Bigfoot. Is it possible they exist?

[BearGrounds]

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Call it "unfrequented" or "unexplored" or "explored"... this is one Wilderness Area in one state. There is simply to much ground to cover to understand what really goes on out there.

Yup, it's expansive. The designated area taken together is larger than the state of California. We're visitors out there at best, and I wouldn't doubt that "unfrequented" is a generous term for some portions of it.

Nice pictures BTW.

 

[Mr Jay]

Nice poor little victim bitch response! Go back and read the thread , you started in first with the " youre not very good at this are you" , " reading is tough for you huh " ECT . How do you expect the conversation to go after you start with that snippy shit? Youve junked up this thread enough with your estrogen laden walls of text. We can take it PM if you'd like to continue .

Dear Al,

I'm deeply sorry I made you upset in this thread. It troubles me knowing that I have impacted you so greatly, in this thread about Sasquatches. I'm glad you were able to find comfort in BearGrounds, who consoled you while you were crying about all of the mean things I have done to you. Since you have an obvious need to decompress and seek acknowledgement from me, feel free to send me a private message. My inbox is open to you and I will gladly respond. Please accept this as my formal apology.

Be well, my Mathematical Prince.

My warmest regards,
Mr. Jay (AKA Mr. Clownshoes (You are as clever with insults as you are with your own name, Al Gorithm)) and the people who don't want to read our bullshit anymore

 

[MusclesMarinara]

Back again huh ya twink? Nothing that sniveling wall of shit that requires a response . Your previous work in this thread is more a testament to your intellectual impairment than I could hope to convey with a few dig quips' anyhow.


Ps : Did you catch that mermaid " body found " special on Discovery the other day? Probably something you'd take an interest in. I hear its legit

Woah woah. mermaid the body found is a story told in allegory. The purpose of this show is not to convince people there are mermaids, but to convince people to stop polluting the oceans.
The again, maybe you took ' cannibal in the jungle ' at face value as well.

Al you an J garner need to take it down a notch. I was you at one point in my life. It's a rhetorical discussion.

 

[Nooby Doo]

I really want there to be a Bigfoot out there and there is some interesting evidence but I wouldn't say I'm a believer.

 

[MusclesMarinara]

I wasn't trying to insult you. And you don't need to be an expert in prehistoric zoology to understand that the fossil record is incredibly sparse. Let me just ask you a quick question

I'll qualify myself prior to answering. I am not an an expert in prehistoric animals. I'm an engineer/ researcher.

My understanding, is that evolution is slow and gradual. I would expect the first humans to differ slightly from the current modern human but be different enough from it's predacesors to be a different species.
Canned? I know. But it is the best response.

In reference to the fossil record statement : Asia is a different land mass than north America. As sparse as fossil records are , it's a huge jump to say a record found in one place could be found circum- globular.

 

[Kick Strickland]

What do you call a group of them? Bigfoots? Bigfeet?

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Dear Al,

I'm deeply sorry I made you upset in this thread. It troubles me knowing that I have impacted you so greatly, in this thread about Sasquatches. I'm glad you were able to find comfort in BearGrounds, who consoled you while you were crying about all of the mean things I have done to you. Since you have an obvious need to decompress and seek acknowledgement from me, feel free to send me a private message. My inbox is open to you and I will gladly respond. Please accept this as my formal apology.

Be well, my Mathematical Prince.

My warmest regards,
Mr. Jay (AKA Mr. Clownshoes (You are as clever with insults as you are with your own name, Al Gorithm)) and the people who don't want to read our bullshit anymore

Thank you for the concession Jay , a nice gesture, even if unnecessary. I feel like I should be apologizing to you though, a man doesn't reply with 3 or 4 paragraphs to a post that doesn't get to him , and you did that in this thread.................a lot. sorry for fucking with your blood pressure.

 

[minute bull]

What do you call a group of them?

They call themselves the Four Horsewomen!

