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[Hog-train]

Yes I am. That agreement was 30 years ago and I don't believe in eternal agreements. The constituency has charged dramatically since then and it doesn't represent the will of the people. The American people want nothing to do with this and ultimately our politicians are supposed to be beholden to us and not foreign governments or their citizens. Fuck all that.

Hard disagree. We made agreements with Taiwan, South Korea and Japan much longer ago. So we shouldn't honor those agreements as well?

Imagine risking WW3 over a region in Ukraine that WANTED to split off from Ukraine.

This is so retarded and avoidable.

Russia tried to take over the entire country. They went directly after the capitol.

 

[The XL]

Hard disagree. We made agreements with Taiwan, South Korea and Japan much longer ago. So we shouldn't honor those agreements as well?



Russia tried to take over the entire country. They went directly after the capitol.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm of the opinion that the people of the United States don't have any obligation to suffer because of the agreements politicians made decades ago. I believe that the way I feel is the consensus now, and the sentiment is growing. These agreements do not represent the will of the current constituency.

 

[Hog-train]

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm of the opinion that the people of the United States don't have any obligation to suffer because of the agreements politicians made decades ago. I believe that the way I feel is the consensus now, and the sentiment is growing. These agreements do not represent the will of the current constituency.

But we're not suffering helping Ukraine out. We didn't actually spend that much money. We're mostly sending them our old equipment in storage, much of which was going to be decommissioned anyway. But all you're hearing are ZOMG we spent this many billions to Ukraine! No we just sent old equipment that they're saying is worth that much.

And no that's not the consensus at all.

 

[The XL]

But we're not suffering helping Ukraine out. We didn't actually spend that much money. We're mostly sending them our old equipment in storage, much of which was going to be decommissioned anyway. But all you're hearing are ZOMG we spent this many billions to Ukraine! No we just sent old equipment that they're saying is worth that much.

And no that's not the consensus at all.

We're greatly risking involving ourselves in a needless war. And as far as Ukraine goes, we're not doing anything to help them. We're prolonging their agony. Half the country doesn't even want to fight anymore.

I think it is the consensus at this point. The people of the United States want nothing to do with getting involved in wars. Contrary to popular belief, Russia doesn't represent a threat to us outside of their nukes. There isn't a reason to continually meddle in their affairs.

 

[K-Bag]

Will nukes fix global warming?

 

[Lycandroid]

These guys are gone, gone. Subverted by Russian propaganda like the majority of the so called American and international right.

Anyone that shields Russia from blame in this conflict can be totally disregarded. They don't exist in reality. Their entire life is online.

interesting, so why in your opinion does Russian propaganda only work on right wingers ? why are left wingers seemingly immune ?

 

[Hog-train]

We're greatly risking involving ourselves in a needless war. And as far as Ukraine goes, we're not doing anything to help them. We're prolonging their agony. Half the country doesn't even want to fight anymore.

I think it is the consensus at this point. The people of the United States want nothing to do with getting involved in wars. Contrary to popular belief, Russia doesn't represent a threat to us outside of their nukes. There isn't a reason to continually meddle in their affairs.

It's not needless. Russia will just start again at a later date because that's how they've always operated.

They've pulled this same shit in Georgia and Moldova too.

 

[Rational Poster]

interesting, so why in your opinion does Russian propaganda only work on right wingers ? why are left wingers seemingly immune ?

I mean, there are lefties that are pretty retarded and subverted on the topic as well. I wasn't singling them out, only referring specifically about the righties posting here in this thread, Russia has been subverting people through the internet for quite some time.

It's just more prelevant on the MAGA right, because their entire movement is subverted by Russia propaganda.

 

[Lycandroid]

I mean, there are lefties that are pretty retarded and subverted on the topic as well. I wasn't singling them out, only referring specifically about the righties posting here in this thread, Russia has been subverting people through the internet for quite some time.

It's just more prelevant on the MAGA right, because their entire movement is subverted by Russia propaganda.

I couldn't agree more

 

[The XL]

It's not needless. Russia will just start again at a later date because that's how they've always operated.

They've pulled this same shit in Georgia and Moldova too.

