I can clearly remember thinking that if a bear charged from up the ridge, I'd probably make it about 10 feet before getting all fucked up in the fallen trees.

Looking up towards the top of the ridge I could see daylight through the trees but they were very thick, I could tell where the top of the ridge was though.

So I was hiking along and I heard a huge SNAP like a very big branch being broken. I stopped right there and looked up the slope but couldn't see much, I kept thinking I was seeing movement but the trees were really think like I said.

At that point I was thinking it was a bear and I was a little worried because even though the 338 would floor a bear, the magnification of the scope would make it damn near impossible to shoot a running bear from the distance I was dealing with. I kept the rifle up but left the safety on (but had my thumb right over the safety, Remington 700). I continued hiking along the ridge and heard another huge SNAP even louder but still coming from up the slope, this was probably 75 yards from where the first one happened. Again I stopped and faced up the slope and I know for certain I saw movement in the trees but I couldn't make anything out.

The thing I was thinking about is that me and my friend were the only people in the area, for somebody to get to this point from another access road would have they would have to walk about 30 miles I guessed at the time (later, after doing some map work I found that distance would actually be about 41 miles...no person is doing that).

I continued hiking and again SNAP...I was really thinking "what the fuck it that" bears don't do that. I got to a point where I had to walk across an area about 100 yards across where there was no trees, in that opening I could see the actual top of the ridge not obscured by the trees. It was getting a bit late and I can clearly remember thinking "fuck this I want to get out of here before it gets dark" I was really feeling freaked out.

I crossed the opening and looked back, couldn't see anything but I could hear rocks moving like something walking across the scree. I got back into the trees and made it probably another 200 yards and another SNAP but it seemed closer and I definetly saw movement in the trees, there was nothing to shoot at though, the light was bad, the brush was thick and I doubt I could have made any sort of good shot anyways.

I continued on and I didn't hear anymore snaps, but for the next few miles I was hearing movement on the ridge above me.

Finally I got to a trail which I knew I would because of the map and once on the trail it was about a mile to camp and I could
Move much quicker as there was an actual trail.

I booked it like fuck on that trail and got back, asked my friend if anybody he'd been up there, hikers maybe...nope. Asked him
If he'd heard or seen anything...nope.

I've always guessed that it was probably a hungry bear stalking me but that doesn't explain the snaps and I've also not known black bears to stalk people.

I don't know, I'm not saying it's Bigfoot but it sure as fuck wasn't anything of experienced before or since. Cats are quiet, bears are skidish, elk/deer don't follow people.

I don't know. I hung that map in my study with the highlighter marking the route and it's always seemed strange to me. This was back in 2007.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Many stories that are told involve similar experiences of seemingly being stalked/watched and intimidated. I've read about people having rocks thrown at them from the woods as well as hearing strange and frightening calls.

The retired ranger who claims they exist, and are known about, said they're territorial creatures and will break off saplings at around 6/7 feet up to indicate their area. He also said their mating season is in the fall, and that there's increased activity during that time of year.

 

[MMouse]

That's actually what I've thought for a long time as well, likely that at one point there were a few dozen of these and people saw them, now weather or not they are still around is the question.

Here in China it's known as the yeren, and the area where people claim to have seen them is a massive wilderness and interestingly enough, after the sightings some years ago, the government closed the area to tourists.

In that wilderness there are Stone Age carvings of Bigfoot type things and there's a few old stories about soldiers killing one.

It make sense.

Especially with evolution, they most likely were near extinction. Everyone makes a fiasco about it when really it's just a few of its kind in the world. Just like any other rare animals out there.

It would be cool though if they were able to do more studies on these gigantic apes (big foot).

I'm curious as to how they speak, think, their strength, interaction with other apes and what not.

 

[ironwolf]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Many stories that are told involve similar experiences of seemingly being stalked/watched and intimidated. I've read about people having rocks thrown at them from the woods as well as hearing strange and frightening calls.

The retired ranger who claims they exist, and are known about, said they're territorial creatures and will break off saplings at around 6/7 feet up to indicate their area. He also said their mating season is in the fall, and that there's increased activity during that time of year.

I've read about rocks being thrown and I actually found a story that took place quite near where this happened that involved rock throwing.

I didn't hear the howling or anything but it was incredibly intimidating, it's like something was there that could see me but I couldn't see it.

I know bears can break branches and saplings, I've just never heard of a bear following somebody and breaking multiple things.

Every time I've seen a black bear (no Browns in nm) they are hauling ass away from you so fast that it's just a blur.

Interesting about the mating season in the fall as this was in the fall.

 

[kahiljabroni]

My question is who cares? Not a dimes worth of difference between a sasquatch and a grizzly or a gorilla. Enjoy the amazing creatures that we know exist imo.

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

Spoiler

Sure man. It's a long story but here it goes.

I was on a hunting trip in northern New Mexico and we were looking to get elk, nothing new but it was a new area. After a week of getting skunked and not getting anything it was the very last day and my buddy was feeling burned it and tired from all the hiking and climbing so I decided to go out alone the last day.

