Beterbiev vs Smith Jr June 18th ESPN

[Tatra]

I was never sold on Wilder's power. Spence's & Golovkin's power are slightly overrated but they're still heavy hitters, nonetheless. Gervonta Davis's power is definitely overrated. But Beterbiev's power, I really think is ATG power. We may well be looking at the hardest punching LHW of all time.

 

[PUO3]

I was never sold on Wilder's power. Spence's & Golovkin's power are slightly overrated but they're still heavy hitters, nonetheless. Gervonta Davis's power is definitely overrated. But Beterbiev's power, I really think is ATG power. We may well be looking at the hardest punching LHW of all time.

Lol

 

[Hagler]

I was never sold on Wilder's power. Spence's & Golovkin's power are slightly overrated but they're still heavy hitters, nonetheless. Gervonta Davis's power is definitely overrated. But Beterbiev's power, I really think is ATG power. We may well be looking at the hardest punching LHW of all time.

Artur hits hard but guys like Foster, Moore, Moorer or Langford have a better case for being the biggest hitter of them all at LHW. Even Adonis’s one-punch KO power was arguably something else.

Oh, and Wilder hits like a fucking truck.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

I was never sold on Wilder's power. Spence's & Golovkin's power are slightly overrated but they're still heavy hitters, nonetheless. Gervonta Davis's power is definitely overrated. But Beterbiev's power, I really think is ATG power. We may well be looking at the hardest punching LHW of all time.

First of all, if you aren’t sold on Wilders power, well guess you must be pretty stingy with credit where it’s due. Beter is a fearsome foe, some scary fists and some real power behind them, but I’m not even sure he’s a harder puncher Joe Smith, let alone all time hardest hitting LHW

 

[borntoloseNOT]

Artur hits hard but guys like Foster, Moore, Moorer or Langford have a better case for being the biggest hitter of them all at LHW. Even Adonis’s one-punch KO power was arguably something else.

Oh, and Wilder hits like a fucking truck.

good call

Adonis was probably the hardest one shot guy in recent memory, fast, sharp, and totally putting guys out.

 

[Nova44]

Artur hits hard but guys like Foster, Moore, Moorer or Langford have a better case for being the biggest hitter of them all at LHW. Even Adonis’s one-punch KO power was arguably something else.

Oh, and Wilder hits like a fucking truck.

Beterbiev vs prime Stevenson would've been amazing. Actually, i've suddenly got a craving for either a cruiserweight or catchweight fight around 2018 between Beterbiev and Gassiev, that would've been glorious. I know i know, enough with the fantasy stuff.

 

[Tatra]

Artur hits hard but guys like Foster, Moore, Moorer or Langford have a better case for being the biggest hitter of them all at LHW. Even Adonis’s one-punch KO power was arguably something else.

Oh, and Wilder hits like a fucking truck.

Foster & Moorer are definitely contenders. Moore, no way. Langford fought a whole load of bums and only ended up with a 50% KO ratio. No way he hits harder.

Beterbiev has power in every shot.

Stevenson's power was more about speed. Hard hitter, but without the speed it wouldn't have been anything special.

Wilder's power is vastly overrated and his record proves that.

 

[stuff jones]

I was never sold on Wilder's power. Spence's & Golovkin's power are slightly overrated but they're still heavy hitters, nonetheless. Gervonta Davis's power is definitely overrated. But Beterbiev's power, I really think is ATG power. We may well be looking at the hardest punching LHW of all time.

Nobody calls Spence a great power puncher.

Wilder and Stevenson both have great power, but only really with one shot. The power is even more effective because that shot - the straight right for Wilder and the straight left for Stevenson - is fast. They catch guys by surprise.

GGG and Beterbiev have power in both hands. They don't have great hand speed so they rarely catch guys clean, but their power is so good in both hands that they can break people down anyway.

 

[Tom B]

Wilders power is overrated as the best fighter he has KOd in 40+ fights is an ancient Luis Ortiz. Fury isn’t packing granite and he couldn’t put him

 

[Hagler]

Foster & Moorer are definitely contenders. Moore, no way. Langford fought a whole load of bums and only ended up with a 50% KO ratio. No way he hits harder.

Beterbiev has power in every shot.

Stevenson's power was more about speed. Hard hitter, but without the speed it wouldn't have been anything special.

Wilder's power is vastly overrated and his record proves that.

Langford thrashed a bunch of HW while starting his career at LW, Moore KOed more opponents than any other boxer and Wilder knocked down 4 times the only opponent he didn’t KO. 17 career KOs in 17 fights ( 6 world title bouts) isn’t shabby but it’s hardly legendary in comparison.

And it’s not like Artur fought truckloads of hall of famers himself. He certainly hits hard, though, we can certainly give him that.

 

[Tatra]

Nobody calls Spence a great power puncher.

I never said they did.

Wilder and Stevenson both have great power, but only really with one shot. The power is even more effective because that shot - the straight right for Wilder and the straight left for Stevenson - is fast. They catch guys by surprise.

I mention Stevenson's speed being his greatest attribute in another post.

GGG and Beterbiev have power in both hands. They don't have great hand speed so they rarely catch guys clean, but their power is so good in both hands that they can break people down anyway.

That's my point! Beterbiev is especially terrifying.

 

[Hung Like a Hamster]

Gonna gather up some friends and casuals for this firework of a fight.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Foster & Moorer are definitely contenders. Moore, no way. Langford fought a whole load of bums and only ended up with a 50% KO ratio. No way he hits harder.