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Woah woah. mermaid the body found is a story told in allegory. The purpose of this show is not to convince people there are mermaids, but to convince people to stop polluting the oceans.
The again, maybe you took ' cannibal in the jungle ' at face value as well.

Al you an J garner need to take it down a notch. I was you at one point in my life. It's a rhetorical discussion.

Its not a rhetorical question, its just a regular question . You gave your answer, which happens to align with a pretty weak position and got defensive when what should've been expected criticism was encountered.......the end.


You're likely not quite old enough to try the son routine with me , but thanks anyway for concern that ill assume comes from a genuine place

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Double post

 

[Mr Jay]

Thank you for the concession Jay , a nice gesture, even if unnecessary. I feel like I should be apologizing to you though, a man doesn't reply with 3 or 4 paragraphs to a post that doesn't get to him , and you did that in this thread.................a lot. sorry for fucking with your blood pressure.

No private message? Didn't think so.

 

[andnowweknow]

I'll qualify myself prior to answering. I am not an an expert in prehistoric animals. I'm an engineer/ researcher.

My understanding, is that evolution is slow and gradual. I would expect the first humans to differ slightly from the current modern human but be different enough from it's predacesors to be a different species.
Canned? I know. But it is the best response.

In reference to the fossil record statement : Asia is a different land mass than north America. As sparse as fossil records are , it's a huge jump to say a record found in one place could be found circum- globular.

I don't disagree with any of that exactly, however, we do know now that people were in North and South America MUCH earlier than previously thought, and that it's likely that these people didn't necessarily need to have come from Asia via the land bridge and down through the cordillaran and the laurentide corridor of ice sheets that covered most all of Canada and parts of the northern US.

Prehistory in general is so poorly told in fact, that up until 2007 the entire narrative of pre-history for both humans and animals was being told without knowledge that multiple comet fragments hit the planet and caused the greatest mass extinction on earth since the rock that killed the dinosaurs. I don't think people really understand how veiled the history of this planet it pre-12,900 year ago and how little we know in any sort of detail about what was going on.

I'm digressing a little from the thread topic. It's amazing the amount dedicated scientists have uncovered about the past of this planets flora and fauna...but it's incredibly incomplete. On this thread specifically, we know that animals along the lines of "bigfoot" have existed and that there are large swaths of land all over the world that COULD house unknown animals.

 

[MusclesMarinara]

Its not a rhetorical question, its just a regular question . You gave your answer, which happens to align with a pretty weak position and got defensive when what should've been expected criticism was encountered.......the end.


You're likely not quite old enough to try the son routine with me , but thanks anyway for concern that ill assume comes from a genuine place

I most definitely am old enough to play the 'son' routine. However, I have respect for people and their perspectives.
I am not defensive. I have no vested interest in Bigfoot and have all ready claimed to be a skeptic. You on the other hand are operating under an agenda and are inhibiting an intelligent discussion because it doesn't align with your views.
I'd like to hear what you have to say on this subject. You have had your points. And it is always worthwhile hearings both sides of the argument. It's easier to hear you when you're not being insulting.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

People who are the pat themselves on the back type are the type that need pats on the back. I wouldn't sweat em. Majority of people ITT have been chill. Thanks for sharing.

No problem - just one of my "new" forum policies is to just not put up with thread posters who do not contribute positively to topics (mostly these and the paranormal ones - they're fun interesting topics).

Thank god for the ignore function.

 

[MusclesMarinara]

On the subject of remoteness; is it fair to say there are parts of the continental US, Canada, and Alaska that you could be the only human in a 10, 50 or 100 mile radius?
On the east coast even the 10 is doubtful. But the woods of Vermont have felt that way with the sun setting and trail.ahead.

 

[RoadKing Custom]

On the subject of remoteness; is it fair to say there are parts of the continental US, Canada, and Alaska that you could be the only human in a 10, 50 or 100 mile radius?
On the east coast even the 10 is doubtful. But the woods of Vermont have felt that way with the sun setting and trail.ahead.

