International Biden Managed the Border Crisis Well and Didn't Cause It. Trump's Immigration Policies are Fascist and He's Playing Fragile White People for Fools

No they didn't. Read their quote again:

Unauthorized immigrants are those who are not members of any of the groups the U.S. has approved for legal immigration: legal permanent residents, refugees, people granted asylum and legal temporary migrants

What they said is that some people with tps will lose it for various readon and then they become unauthorized.


Even if I agree that Pew counted tps (they didnt); using the numbers from the other 2 groups puts it at 3.3 million.
I dint think you're reading that right, I this excerpt they explicitly include those paroled into the country
In recent years, a third, but smaller, category of unauthorized immigrants has emerged as the federal government has created new programs:

  • People who enter the U.S. legally with temporary protection from deportation that the government can revoke if immigration policy shifts
This third group includes migrants from certain countries facing war, natural disasters or other crises, as well as individuals who are paroled or released at the U.S.-Mexico border. In 2023, about 2 million of the 14 million unauthorized immigrants living in the country had been admitted into the U.S. with precarious statuses.
It sure seems like they're including TPS and CNHV under the umbrella term of "unauthorized"
 
I dint think you're reading that right, I this excerpt they explicitly include those paroled into the country

It sure seems like they're including TPS and CNHV under the umbrella term of "unauthorized"

You ignore their other statement;

Unauthorized immigrants are those who are not members of any of the groups the U.S. has approved for legal immigration: legal permanent residents, refugees, people granted asylum and legal temporary migrants.


^^That statement clearly defines tps as authorized individuals, but who may become unauthorized at some point.


Edit: I think I've found the descrepancy (1.2m)

The Trump administration has revoked the protections of many unauthorized immigrants this year. More than 500,000 immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela who were paroled into the U.S. between October 2022 and November 2024 had their temporary protection removed and work permits invalidated in 2025. The administration also allowed Temporary Protected Status (TPS) program protections to expire for 350,000 Venezuelans and 350,000 Haitians.



Regardless of any of that, the other 2 sources would still put the total at at least 3.3m
 
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You ignore their other statement;

Unauthorized immigrants are those who are not members of any of the groups the U.S. has approved for legal immigration: legal permanent residents, refugees, people granted asylum and legal temporary migrants.


^^That statement clearly defines tps as authorized individuals, but who may become unauthorized at some point.


Edit: I think I've found the descrepancy (1.2m)

The Trump administration has revoked the protections of many unauthorized immigrants this year. More than 500,000 immigrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela who were paroled into the U.S. between October 2022 and November 2024 had their temporary protection removed and work permits invalidated in 2025. The administration also allowed Temporary Protected Status (TPS) program protections to expire for 350,000 Venezuelans and 350,000 Haitians.
Doesn't that vindicate what I was saying, that those given TPS or otherwise paroled into the country were categorized as "unauthorized" for the purpose of that survey? My guess is those legal temporary migrants refers to those on a tourist or work visa.
Regardless of any of that, the other 2 sources would still put the total at at least 3.3m
What other two sources? The ones referred to here?
Its hard to reply to everything from my phone.

-The first couple link is to show that there were 10.3m in 2021.

-In 2023, estimates for the unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. varied slightly, with the
Pew Research Center[/URL] reporting a record high of 14 million, while the Migration Policy Institute (MPI) estimated 13.7 million, and theCenter for Migration Studies (CMS) reported 11.7 m
The CIS report you linked only looked at the period between early 2021 and 2022 so not sure what this exceprt is referencing exactly, not to mention it's an anti-immigrant think tank so I don't know if It's accept it's figures the way I would for a non-partisan org. I didn't see an MPS link so unsure about what you're referring to.

I'm also wondering where that excerpt is from, is that from an AI?
 
Doesn't that vindicate what I was saying, that those given TPS or otherwise paroled into the country were categorized as "unauthorized" for the purpose of that survey? My guess is those legal temporary migrants refers to those on a tourist or work visa.

What other two sources? The ones referred to here?

The CIS report you linked only looked at the period between early 2021 and 2022 so not sure what this exceprt is referencing exactly, not to mention it's an anti-immigrant think tank so I don't know if It's accept it's figures the way I would for a non-partisan org. I didn't see an MPS link so unsure about what you're referring to.

I'm also wondering where that excerpt is from, is that from an AI?

Yes and no. AI, but I followed the links. I did not post multiple links to the same sites - and differing sites are using different years numbers unless you did through the site itself.


  • Although some immigrants are missed by government surveys, our preliminary estimate is that there are 15.4 million illegal immigrants in the January 2025 CPS, an increase of more than 50 percent (5.4 million) over the last four
 
Yes and no. AI, but I followed the links. I did not post multiple links to the same sites - and differing sites are using different years numbers unless you did through the site itself.


  • Although some immigrants are missed by government surveys, our preliminary estimate is that there are 15.4 million illegal immigrants in the January 2025 CPS, an increase of more than 50 percent (5.4 million) over the last four
I asked for the MPI source since CIS is an anti-immigrant think tank while MPI has a more neutral reputation. CIS is also using the less reliable CPS data since the more reliable states usually take a year and a half to finalize.
 
I asked for the MPI source since CIS is an anti-immigrant think tank while MPI has a more neutral reputation. CIS is also using the less reliable CPS data since the more reliable states usually take a year and a half to finalize.

