BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[KGB256]

We all agree that he's a scumbag. I, nor any of the folks responding in that vein that I can think are "spinning a narrative" starting with him being a scumbag. The narrative that he is a scumbag is being created by his actions. And that is the genesis of my comments.

So you honestly thought he was an upstanding citizen 2 months ago? I didn't. I've thought Irvin was a scumbag for quite some time.

We went over this back in January. Even before the 1989 thing came out, people were already trying to lay the NYE case on Irvin. When I brought it up then, I was told he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

You're free to assume the worst about the dude, but trying to pretend that's a reasonable position is more hypocrisy than I'm willing to swallow.

You seem to want to review the thought process in review. Meaning (as I said above), that we're using "scumbag" as a starting point. As opposed to his actions leading to that. It is his own actions that lead to my comment "he still thinks it's okay to rape people". His own actions make that a reasonable statement. Everything he does is to deflect from the issues at hand, and point blame at everyone else. Nothing in his actions points to him having learned anything from a vile act that he committed.

Then we look at how his business is run. How members of his team feel its okay to act. (Remember, he managed to be in a group of people that found rape to be acceptable behavior: Like attracts to like) We see how he's responding now.

There's plenty to suggest that he's self-serving, and that he's willing to exploit people in ethically questionable ways for his own gain. You'll get no argument from me on that.

But I can't take you seriously when you keep trying to claim that Lloyd and the people around him consider rape as acceptable behavior. It's nonsense. There's no business practice he has engaged in that lends any credibility to that argument. Employing questionable business practices doesn't mean you're okay with rape.

You seem to be stuck on the notion that people are pissed that he did a seminar; but you're also ignoring the context that people are using to being annoyed by his seminar. He did it as a cover up and a redirect.

The assumption is it's a cover up and redirect. If any other gym had a student get raped by a fellow student, we'd view them hosting a free rape prevention seminar in response as a positive. But in this situation, it's a crass PR move.

And the reason I've been stuck on the subject of the seminar is that all of these replies I've made originated with someone referring to it as Lloyd exploiting the NYE case for a "cash grab".

I hear you saying that you think he's a "scumbag", but we all see you defending him every step of the way. It isn't logical.

I'm not defending him every step of the way. I'm speaking up on points where people are going what I consider over the line. But you guys hate that. You'd prefer I be a fan of TLI, or that I be a member of their team, or even Lloyd himself. You want me to be 100% for him (like devnull) or 100% against him (like the groupthink here). Sorry, but I'm not going to play that little game.

I think he is a scumbag. I think he probably raped the girl in 1989 and got away with it by way of perjury. I think his marketing is awful. I think his Mastermind and other non-martial arts ventures are nothing more than MLM. I think his "baller" video is something I'd expect out of a high school kid to rep wealth when he doesn't actually have shit. I think the tax lien is legit, and it represents a serious issue even to a millionaire (because unless he's full retard about his money, most of his wealth won't be liquid). I think he did the Kumite to promote Keenan and TLI in the guise of showcasing some top brown belts. I thought his GracieMag statement was idiotic, and only served to make things worse.

But none of that makes any bit of difference. Why? Because I dared say that maybe, just maybe, Lloyd Irvin chose to hold that seminar because he felt bad for the NYE victim and wanted to do something to help, which also happened to be a nice PR move. Holy shit. Obviously that means I'm his fucking fanboy and think he can do no wrong.

 

[the heed]

Because I dared say that maybe, just maybe, Lloyd Irvin chose to hold that seminar because he felt bad for the NYE victim and wanted to do something to help, which also happened to be a nice PR move. Holy shit. Obviously that means I'm his fucking fanboy and think he can do no wrong.

As much as I think LI is a scum bag, this is a valid point some people can have.. regardless if you are a fan of him or not. I think he did it out of purely a PR move to cover up but not something that really needs to be argued..

LI has like 100 other legit things going against him and KGB agrees on that. I think some of you guys are digging way too deep.

 

[The K1000]

The blatant level of fan-boyism and self delusion is disturbing. Even just taken within the context of that Facebook wall those were ridiculous and illogical responses.

 

[anaconda]

This is one that gets me. First off, I wouldn't want my wife involved in this in any way, shape or form. But that's just a personal opinion.

But what's worse is another BS explanation "When you get super rich you better have a CPA!!!"

This isn't just a matter of having more income and underpaying. This is a judgment against them and can attach to their properties.

A couple of years ago I did some work as an independent contractor. I accidentally underpaid on my taxes for that portion by over $2,000. The IRS sent me a letter and said I had multiple options:

1) Agree, and pay the full amount due.

2) Agree, and ask for a deferred payment plan; or

3) Contest the charges.