I can't speak for all of the U.S., or any of Canada... But I can speak about Idaho and very easily you could be 100's and 100's and 100's of miles away from other humans.

But what's more telling than that is, in some of these deeply thick forested areas you could be less then 50 feet from someone or something, and not know they're there.

 

[DoomPatrol]

Man, is your underwear in a bunch in this thread. Let me reiterate to you why I thought Jgarner's comments were wrong. First of all, he called anyone who thinks Bigfoot could possibly exist retarded and among some reasons which are legitimate, he mentioned these 2:

1) they don't exist because Native Americans, Frontiersman and Hunters haven't killed one yet and if they did, someone would have Bigfoots bones or pelts around. I mentioned how this doesn't make any sense, because there are tons of Native Americans, Frontiersman and Hunters who strongly believe Bigfoot exists and part of his legend is because they couldn't find/kill Bigfoot. They believe he exists because of the noises they heard, or because of huge tracks they found, because of strange encounters they had, etc. It doesn't make much sense to say "They don't exist, just ask the Native Americans, Frontiersman, Hunters" when those same groups have been very vocal in them believing Sasquatch does exist. He also tasked people to provide DNA evidence through bones/pelts/ shit on the forest floor, etc. which is a ridiculous thing to ask people, especially when it concerns an animal which is legendary for it's elusiveness.

2) He keeps mentioning that Bigfoot couldn't exist in the US because it's a developed country and it has been completely explored. He also made the leap that Bigfoot couldn't be in North America, because North America is completely explored. I already pointed out to you both how Canada is a developed nation, about 9.85 million km2 in size, where most of the population lives in urban areas, leaving approximately 7 million Canadians spread out across 9.85 million km2. I have also pointed out, factually, with a source, claiming that there is a large part of Canada which has never had any recorded humans who walked across it. Some people say we essentially have an area the size of India in Canada that has never had humans walk across it. That's a pretty big area to be unexplored. And no, Satellites and helicopter rides don't really count as exploration.

You're getting so frothy mouthed it's sad at this point. Feel free to reply and tell me how right I am again, though. That was nice.

I'll admit calling everyone retarded was a bit much. I've tried to tone down the attacks. But I still feel like if you honestly think things are tromping through the woods under our nose you're being silly. There hasn't been a single large omnivore found in North America for a long time since America came up. If it was realistic that we've missed stuff, why are new species that aren't Bigfoot found anymore? The space needed for a viable population is just too large to stay hidden from society. That's really different than a big beaver dam.

 

[DoomPatrol]

Call it "unfrequented" or "unexplored" or "explored"... this is one Wilderness Area in one state. There is simply to much ground to cover to understand what really goes on out there.

I'll bet nobody has been where they took that picture!

 

[RoadKing Custom]

I'll bet nobody has been where they took that picture!

Have you ever been in a wilderness area? Or a national forest? Or any forest areas? If so, where? Which ones?

 

[Deleted member 429137]

lol at making Jgarner prove he's seen squirrels in person.

I have a huge respect, awe and even fear for how vast and unknowable true wilderness is. I worked briefly in the Northern Alberta oilfields and it was muskeg for hundreds of miles around (muskeg is basically a cold swamp). There was no firm ground whatsover: the oil industry had to install giant rubber pads then cover them with wood pallets and dirt in order to make roads and plateaus to put buildings on. And then they had to continuously replenish the dirt on top of these things because they were all slowly sinking into the muskeg.

There were constant warnings not to wander through the muskeg because you would likely sink to your death in muck. I have no idea how 600lbs bears and 1200lbs moose were able to traverse them freely.

There was one camp setup that blew my mind as an example of how impenetrable the entire area was. Camp A was within sight of Camp B -- each camp could see the other camp's lights at night -- but there was no road to connect them. You had to travel for three hours to get to the other camp.