I used a gps and a topographical map to plan a route that would end up being a loop of about 14-15 miles total and I knew that if I got an early start it wouldn't be a problem. I left that morning at about 4:30am carrying an empty pack (hoping to fill it up) and my 338 win mag, a bit of water and some food.

The plan was to work my way through a valley that dropped a few thousand feet in the first few miles, sort of loop around and come back up a ridge and skirt the ridge at about 9,000 feet and drop back to our camp.

I didn't see anything that day, absolutely nothing and no traces of anything, I worked my way out of the valley exactly like I'd planned and eventually gained a lot of elevation onto the ridge just as planned.

The strange stuff started about 5 miles from camp on the ridge. I was probably ~ 100-150 feet from the top of the ridge in the woods working through the forest, looking down the slope was just deep forest with ahitloads of fallen trees, I can clearly remember thinking that if a bear charged from up the ridge, I'd probably make it about 10 feet before getting all fucked up in the fallen trees.

Looking up towards the top of the ridge I could see daylight through the trees but they were very thick, I could tell where the top of the ridge was though.

So I was hiking along and I heard a huge SNAP like a very big branch being broken. I stopped right there and looked up the slope but couldn't see much, I kept thinking I was seeing movement but the trees were really think like I said.

At that point I was thinking it was a bear and I was a little worried because even though the 338 would floor a bear, the magnification of the scope would make it damn near impossible to shoot a running bear from the distance I was dealing with. I kept the rifle up but left the safety on (but had my thumb right over the safety, Remington 700). I continued hiking along the ridge and heard another huge SNAP even louder but still coming from up the slope, this was probably 75 yards from where the first one happened. Again I stopped and faced up the slope and I know for certain I saw movement in the trees but I couldn't make anything out.

The thing I was thinking about is that me and my friend were the only people in the area, for somebody to get to this point from another access road would have they would have to walk about 30 miles I guessed at the time (later, after doing some map work I found that distance would actually be about 41 miles...no person is doing that).

I continued hiking and again SNAP...I was really thinking "what the fuck it that" bears don't do that. I got to a point where I had to walk across an area about 100 yards across where there was no trees, in that opening I could see the actual top of the ridge not obscured by the trees. It was getting a bit late and I can clearly remember thinking "fuck this I want to get out of here before it gets dark" I was really feeling freaked out.

I crossed the opening and looked back, couldn't see anything but I could hear rocks moving like something walking across the scree. I got back into the trees and made it probably another 200 yards and another SNAP but it seemed closer and I definetly saw movement in the trees, there was nothing to shoot at though, the light was bad, the brush was thick and I doubt I could have made any sort of good shot anyways.

I continued on and I didn't hear anymore snaps, but for the next few miles I was hearing movement on the ridge above me.

Finally I got to a trail which I knew I would because of the map and once on the trail it was about a mile to camp and I could
Move much quicker as there was an actual trail.

I booked it like fuck on that trail and got back, asked my friend if anybody he'd been up there, hikers maybe...nope. Asked him
If he'd heard or seen anything...nope.

I've always guessed that it was probably a hungry bear stalking me but that doesn't explain the snaps and I've also not known black bears to stalk people.

I don't know, I'm not saying it's Bigfoot but it sure as fuck wasn't anything of experienced before or since. Cats are quiet, bears are skidish, elk/deer don't follow people.

I don't know. I hung that map in my study with the highlighter marking the route and it's always seemed strange to me. This was back in 2007.

Interesting story! Thanks for sharing. I can definately see why that's a very intimidating situation.

 

[Tyrannosaurus rex]

You could be right, but it depends on what their existence implies. If it requires we completely question what we've been taught about our origins, the disappearance of Neanderthal, etc. it could have a serious impact in a disruptive way.

People might also be largely frightened by the news, causing some irrational responses. Many a person's worldview would need readjusting.



That alone could be quite problematic, considering we cannot even stop poachers from killing elephants for ivory or hunting down endangered rhinos. Not to mention what we did to the wolves here in the states in the 60s. Lots of hunters out there I'm sure would love themselves a Bigfoot trophy.

If it changes what we think about our origins, it would be extremely interesting and important information. Covering that up would just be stupid. And for what? The fear that some religious people can't deal with it? Most people barely know anything about human origins, or evolution in general anyway. A lot of people don't even give a shit. So IMO only a few extremely religious people will cause problems. But what are they going to do anyway? Recite more stuff from the Bible? Also, people's worldviews have already been adjusted many times over.

Hunting may become a problem. I'll give you that. I do think a lot of hunters may try to kill one. But, it isn't the 60s and USA isn't Africa or Asia. I think they'd be better able to protect a species in the USA than in Africa or so. But, I must admit I don't know a whole lot about that stuff. So that's just speculation/opinion on my part.

 

[ironwolf]

I was supposed to believe Honda could beat Cain so why not.

lol ironwolf's friend trolling him on the last day of their hunt.

Hah nah. it wouldn't be possible, whatever it was was behind me as I headed towards the camp where my friend had a campfire going already.

Plus he wouldn't be stupid enough to be running around out there when I hunting...he isn't trying to get shot with a high powered rifle lol.