I just paid it because I had obviously made a mistake. They contested the charges, and instead of settling it or paying it off they allowed a lien to be filed against them. If you have money, not even a ton but enough, you would work out a payment plan and start paying it off. You don't allow a lien to be filed.

Hell if he has so much money why doesn't he just pay it right now? He is getting a ton of bad press about it.

 

[the heed]

Hell if he has so much money why doesn't he just pay it right now? He is getting a ton of bad press about it.

Blade is wondering the same thing in prison.

 

[KGB256]

We are not brainwashed we just have a strong belief in Master Lloyd and believe he has done nothing wrong. I have been saying thing all along. You people are reading news reporters and not the court documents, regardless no matter what most of you are 100 percent gun ho to vilify him and I think you need to take a step back and look at yourselves because it's wrong. I have said before he is a father, a husband, he has a son. He does not want his son's name to be tarnished when he grows up he is protecting his family and his business and his empire, and everyone who trains under him.

I have no ill will against you are angrily and wrongfully accusing him and making stuff up that is your prerogative but it is also mine to tell you that you are wrong, dead wrong, and maybe you should look in your hearts to maybe forgive, if that's what you need to do but not forget, and move on. If you don't want to deal with Master Lloyd you don't have to but this smear campaign and Lloyd Irvin rape web site is crazy. Put yourself in his shoes imagine you were involved and your were innocent and you have all these crazy people online saying otherwise what would you do, you might consider your actions, but you probably wont.

Don't think for a fucking second that I agree with your positions one iota. You're spouting bullshit that Irvin never did anything wrong, and that there's a conspiracy to bring him down.

He's done tons of stuff that's dead wrong. I'm just not willing to sit idly by and watch people make intellectually dishonest arguments like "that free rape seminar was a cash grab" or "his business practices mean he condones rape".

And by the way, you should really either reveal whatever ties you have to TLI, or seriously consider shutting the fuck up. Your refusal to disclose this relationship has led the entire forum (myself included) to essentially consider you the TLI equivalent of Baghdad Bob.

 

[JustinTime]

are you friends with her?

no. I haven't been on Facebook in like 4 years honestly.

 

[PointyShinyBurn]

But none of that makes any bit of difference. Why? Because I dared say that maybe, just maybe, Lloyd Irvin chose to hold that seminar because he felt bad for the NYE victim and wanted to do something to help, which also happened to be a nice PR move. Holy shit. Obviously that means I'm his fucking fanboy and think he can do no wrong.

I don't think people believe that to be likely because of the choice of domain name (llodyirvinerape.com, not lloydirvineselfprotection.com or lloydirvinewomenfightback.com or whatever) and the volume of YouTube videos he pushed out all at one time. That clearly smacks of attempted SEO. So it wasn't "running a seminar" that was offensive, it was "flooding seminar/free DVD material to try and push the news of the crime off the front page".

Also, none of that material said "Because of how sorry Master Irvine is about what happened, he is doing this thing". It just loudly trumpeted his impeccable female-protecting credentials which is, charitably, a bit of a stretch.

 

[KGB256]

Innocent of what? Gang rape? He admitted he was at the gang rape and would have taken part if he could get an erection. The victim claimed he did, in fact, take part.(If I remember what I read correctly). Everyone else involved was sent to jail and Lloyd probably flipped on them to walk. Innocent of being a shady businessman? Anyone who knows a thing about marketing or has seen that youtube video where hes flashing stacks of cash knows he

 

[Alonbenav]

Where have we heard this logic re: the 1989 case before?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[seatea]

We are not brainwashed we just have a strong belief in Master Lloyd and believe he has done nothing wrong. I have been saying thing all along. You people are reading news reporters and not the court documents, regardless no matter what most of you are 100 percent gun ho to vilify him and I think you need to take a step back and look at yourselves because it's wrong. I have said before he is a father, a husband, he has a son. He does not want his son's name to be tarnished when he grows up he is protecting his family and his business and his empire, and everyone who trains under him.

I have no ill will against you are angrily and wrongfully accusing him and making stuff up that is your prerogative but it is also mine to tell you that you are wrong, dead wrong, and maybe you should look in your hearts to maybe forgive, if that's what you need to do but not forget, and move on. If you don't want to deal with Master Lloyd you don't have to but this smear campaign and Lloyd Irvin rape web site is crazy. Put yourself in his shoes imagine you were involved and your were innocent and you have all these crazy people online saying otherwise what would you do, you might consider your actions, but you probably wont.

Why won't you answer my questions?

 

[AcesUp22]

Why won't you answer my questions?

Devnull is the definition of a keyboard warrior.

 

[seatea]

Ugh, so Marcos pressures his students into making positive reviews as they have him standing over their shoulder while they write the reviews.

