Bigfoot. Is it possible they exist?

[Deleted member 409801]

It's perfectly understandable for someone to generally disbelieve due to the lack of physical evidence, yet still think it possible based on other factors. That seems to me to be that poster's stance.

Also, Canada is and has always been one of the regions in question ITT. However, neither Canada nor the US are special in this regard. As has been stated in the OP, there's names for these animals all over the world. Russia, Australia, Nepal, etc.



Jane Goodall (arguably the worlds foremost expert on chimps) thought it was possible that they were out there.

“I’ve talked to so many native Americans who all describe the same sounds, two who have seen them,”

Canadian Wildlife Biologist Dr. John Bindernagel:

“Wildlife biologists such as myself regularly depend on tracks and other wildlife sign as evidence for the presence of bears, deer, wolves, and other mammals, recognizing that tracks constitute a more reliable and persistent record of the presence of a mammal species in an area than a fleeting glimpse of the animal itself. I am satisfied that the Sasquatch is an extant (or ‘real’) animal, subject to study and examination like any other large mammal, and am much more concerned with addressing ecological questions such as how it overwinters in the colder regions of North America, than with dwelling on the controversy of whether it does or does not exist.”

It is perfectly reasonable for one to have doubts but still be open to the possibility, absolutely it is. That's not the problem with Mr " clown shoes " jay though. He scoffed at ridiculed the use of the lack of any solid as a silly excuse for not believing, not a " real " reason (its the main reason someone wouldn't believe, and rightly so). Instead of giving a " real " reason he just stomps his feet and levies the personal attacks before slinking off like a bitch. He talked himself into a corner and wasn't reasonable or intelligent enough to adjust his position, he just doubled down like most proud idiots do.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Dont know a lot about bigfoot stuff so i googled up hermoine or whatever the fuck his name is and found this counter article

http://undebunkingbigfoot.blogspot.com/2013/11/debunking-claimed-bigfoot-cosume-hoaxer.html

also the arm extender thing on the alleged costume doesnt really make sense. The arms would be all stiff and awkward when moved around. These are swinging around naturally

 

[MusclesMarinara]

Here's the problem with a northern dwelling ape...there aren't any, nor is there fossil recorded to support the existence of such a creature. The most cold tolerant primate is the macaque (outside of humans, of course). And macaques just don't get that big. Which would lend me down the homo heidelbergensis road.

The bigfoot footprint ( in my eyes) is misleading. I've seen this recreated as a double step of a bear. (ie the rear foot lands in and just to the rear of the fore foot, presenting an image of one track).

 

[BearGrounds]

It is perfectly reasonable for one to have doubts but still be open to the possibility, absolutely it is. That's not the problem with Mr " clown shoes " jay though. He scoffed at ridiculed the use of the lack of any solid as a silly excuse for not believing, not a " real " reason (its the main reason someone wouldn't believe, and rightly so). Instead of giving a " real " reason he just stomps his feet and levies the personal attacks before slinking off like a bitch. He talked himself into a corner and wasn't reasonable or intelligent enough to adjust his position, he just doubled down like most proud idiots do.

Not that I want to get too much into this, but the impression I got from his posts was that he attacked some arguments put forth by jgarner because he didn't like the manner in which jgarner was carrying himself ITT. His presence in the thread stems from there.

From that post it just seemed like you were implying that the people arguing it possible are all closet believers even if they claim otherwise, so that's why I replied. Apologies if that was a misread.

 

[andnowweknow]

The issue I have with gigantopithecus is the geographical range (in reference to the north american bigfoot). Further reading has indicated this species roamed, what is to be considered, modern day India, China, and Vietnam.
Perhaps this is a viable link to the yeti?

that's a beyond mildly naive take on the fossil record and how much is known about prehistoric animal populations and ranges. The fossil record is so sparse that geographical range approximations on something like gigantopithecus are slightly better than a wild guess.

 

[EvilDDS]

I worked in northern Ontario years ago and had a gf that swore she saw one when she was a kid. She used to live on one of the isolated reserves that you had to fly into, but once winter hit, then you could drive over the winter roads as the lakes froze over. Says she saw it while driving these temporary roads

While up there though, there were tons of forest fires every summer all throughout the region, so big and numerous that sometimes other fire guys had to be called in from all across the country.

Always wondered if such a thing existed, then their habitat had to be affected by these fires at some point.

