best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[D 1 Wrestler]

LOL

only ONE of the CURRENT UFC champs was good enough to even qualify for the Olympics in wrestling

Stipe, Jones, Usman...NOT ELITE WRESTLERS, good wrestlers but not good enough to even win pan Americas

NCAA div 1 athletes USUALLY GET DESTROYED IN INTERNATIONAL wrestling COMPETITION !!!

Thats why they are good at MMA....did not spend too much time in wrestling and developed more important MMA skills!

Cejudo is actually a boxer...thats why he is so good at MMA

not just a wrestler

You understand folkstyle and freestyle are different right? Folkstyle is better base for mma so whether they pursue or have success in freestyle is irrelevant

Cejudo is successful because his folkstyle wrestling base allows him to dictate where the fight takes place

 

[Erratic]

do you actually have ANY background in MMA or are you just a fake wrasslin fanboi football hooligan?

Yes I have trained multiple martial arts, and I've had alot of streetfights live and direct growing up and hospitalized multiple people that have tried and failed to assault me numerous times, I am a natural unlike you, but that is besides the point.. because there is no point trying to convince some delusional Godfather of MMA about anything <Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

You could train for 1000 years and real pro's would fuck you up, you are not gifted, you need to accept this. That is the first part of recovery my friend, acceptance.

We are here for you

 

[Cowboyletsgo]

pro Wrestling is much better than amateut Wrestling.

 

[locust rising]

lol

 

[Reffson]

Heavyweight Stipe Miocic Aug 17, 2019 0
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones Dec 29, 2018 2
Middleweight Robert Whittaker Dec 7, 2017 0
Israel Adesanya (Interim Champion) Apr 13, 2019 0
Welterweight Kamaru Usman Mar 2, 2019 0
Lightweight Khabib Nurmagomedov Apr 7, 2018 2
Featherweight Max Holloway Jun 3, 2017 3
Bantamweight Henry Cejudo Jun 8, 2019 0

only ONE MAN on this list even qualified for the pan american games!!!!

there is only ONE ELITE WRESTLER LEFT IN THE UFC CHAMPIONS LIST!!!!!

And he's got great hands.

 

[Erratic]

You understand folkstyle and freestyle are different right? Folkstyle is better base for mma so whether they pursue or have success in freestyle is irrelevant

Cejudo is successful because his folkstyle wrestling base allows him to dictate where the fight takes place

You are debating a brick wall man, but aslong as you are enjoying it, continue

 

[Jojomojo]

meanwhile you [with zero verifiable background] tells us we are all wrong

anybody could beat Karelin in MMA

he is terrible at mma BECAUSE HES THE BEST wrestler in the world!!!

all the BEST WRESTLERS would lose in MMA because they are JUST WRESTLERS....THEY NEVER CROSS TRAINED ENOUGH BECAUSE they focused on wrestling

THATS WHY THEY ARE THE BEST WRESTLERS IN THE WORLD....

lol dude you are delusional. Pls do the world a favor and just challange a pure wrestler. Nothing crazy maybe a NCAA div 1 wrestler. Since you run a gym, you might know a few. And pls, pls upload the footage how you get absolutely destroyed.

Like serously do you believe noone here has ever trained and can falsify your shit? Or do you really believe a modern day combat sports champion has never stepped a foot into a MMA gym and crosstrained just a little bit?

1. Nearly every modern combat athlete has crosstrained once in their life (guarantee you Karelin has trained some form of submission grappling)

2. Even if they hadnt they would absolutely destroy most people on this earth in an MMA fight and if they are amongst the top 100 of their discipline including every average Joe who has 4 years of MMA training and even lower competition in bigger MMA orgs.

You have either never trained in a modern day gym or are just a complete retard who makes shit up to support his ludicrous claims.

 

[-guerilla-]

because there's wrestling programs in high school and wrestling scholarships in college?