 

[PointyShinyBurn]

Ugh, so Marcos pressures his students into making positive reviews as they have him standing over their shoulder while they write the reviews.

And uses proxies to make it look like they come from different places. That's pretty dodgy, and it's what he's voluntarily admitting to...

 

[The K1000]

Ugh, so Marcos pressures his students into making positive reviews as they have him standing over their shoulder while they write the reviews.

Lol Exactly! While he may truly not even understand it, there are of course physiological pressures to "follow the program" and post good things.

 

[Balto]

Ugh, so Marcos pressures his students into making positive reviews as they have him standing over their shoulder while they write the reviews.

$500 advice: Ask your students to leave positive reviews

$5000 advice: Pressure your students to leave positive reviews

$35000 advice: Pressure your students to leave positive reviews while standing over their shoulder

Mastermind Real Player Billionaire Boyz advice: Pressure your students to leave positive reviews while standing over their shoulder with a gun

This post was at least a $100000 value. I just gave it out for free because I am stunting on y'all.

 

[seatea]

$500 advice: Ask your students to leave positive reviews

$5000 advice: Pressure your students to leave positive reviews

$35000 advice: Pressure your students to leave positive reviews while standing over their shoulder

Mastermind Real Player Billionaire Boyz advice: Pressure your students to leave positive reviews while standing over their shoulder with a gun

This post was at least a $100000 value. I just gave it out for free because I am stunting on y'all.

Can I pay you in vCash? And in instalments?

 

[the heed]

Can I pay you in vCash? And in instalments?

no but you can blindly defend him on online forums no matter how much sound logic people throw at you

 

[KGB256]

I don't think people believe that to be likely because the choice of the choice domain, llodyirvinerape.com, not lloydirvineselfprotection.com or lloydirvinewomenfightback.com or whatever, and the volume of YouTube videos he pushed out all at one time. That clearly smacks of attempted SEO. So it wasn't "running a seminar" that was offensive, it was "flooding seminar/free DVD material to try and push the news of the crime off the front page".

The URL he registered took place after the shitstorm about his 1989 case began. As he said in his statement, it was to grab the domain so someone wouldn't make a site against him, which eventually happened anyway.

And does anybody know how many videos he posted that day? I just tried Google searching and searching YouTube and the only one I saw is like a year old. I was under the impression it was about 5-6 different testimonial videos. I guess I'm naive in thinking that you might make a press release and post testimonials if you're trying to promote an event. I don't consider that a flood, but then again I also don't think something scrolling to page 2 of Google results constitutes a cover-up.

Frankly, if folks had said "yeah, maybe he's just trying to promote it, but I think it's more likely SEO", I'd consider that a reasonable position. What made me consider it unreasonable was when folks flat out told me that it couldn't possibly be anything else, and made me out like I was some sort of TLI lackey for even thinking so.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

We are not brainwashed we just have a strong belief in Master Lloyd and believe he has done nothing wrong. I have been saying thing all along. You people are reading news reporters and not the court documents, regardless no matter what most of you are 100 percent gun ho to vilify him and I think you need to take a step back and look at yourselves because it's wrong. I have said before he is a father, a husband, he has a son. He does not want his son's name to be tarnished when he grows up he is protecting his family and his business and his empire, and everyone who trains under him.

I have no ill will against you are angrily and wrongfully accusing him and making stuff up that is your prerogative but it is also mine to tell you that you are wrong, dead wrong, and maybe you should look in your hearts to maybe forgive, if that's what you need to do but not forget, and move on. If you don't want to deal with Master Lloyd you don't have to but this smear campaign and Lloyd Irvin rape web site is crazy. Put yourself in his shoes imagine you were involved and your were innocent and you have all these crazy people online saying otherwise what would you do, you might consider your actions, but you probably wont.

Dev, to believe the statement that you just made, people have to ignore the facts surrounding LI. Starting with his involvement with a gang rape. Then simply taking a rational look at his marketing scam. Then the atmosphere that does permeate his school.

The rape involvement: he was not cleared, and found innocent, or even not guilty; he got off on a technicality. How do you even get one "friend" who thinks it's okay to rape someone, let alone an entire crew. He was involved with an entire crew. Many of whom are in prison for this act.

His business: His business follows every tenet of a MLM scam to a T. No one's making any of that up.

His school environment: LI's responses have been nothing but re-directions, counter accusations, and avoidance of accepting any responsibility for his actions. Then we find out that two guys from his medal chaser squad brutally raped a girl. Considering everything else, it is not irrational to question the environment.

Yet, despite all of that, and the documentation that is easily obtainable, you tell rational thinking people that they're wrong; all while failing to provide any sort of rational retort.

It is quite sick that anyone could support a guy that was involved in a rape, is running a scam, and does play the role of bully when it suits him.