Not discounting it but my belief is they don't exist.

Also, not sure if any serious investigations involved thermal imaging of any suspected areas but would be curious to hear what was found

 

[MusclesMarinara]

that's a beyond mildly naive take on the fossil record and how much is known about prehistoric animal populations and ranges. The fossil record is so sparse that geographical range approximations on something like gigantopithecus are slightly better than a wild guess.

Look.. I'm trying to engage the subject with a scientific approach. I've researched from a non-bigfoot bias finding points that are as close to fact as possible. The point of opening your statement by calling me 'naive' is entirely unnecessary.
Anyway... by what authority do you have to make the claim fossil record are insufficient for reporting geographical range? Are you an expert in prehistoric zoology?

 

[Deleted member 409801]

No apologies neccesar

Not that I want to get too much into this, but the impression I got from his posts was that he attacked some arguments put forth by jgarner because he didn't like the manner in which jgarner was carrying himself ITT. His presence in the thread stems from there.

From that post it just seemed like you were implying that the people arguing it possible are all closet believers even if they claim otherwise, so that's why I replied. Apologies if that was a misread.

No apology needed ma

I worked in northern Ontario years ago and had a gf that swore she saw one when she was a kid. She used to live on one of the isolated reserves that you had to fly into, but once winter hit, then you could drive over the winter roads as the lakes froze over. Says she saw it while driving these temporary roads

While up there though, there were tons of forest fires every summer all throughout the region, so big and numerous that sometimes other fire guys had to be called in from all across the country.

Always wondered if such a thing existed, then their habitat had to be affected by these fires at some point.

Not discounting it but my belief is they don't exist.

Also, not sure if any serious investigations involved thermal imaging of any suspected areas but would be curious to hear what was found

No apology needed man . I can appreciate curious speculation as much as the next guy , and I'm sure that's what most are doing in this thread. Its just a little hard to take the guy seriously when he turns his nose up at what is justifiably cited by skeptics.......an almost complete lack of proof . What's the point in debating with someone when their only tactic consist of " yeah , well you can't use that reason.....its stupid" . That's how an ignorant ham wristed blowhard attempts to control a conversation 101.

 

[RoadKing Custom]

1) Forrest Griffin

Definitely Forrest Griffin.

 

[MusclesMarinara]

I like this one of the UFC fighters: The chimpanzee they signed (didn't work out), Anderson Silva, Jacare, Jon Jones, Overeem, Bas Rutten.

 

[RoadKing Custom]

I like this one of the UFC fighters: The chimpanzee they signed (didn't work out), Anderson Silva, Jacare, Jon Jones, Overeem, Bas Rutten.

Hahaha! Nice.

 

[BoogerDawson]

I like this one of the UFC fighters: The chimpanzee they signed (didn't work out), Anderson Silva, Jacare, Jon Jones, Overeem, Bas Rutten.

Haha, looks like Wanderlei 3rd from left. Jacare 2nd from right.



Brock Lesnar @ 13:11

 

[BoogerDawson]

This is an interesting story that came out a few years ago about a hunter who claimed he had killed 2 creatures. There hasn't been any strong evidence to corroborate though. However, in the documentary, there is some FLIR (infrared) footage in an area where the killings allegedly occurred. It was taken by an experienced, trusted Sasquatch investigator. Film could have been faked or hoaxed, and it's not definitive, but still, it raises the question of some unexplained animal.

 

[andnowweknow]

Look.. I'm trying to engage the subject with a scientific approach. I've researched from a non-bigfoot bias finding points that are as close to fact as possible. The point of opening your statement by calling me 'naive' is entirely unnecessary.
Anyway... by what authority do you have to make the claim fossil record are insufficient for reporting geographical range? Are you an expert in prehistoric zoology?

I wasn't trying to insult you. And you don't need to be an expert in prehistoric zoology to understand that the fossil record is incredibly sparse. Let me just ask you a quick question and you can deduce what you will from it.

Depending on who you ask, the oldest modern human skeletal remains date to about 180k years ago. Just assume that is fact, certain people would argue around 220k, some 150ish...not the point in specificity.