Beterbiev has power in every shot.

Stevenson's power was more about speed. Hard hitter, but without the speed it wouldn't have been anything special.

Wilder's power is vastly overrated and his record proves that.

I'd say that's the difference between Beterbiev and the rest. One of the major differences. He doesn't need to select a particular shot to hurt an opponent, it's every shot. Nor does he have to be at a certain distance for his shots to be devastating. That's courtesy of being heavy handed with big power in both hands. He never had to bother honing a "signature shot" as a fight finisher.

The other difference is that he doesn't have to wind-up. You don't see him loading up big to take guys out or looking for that one huge shot to KO them. Can he do that? Yes. He's shown it. He just doesn't fight that way because he prefers to break opponents down first. He's so heavy handed he can just effortlessly throw his punches straight from his guard. No need to spam haymakers or look for the kill shot. Punch for punch it takes him less energy to damage opponents. That's the definition of a heavy hitter.

 

[moosaev]

Artur hits hard but guys like Foster, Moore, Moorer or Langford have a better case for being the biggest hitter of them all at LHW. Even Adonis’s one-punch KO power was arguably something else.

Oh, and Wilder hits like a fucking truck.

I don’t really view it as a competition, there are just different kinds of power. There’s the explosive one punch knockout power, then there’s a consistent thudding power of Artur which is arguably much scarier, every punch hurts (Joe Frazier had this kind of power). The other unique thing about Artur is he doesn’t need much of a windup to generate power which means he causes damage at any range he wishes. That consistent drip of power round by round is why he has a 100% KO ratio. Good boxers can slip the explosive one shot KO punches, but they can’t slip the consistent thudding shots round after round.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

If some of you have ever sparred you'll easily be able to distinguish the difference between sharp power and heavy handed "thudding" power. Sharp power is explosive, speed-based, and comes in surges. Thudding power is consistent and on tap in every punch like the poster above me said. Carrying that thud late into fights isn't a problem. That power is always there even when there's little gas in the tank. That's natural punching power.

When we hear that a puncher is born and not made they're talking about it specifically. Explosive power can be developed to an extent. I can name several SNAC athletes in boxing right now that have significantly increased their explosiveness over the years under Victor Conte. However, they can't develop heavy handed power. You're either heavy handed or you're not. It's a different type of power altogether. That power will leave your body aching long after you've fought. It can break through a tight guard. Those heavier shots will actually move an opponent around when they land. Even grazing shots can discombobulate or stop fighters. That's why some consider heavy thudding power to be scarier.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

No way does Wilder only have power off one punch. People hate him so much, he gets denied credit for no reason. Common, he definitely has dropped guys or hurt guys on stuff that looked like it had zero mustard on it, he just lands the straight right well.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

No way does Wilder only have power off one punch. People hate him so much, he gets denied credit for no reason. Common, he definitely has dropped guys or hurt guys on stuff that looked like it had zero mustard on it, he just lands the straight right well.

I tend to agree. Wilder does appear to have big power running all the way through his right hand. It's not necessarily just his straight right or overhand right that are deadly. He's clearly drilled those shots the most as fight finishers. That's his signature shot. He actually has a stiff jab when he throws it as well.

I have seen Wilder hurt guys without too much mustard on his shots at times but not consistently like Beterbiev has. We've seen Beterbiev off balance, literally with one foot off the ground, and yet he can still manage to hurt/drop opponents even if he just clips them. This happened with the first knockdown in the Deines fight. That shit just isn't normal.

 

[moosaev]

No way does Wilder only have power off one punch. People hate him so much, he gets denied credit for no reason. Common, he definitely has dropped guys or hurt guys on stuff that looked like it had zero mustard on it, he just lands the straight right well.

Wilder has real power, anyone who claims otherwise is a joker.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Here's a great piece on the different types of punching power that Nigel Collins wrote for ESPN back in 2013. It covers explosive (speed-based) power, heavy handed "thudding" power, and lists some of the rare fighters that are blessed with both. Here are a couple key excerpts.

"Generally speaking, big punchers can be divided into two categories: Those who have speed-based power and those with heavy hands. There are several subgroups within those categories, including the rare fighter fortunate enough to possess both qualities."

"Not only does velocity create power, it also enhances the element of surprise, which is why victims of speed-based power punchers almost invariably say they were hit by a punch they didn't see. Moreover, speed-based power also allows certain fighters to do things they otherwise couldn't get away with."

Analysis of the height of power

 

[borntoloseNOT]

I tend to agree. Wilder does appear to have big power running all the way through his right hand. It's not necessarily just his straight right or overhand right that are deadly. He's clearly drilled those shots the most as fight finishers. That's his signature shot. He actually has a stiff jab when he throws it as well.

I have seen Wilder hurt guys without too much mustard on his shots at times but not consistently like Beterbiev has. We've seen Beterbiev off balance, literally with one foot off the ground, and yet he can still manage to hurt/drop opponents even if he just clips them. This happened with the first knockdown in the DeinThat shit just isn't normal.

Also tend to agree that Beter is not normal, I mean some men are just cut from harder stuff than other men… and Beter grinds those men to dust in the palm of his hand, the man is a world class boxer who also happens to be a world class tank. I’m not arguing he shouldn’t be remembered as a destroyer, I just don’t know how to rate him yet.