Best thing to order from a subway restaurant?

The nitrates and other preservatives in subway meats probably negates any health benefits of whatever you order. Can't pick the tuna either because its like 90% mayo.
 
I started doing carb back loading 10 weeks ago and I eat a Subway chopped salad for 90% of my lunches. I have dropped from 203# 18%BF to 186.5# 10.3%BF (pinched yesterday). I alternate between a double Steak and Bacon and double chicken and bacon salad (spinach, onions, limited tomato, cucumbers, green peppers, olive oil, cheese, and vinegar. People look at you funny and you hold up the line but the greens are pretty fresh and I know that this has been a huge element of my diet success.
 
I'll play devil's advocate here - I wonder how many of the people trashing on the nitrates found in deli meat also take pre workouts containing nitrates?

...Or eat corned beef on St. Patrick's day?

...Or bacon, hot dogs, salami, or any other preserved meat?

...Or beat root juice?

...Or the vast majority of leafy greens that make up a "clean" diet?


I'm honestly curious, because it seems like there's a bit of a mob mentality going on in this thread.
 
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Synapse said:
I'll play devil's advocate here - I wonder how many of the people trashing on the nitrates found in deli meat also take pre workouts containing nitrates?

...Or eat corned beef on St. Patrick's day?

...Or eat bacon, hot dogs, salami, or any other preserved meat?

...Or beet root juice?

...Or the vast majority of leafy greens that make up a "clean" diet?


I'm honestly curious, because it seems like there's a bit of a mob mentality going on in this thread.
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What is this sensibility?

GET OUT!!
 
Synapse said:
I'll play devil's advocate here - I wonder how many of the people trashing on the nitrates found in deli meat also take pre workouts containing nitrates?

...Or eat corned beef on St. Patrick's day?

...Or bacon, hot dogs, salami, or any other preserved meat?

...Or beat root juice?

...Or the vast majority of leafy greens that make up a "clean" diet?


I'm honestly curious, because it seems like there's a bit of a mob mentality going on in this thread.
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Yea the fear of nitrates is completely misguided
http://chriskresser.com/the-nitrate-and-nitrite-myth-another-reason-not-to-fear-bacon
 
All you tards claiming it is all junk care to explain why?
 
PUO3 said:
All you tards claiming it is all junk care to explain why?
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Because people think ingredients that don't sound "paleo" = ingredients that will riddle your organs with tumors

Like hidden MSG! Except:

A report from the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB) compiled in 1995 on behalf of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) concluded that MSG is safe when "eaten at customary levels" and although there seems to be a subgroup of apparently healthy individuals that respond with the MSG symptom complex when exposed to 3 g of MSG in the absence of food, causality by MSG has not been established because the list of MSG symptoms was based on testimonial reports.
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Not to mention that MSG has been used to flavor foods for literally a century.

Azodicarbonamide! Scary shit! Except:
In the United States, azodicarbonamide has generally recognized as safe (GRAS) status and is allowed to be added to flour at levels up to 45 ppm.[11]
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But it's banned elsewhere! Except the UK banned it because handling it in it's raw form is thought to trigger asthma, and in other countries it's banned because they do not use flour bleaching agents of any kind.

And OMG, nitrates! Except nitrates are completely harmless and found it exponentially greater concentrations in "clean" foods like leafy greens and beets

But what about the deadly carageenen? Except :
Carrageenan's function as a food additive relates to its large molecular weight (200,000 - 800,000 Da) and tight binding to food protein, but also influences carrageenan's fate as it passes through the GI tract. Oral feeding studies with laboratory animals indicate dietary carrageenan is excreted quantitatively [32][33] and is not accumulated in body organs such as the liver or colon;[34] studies disagree with respect to whether it triggers gastrointestinal tract inflammation or contributes to tumor promotion.[3][35] Long-term oral feeding studies found no adverse effects on male or female infant baboons reared from birth to 112 days of age on infant formula containing carrageenan at 5-times the concentration typically present in human infant formula as their only diet,[36] but did observe histopathologic changes in rhesus monkey colon after drinking solution containing 1% undegraded carrageenan.[37] Similarly, while no adverse effects were observed for multi-generations of rats fed up to 5% dietary carrageenan,[38][39] or on hamsters and rats fed for a lifetime diets containing up to 5% carrageenan,[40][41] administration of carrageenan to rodents in drinking water has resulted in some observations of GI-tract effects.[42][43][44] Tight binding of carrageenan to ingested food proteins is considered less available than in drinking water for interaction with the absorptive cells of the GI tract, although some studies have linked food-grade carrageenan to gastrointestinal disease in laboratory animals, including ulcerative colitis-like disease, intestinal lesions, and ulcerations.[45][46][47][48][49]
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But hey, if you're anti-carageenan you might as well call 95% of what you buy at the grocery store categorically unhealthy, because that shit is in literally everything.

...And so on and so on.

Then again, maybe this woman is spot on. Maybe we should petition Subway to remove anything scary sounding. Let's demand that our bread contain no more than 4 ingredients, that our ham is no more than 2 days out from the farm, and that our cheese come from genetically pure wagyu cows that are milked only by the fairest virgin hands. I mean, paying ten times the price for each sub is a small price to pay, right?

Basically that article was written by a woman who has no mind for science or research, can't be bothered to do even the most basic studying, and uses her blog to self proclaim expertise. She's a charlatan who uses fear mongering to generate hits.