What does that have to do with us?

 

[Cid]

I don’t think y’all understand how hypercritical you are.

Republicans have been screaming about Russia for years. Just chomping at the bit to go to war with them.
Then Trump gets elected, declares his man crush on Putin, and y’all flip your stance on Russia.

When push came to shove, y’all were full of hot fucking air.

He's not hypocritical.

He doesn't know why America decided to take up the mantle of world police in the first place.

New age conservatism is no wars, no trannies.

 

[Gundarmyx]

Watch how the maga sheep change their tune once Trump and Putin have a public disagreement. Then they will be all for destroying Russia

 

[Hog-train]

What does that have to do with us?

All the neighboring NATO countries will be pulled in eventually and then we'd need to put boots on the ground. There's a reason all our NATO allies right on the border - Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Poland are all strongly for helping Ukraine at all costs.

Russia's invasion made Finland and Sweden to join NATO through their actions.

1. Letting a dictatorial power like Russia to constantly take more and more land from other sovereign countries never works out. They did it in Georgia and we did nothing. They did it in Moldova and we did nothing. And now they're doing it in Ukraine. They're not going to stop.

It's like during the WW2 era when the Western power did nothing as Germany kept taking over land. They tried appeasement and it didn't work.

2. We need to STAND BY our promises. We promised we'd help defend Ukraine if they gave up their nukes.

3. China is watching this conflict closely to see how much we stand by our promises. If they see we won't, that'll dramatically increase the chance that they'll invade Taiwan.

 

[The XL]

All the neighboring NATO countries will be pulled in eventually and then we'd need to put boots on the ground. There's a reason all our NATO allies right on the border - Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Poland are all strongly for helping Ukraine at all costs.

Russia's invasion made Finland and Sweden to join NATO through their actions.

1. Letting a dictatorial power like Russia to constantly take more and more land from other sovereign countries never works out. They did it in Georgia and we did nothing. They did it in Moldova and we did nothing. And now they're doing it in Ukraine. They're not going to stop.

It's like during the WW2 era when the Western power did nothing as Germany kept taking over land. They tried appeasement and it didn't work.

2. We need to STAND BY our promises. We promised we'd help defend Ukraine if they gave up their nukes.

3. China is watching this conflict closely to see how much we stand by our promises. If they see we won't, that'll dramatically increase the chance that they'll invade Taiwan.

It's pretty clear that me and you disagree which is fine. The American people want nothing to do with this. Promises? Many of the politicians and constituency from then are dead. The people today aren't obligated to fulfill them. Enough of the government dragging us into shit that we don't want to be bothered with. No more of these bullshit wars.

 

[Hog-train]

It's pretty clear that me and you disagree which is fine. The American people want nothing to do with this. Promises? Many of the politicians and constituency from then are dead. The people today aren't obligated to fulfill them. Enough of the government dragging us into shit that we don't want to be bothered with. No more of these bullshit wars.

It's not only promises. It is in our best interest also.

And "today's people aren't obligated by past promises" is straight up a dumb idea. So America can't be trusted to stand by treaties they sign?

As soon as a new President comes into power, all our treaties don't count?

 

[jefferz]

It's not only promises. It is in our best interest also.

And "today's people aren't obligated by past promises" is straight up a dumb idea. So America can't be trusted to stand by treaties they sign?

As soon as a new President comes into power, all our treaties don't count?

Considering how many treaties Trump pulled out of last time, no, we can’t be trusted to stand by them.

 

[ShadowRun]

So why is this happening now, not a year ago ? This the slow eslculation strategy that LBJ tried to use in Vietnam.

 

[Grassshoppa]

Fucking Democrats.

 

[Hog-train]

Considering how many treaties Trump pulled out of last time, no, we can’t be trusted to stand by them.

Then that's an additional reason to uphold our treaties and agreements. Rebuild trust.

 

[Rational Poster]

So why is this happening now, not a year ago ? This the slow eslculation strategy that LBJ tried to use in Vietnam.

Because Russia launched a exceptionally large attack on Ukrainian civilian power infrastructure over the weekend. But I agree it should have been at least a few months sooner, like when the Khakiv offensive started.