What do you think this says about the age of modern homo sapien sapiens...human beings given a shave and a suit would look and have the same faculties as you and I? Some people might say that means modern man is 180k years old. In fact, that is what modern science would say. It's quite possible, that given the sparse nature of the fossil record regarding human remains the further back you go, that human beings are much, much older than that, into the hundreds of thousands of years older in fact. We can't be certain in any way, especially when you consider what it takes to create a fossil and the extraordinary circumstance involved in allowing something to survive for any length of time through the 1000's of intervening years.

The point is, the fossil record is extremely sparse and what can be deduced from said fossils is extremely limited in many ways. Prior to the end of the last ice age, many large animals were worldwide...North America looked like the African Savannah of today.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Definitely Forrest Griffin.

Was thinking Andrei A

 

[riddleofsteel]

I'm in the no camp.
However, it is possible for large land animals to remain hidden from humans. Look at the large number of gorillas found in Congo several years ago:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/08/05/congo.gorillas/index.html?iref=topnews

Still, though the PNW isn't the Congo. And gorillas, obviously, were known in other areas and the outside world did "discover" the aforementioned Congo gorillas.

Taking averages on the size of a gorilla:
Standing height: 4 to 6 ft (1.2 to 1.8 m)
Weight: 150 to 400 lbs (68 to 181 kg).

An adult male gorilla may consume more than 18 kg (40 lb) of vegetation per day.
Western lowland gorilla (Gorilla gorilla gorilla):
This subspecies consumes parts of at least 97 plant species. About 67% of their diet is fruit, 17% is leaves, seeds and stems and 3% is termites and caterpillars.


Bigfoot is supposedly 8-10ft tall, so what would one weigh? 600lb? 700?
How much would they eat? 50, 60, 70lb on a daily average?
What exactly in the PNW would they be living off of? If one claims they'd have a more carnivorous diet, then what are they doing, running down elk & such? Setting traps? Catching salmon - then why haven't they been spotted like bears are?

And why are there absolutely no verified remains? Native Americans, early European trappers & explorers had bones & skins from from everything that flew, walked, crawled or swam yet not one of them managed to kill and keep a Bigfoot skull, leg bone, skin, etc? Sorry, I don't buy that.

And just because multiple cultures that have similar stories and myths about Bigfoot like creatures doesn't mean the creature(s) actually existed. There are plenty of myths that are fiction. That reminds me of the Ancient Aliens proponents, they act as if imagination & story telling is a recent development for mankind - our ancestors were incapable of making up stories.

Possibly at one time such a creature did exist and maybe in isolated locations they managed to stave off extinction much longer than their general population did (like the mammoths on St Paul Island & Wrangel Island) which attributed to stories about them being kept alive. That is a possibility but I do not believe 9ft tall, 650lb man apes are roaming the Cascades.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Cool thread (outside of the self righteous mockers). I'm native and grew up actually taking part in spiritual and traditional practices. I've been told stories about them coming around during spiritual ceremonies.

Before he passed away 11yrs ago (2004 time flies) Grandpa had an encounter with them.

Used to work at a youth treatment centre (around the same time 2004-ish) and some of the kids that were at the centre were from the mountain areas and they told me stories of them (smell, loud cries, shed hair).

Personally, I'm not sure what to believe.

 

[MARTIAN]

[/QUOTE]

Cool thread (outside of the self righteous mockers). I'm native and grew up actually taking part in spiritual and traditional practices. I've been told stories about them coming around during spiritual ceremonies.

Before he passed away 11yrs ago (2004 time flies) Grandpa had an encounter with them.

Used to work at a youth treatment centre (around the same time 2004-ish) and some of the kids that were at the centre were from the mountain areas and they told me stories of them (smell, loud cries, shed hair).

Personally, I'm not sure what to believe.

Did he elaborate on his story or was it also just noticing (smells, loud cries, shed hair)

there's a sad, smelly, blurry ape shedding in the woods that nobody can find?

 

[Bad Romance]

Of course bigfoot can exist. If a group of plesiosaurus can manage to survive in a Scottish lake and largely avoid detection I don't see why a bigger smart-ish species of primates can't do the same in the vast forests of the pacific north west or mountains of the Himilayas.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Did he elaborate on his story or was it also just noticing (smells, loud cries, shed hair)

there's a sad, smelly, blurry ape shedding in the woods that nobody can find?[/QUOTE]


yeah but I'm not typing it up - basically because these threads become a pat myself on the back because I look down on others. Not wasting my time anymore (same with the paranormal threads).

So yeah, I guess if it exists then a sad smelly, blurry ape is out there.