If it were the best base for MMA people would be teaching it outside of school programs

it has a very low profit potential...thats why it is not the primary martial art of any gym within hundreds of miles of either one of us

 

[-guerilla-]

Wrestling was NEVER the best base. The fact UFC changed their rules to help them is one example. Even after the change, wrestlers got wasted vs Fedor and Big Nog back in the day because taking them down yielded no fruit.

wrestling is a good base for MMA [as long as you know when to quit WRESTLING and learn MMA]

 

[Reffson]

wrestling is a good base for MMA [as long as you know when to quit WRESTLING and learn MMA]

I agree with that. Dan Henderson is a perfect example. Of course it didn't hurt he had a right hand from hell. Same for Yoel. Combination of wrestling and power-punching works. I only wish that Mark Schultz didn't start so late because he could have been a great champ.

 

[-guerilla-]

You understand folkstyle and freestyle are different right? Folkstyle is better base for mma so whether they pursue or have success in freestyle is irrelevant

Cejudo is successful because his folkstyle wrestling base allows him to dictate where the fight takes place

Then how come DC couldn't use his superior folkstyle wrestling to dictate where the fight took place but was forced to stand and bang with far less accomplished wrestlers Stipe and JJ??

Why does Khabib DESTROY all the folkies in his wake??

Why cant Folkstyle win international wrestling??

Freestyle is SUPERIOR for MMA because it has better take-downs

 

[-guerilla-]

I agree with that. Dan Henderson is a perfect example. Of course it didn't hurt he had a right hand from hell. Same for Yoel. Combination of wrestling and power-punching works. I only wish that Mark Schultz didn't start so late because he could have been a great champ.

EXACTALLY

one CANNOT concentrate on wrestling to the detriment of the other skills so important in MMA

nice to have a voice of reason around here

 

[-guerilla-]

Yes I have trained multiple martial arts, and I've had alot of streetfights live and direct growing up and hospitalized multiple people that have tried and failed to assault me numerous times, I am a natural unlike you, but that is besides the point.. because there is no point trying to convince some delusional Godfather of MMA about anything <Lmaoo><Lmaoo><Lmaoo>

You could train for 1000 years and real pro's would fuck you up, you are not gifted, you need to accept this. That is the first part of recovery my friend, acceptance.

We are here for you

so you have ZERO MMA or grappling competition

# fanboy

 

[-guerilla-]

lol dude you are delusional. Pls do the world a favor and just challange a pure wrestler. Nothing crazy maybe a NCAA div 1 wrestler. Since you run a gym, you might know a few. And pls, pls upload the footage how you get absolutely destroyed.

Like serously do you believe noone here has ever trained and can falsify your shit? Or do you really believe a modern day combat sports champion has never stepped a foot into a MMA gym and crosstrained just a little bit?

1. Nearly every modern combat athlete has crosstrained once in their life (guarantee you Karelin has trained some form of submission grappling)

2. Even if they hadnt they would absolutely destroy most people on this earth in an MMA fight and if they are amongst the top 100 of their discipline including every average Joe who has 4 years of MMA training and even lower competition in bigger MMA orgs.

You have either never trained in a modern day gym or are just a complete retard who makes shit up to support his ludicrous claims.

I converted pure wrestlers from my highschool wrestling programs and recruited from wrestling tournaments [where my wrestling team was competing] to MMA for decades and went up against thousands of excellent wrestlers over my decades in MMA, they are 75% of who showed up to my gym, My respondents were 75% wrestlers and 10% BJJ, the rest were strikers

I have 3 losses and not a single one has been to a wrestler

I am a wrestler, I competed as a youth in freestyle and greco until moving to the USA where I wrestled in highschool eventually taking over my old highschool team

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Then how come DC couldn't use his superior folkstyle wrestling to dictate where the fight took place but was forced to stand and bang with far less accomplished wrestlers Stipe and JJ??

Why does Khabib DESTROY all the folkies in his wake??

Why cant Folkstyle win international wrestling??