Go pull Homeland Security Stats


Of the 2.9 million nationwide encounters in FY2024, nearly half were at ports of entry, while only 15 percent of nationwide encounters were at ports of entry in FY2021. In addition to these encounters, CBP has recorded another roughly 2 million known gotaways since the start of FY2021,


DHS knows that 2 million got away, but you think illegals are less than known get away?
 
Go pull Homeland Security Stats


Of the 2.9 million nationwide encounters in FY2024, nearly half were at ports of entry, while only 15 percent of nationwide encounters were at ports of entry in FY2021. In addition to these encounters, CBP has recorded another roughly 2 million known gotaways since the start of FY2021,


DHS knows that 2 million got away, but you think illegals are less than known get away?
You're jumping all over the place while haphazardly citing sources so it's not even clear to me exactly what you're arguing for.
 
The best solution would be to giving mass amnesty to all the people already here and a pathway to citizenship. In return for this, the Dems and GOP can negotiate a much better way of securing the border. This is the way.
man.... we already tried that. It failed massively. I was too young to get the gist of how it went down but I remember my dad saying something along the lines of Mexico didn't even try to keep up their end of the bargain.
 
Gotta get the scary immigrants!

Why Deportations Were Higher Under Biden Than in Trump’s First Term​


‘Returner-in-Chief’: Biden era deportations surpass Trump’s first term totals​


 
This ongoing narrative that Biden "opened the border" is a complete lie. Trump cynically just used an unprecedented migrant crisis and blamed it all on Biden for political purposes.

1. The record number of migrants that came during Biden's term was a result of factors completely outside his control. Trump's anti-immigrant policies during his first term as well as all the effects of Covid created a groundswell of pent up demand that exploded. AND Illegal immigration had already increased to a 21-year high before Biden entered office.

2. America recovered much faster from Covid than everywhere else, so we had a robust labor market while Latin America was still dystopian. And then Trump's bad immigration policies incentivized illegal entries. Additionally, migrants now had access to internet information about how to travel illegally to the US.

3. Accounting for this record rush of people, Biden performed well. From his administration’s first day in January 2021, Biden actually increased border enforcement—arrests, detentions, and removals of border crossers all increased. Biden immediately started increasing expulsions from his first day in office.

4. Despite Biden’s historic crackdown, expulsions did not deter migrants, even among demographics universally expelled. Catch and releases occurred not because Biden cut removals, but because migration grew faster than the administration could increase them.

5. So essentially Biden had no choice but to respond the way he did. By international law, you have to give due process to anyone showing up at your border seeking asylum.

6. And toward the end of Biden's term, migrant flow was already decreasing. When there was a bipartisan bill that would solve a lot of the problems at the border, Trump and his cronies killed it so he can try to win the election. We may never get a bill like that again FOR DECADES.

Basically, Trump is a scumbag that killed the first sweeping immigration reform bill we've had since the 80's. It was on the verge of passing with wide bipartisan support, and would have greatly increased the amount of asylum judges and increased funding significantly.

Trump's Immigration Policies are Racist, Fascist and Ineffective.

At a time of economic uncertainty and inflation, Trump is demonizing all immigrants (that aren't white) as criminals and rapists. Blaming them as the cause of increased crime and housing prices, when they have nothing to do with it. The much greater blame goes to Trump's economic policies and giving tax breaks to the rich.

White people are slowly becoming no longer the majority population of this country and that makes a lot of poor Hwwwiiites insecure. Trump is tapping into that working class white fragility by fearmongering brown people.

1. The truth is illegals are a huge net positive to the economy. They pay almost 94 billion a year in taxes and most of them will never benefit from that because they can't get Social Security and Medicaid.

If we deport all illegals, our economy would literally collapse. We'd probably be paying 3-4 times higher prices for fruits and vegetables.

2. Trump is lying that illegals are causing all this crime. Every statistical study shows illegals commit far less crime than native Americans.

3. Finally, Trump will never be able to deport many illegals anyway. Despite all his rhetoric, he's only managed to deport around 400K. His administration keeps saying 2 million self deported, but that is very likely completely made up bullshit.

Obama and Biden deported FAR more people than Trump who is using inhumane and fascist tactics. LMAO how pathetic.

4. Trump is ignoring all due process and illegally deporting people that have legal statuses. Many have applied for asylum or are in the process of applying for a green card or some other legal status.

5. He's total scum for separating families and deporting people who have been here for decades. The VAST MAJORITY of whom do not have criminal records. Trump LIED and said he would only go after the criminals.

That's part of the reason a lot of Latinos voted for him. Now they've been betrayed and will all vote Democrat next election cycle. FAFO.

And lastly, the vast majority of the new arrivals are here to stay and there is nothing Trump can do about it. It is completely unrealistic (and impossible) to deport millions upon millions of people from the interior of the country.

The best solution would be to giving mass amnesty to all the people already here and a pathway to citizenship. In return for this, the Dems and GOP can negotiate a much better way of securing the border. This is the way.
You’re totally outta touch with reality. WTF
 
Ah. Like when Reagan signed the Immigration Reform & Control Act, granting amnesty to 3 million illegals in exchange for stricter border controls.
Wait. The border controls and enforcement were so ineffective and not enforced that illegal immigration increased? And Dems still received 3 million future Dem voters for nothing?

Yea, let's do that again.
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California turned forever blue after Regan did it.
 
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