Freestyle is SUPERIOR for MMA because it has better take-downs

Stipe quit wrestling to pursue baseball so we dont know. Jones didn't have the grade to wrestle d1, could have very easily been as accomplished as DC. Also wrestling is the best base, when you have wrestlers neutralized by eachother the other aspects of their training come into play. Dc wanted to stand up with stipe which is why he lost

 

[Jojomojo]

I converted pure wrestlers from my highschool wrestling programs to MMA for decades and went up against thousands of excellent wrestlers over my decades fighting in MMA

I have 3 losses and not a single one has been to a wrestler

So you have fought "for decades" in the dark era of MMA and only lost three times? how come you aint no champion my man?
How old are you now? Just asking because a 19 year old wrestler would beat your fcking ass.

"Thousands of excellent wrestlers over decades" you arent even hiding that you make shit up

I train at mediocre gym in Germany where we also have some national wrestling prodigys. Sometimes we make these open sparring sessions and turns out a national wrestling champion with no MMa bouts beats most amateurs with 10 or fights with easy. I cant imagine that the level of wrestling prowess in the US is any less.

Maybe when im in the US next year i might visit you and your historical gym. Cant wait to get to know this "godfather of MMA" who not only competes but also teaches people for decades now and has only lost three times.

But why am i even arguing with you, you stated that EVERYBODE i repeat EVERYBODY could beat Karelin in a MMA bout.
What a moron

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

I converted pure wrestlers from my highschool wrestling programs and recruited from wrestling tournaments [where my wrestling team was competing] to MMA for decades and went up against thousands of excellent wrestlers over my decades in MMA, they are 75% of who showed up to my gym, My respondents were 75% wrestlers and 10% BJJ, the rest were strikers

I have 3 losses and not a single one has been to a wrestler

I am a wrestler, I competed as a youth in freestyle and greco until moving to the USA where I wrestled in highschool eventually taking over my old highschool team

List some D1 wrestlers you beat

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

so you have ZERO MMA or grappling competition

# fanboy

You have zero wrestling competition except one year jv as an overweight non athlete

 

[Erratic]

so you have ZERO MMA or grappling competition

# fanboy

And yet i'd still delete a delusional inexplosive bum like you

Delusion at the sheer scale of yours is very dangerous

I've watched combat sports for 20 years, so I have a say as much as a plonker like you that runs a hillbilly 2 man gym out of his garage

We ran a short term fight club ourselves, no gym, nothing serious (just like yours) just there to fight as youngsters.. but we had plenty of people attend and it was easy work fighting those guys, they were just there to have fun and fight and we even had a small crowd of spectators that would come. The real tests I had were in real life actual streetfights and passed with flying colors, thank you very much.

I have no interest in running a gym and nor should i, it doesn't mean you somehow are better than anyone else because you claim to run one (lol) but seem clueless about MMA and almost no one agrees with you.

BOOM, and his head crashes to the floor and his eyes roll back.. night night bambi



/Thread

 

[Cole train]

The thing is there are claims (no real source) that Karelin trained in Combat Sambo as well.


I know an old story from a Swedish wrestling coach about him.
The Swedish wrestlers was doing 3 reps in bench press (cant recall the weight but it was heavy as fuck)
Karelin was there and the Swedes decided to play a joke on him.
Told him they were just warming up... Karelin says "oh ok" and starts to "warm up" on the wrestlers "max".
It was not the Sr wrestlers but it was still insane.

I dont think people today understand how special Karelin really was...
Dude bought a new fridge (you know the old 80 version and Russian ones) carried it up to his 3 floor apartment by him self.

Anybody online claiming they would beat Karelin in any thing lifting / martial arts I laugh at.
Maybe in UFC on PS3

lol this reminds me that one of our guys wrestled him in a tournament and he said he had to let karelin turn him otherwise his ribcage would have broken.

dudes hands were fucking huge and also he was a real nice guy in real life,they offered him all kinds of movie and tv show roles but he just said that he likes to read books and watch ballet