/end rant
 
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??? Is there a problem with the information she brought out?
Subway would have sued her if she was spouting BS.
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She also thinks that microwaves turn water evil. I shit you not. Not, like, somehow ruin water, but literally endow it with evil. You may want to get your dietary advice elsewhere.

Also, it's very easy to skirt the law when it comes to claims like she is making. It's very easy to label things as carcinogens, as nearly everything is carcinogenic in sufficiently ridiculous quantities. The "yoga mat chemical" IS used for industrial purposes... as are all kinds of things we eat. The plant extract used to make tapioca (and thus the ever popular Boba) was used as a deadly neurotoxin for hundreds of years by pacific islanders. The chemophobia in the U.S. is reaching ridiculous levels. The general public is now so scientifically illiterate that a large portion of people now believe that products can be "chemical free" or that things that are "natural" are somehow better for you.
 
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Siderealmotion said:
She also thinks that microwaves turn water evil. I shit you not. Not, like, somehow ruin water, but literally endow it with evil. You may want to get your dietary advice elsewhere.

Also, it's very easy to skirt the law when it comes to claims like she is making. It's very easy to label things as carcinogens, as nearly everything is carcinogenic in sufficiently ridiculous quantities. The "yoga mat chemical" IS used for industrial purposes... as are all kinds of things we eat. The plant extract used to make tapioca (and thus the ever popular Boba) was used as a deadly neurotoxin for hundreds of years by pacific islanders. The chemophobia in the U.S. is reaching ridiculous levels. The general public is now so scientifically illiterate that a large portion of people now believe that products can be "chemical free" or that things that are "natural" are somehow better for you.
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Well then give me links that prove her wrong with Subway and Taco Bell.
I don't use her as a source of general information. Subway in fact is adjusting it's food in response to her investigations.

Don't nuke a source because their beliefs don't coincide with your own. Or if they are wrong on some things. Look shit up.

Non Food Babe articles on Subway.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-subway-customers-really-arent-eating-as-fresh-as-they-think/
http://www.fakefoodwatch.com/2013/06/subways-chemical-laced-sandwiches.html
http://healthwyze.org/index.php/com...taurant-of-the-year-award-goes-to-subway.html
http://primaltoad.com/subway/

Sue me, I used a food babe article. She isn't the only one on Subway's ass for food ingredients.

And yes Microwaves do F with water. No idea how though.
http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

If you think
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane
Belongs in our food then you are insane.
 
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grndzro said:
Well then give me links that prove her wrong with Subway and Taco Bell.
I don't use her as a source of general information. Subway in fact is adjusting it's food in response to her investigations.

Don't nuke a source because their beliefs don't coincide with your own. Or if they are wrong on some things. Look shit up.

Non Food Babe articles on Subway.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-subway-customers-really-arent-eating-as-fresh-as-they-think/
http://www.fakefoodwatch.com/2013/06/subways-chemical-laced-sandwiches.html
http://healthwyze.org/index.php/com...taurant-of-the-year-award-goes-to-subway.html
http://primaltoad.com/subway/

Sue me, I used a food babe article. She isn't the only one on Subway's ass for food ingredients.
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But she isn't making any real, testable claims. She is just asserting that these chemicals sound scary, and are used in other places, and therefore are bad.
 
Siderealmotion said:
But she isn't making any real, testable claims. She is just asserting that these chemicals sound scary, and are used in other places, and therefore are bad.
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Just look up the ingredients she says are bad. Easy enough.

She is an investigative food journalist. You should look up her claims.

Say what you want about her. She got Subway to remove that chemical from their bread in 2 days.
She launched the petition and had a spot on Alex Jones and Subway 2 days later announced they are removing it.
 
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grndzro said:
Well then give me links that prove her wrong with Subway and Taco Bell.
I don't use her as a source of general information. Subway in fact is adjusting it's food in response to her investigations.

Don't nuke a source because their beliefs don't coincide with your own. Or if they are wrong on some things. Look shit up.

Non Food Babe articles on Subway.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-subway-customers-really-arent-eating-as-fresh-as-they-think/
http://www.fakefoodwatch.com/2013/06/subways-chemical-laced-sandwiches.html
http://healthwyze.org/index.php/com...taurant-of-the-year-award-goes-to-subway.html
http://primaltoad.com/subway/

Sue me, I used a food babe article. She isn't the only one on Subway's ass for food ingredients.

And yes Microwaves do F with water. No idea how though.
http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

If you think
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane
Belongs in our food then you are insane.
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Do you actually read the things you link?

I am asking this is in 100% complete seriousness.

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

This link, that you posted to illustrate that microwaved water is somehow altered, DIRECTLY DISPROVES that microwaving water changes it in any way. Furthermore, it's an article about how absurd the claim is in the first place, and how it is easily debunked by using an experiment that adhered to the most basic scientific principles.

I literally determined this within no more more than 60 seconds of reading the link you posted.

You probably don't care in the slightest, but from the posts you make on this board, you have zero credibility in my eyes. I've said it in a previous post and I'll say it again; you are exactly the type of person who knows just enough to be dangerous.
 
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Synapse said:
Do you actually read the things you link?

I am asking this is in 100% complete seriousness.

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

This link, that you posted to illustrate that microwaved water is somehow altered, DIRECTLY DISPROVES that microwaving water changes it in any way. Furthermore, it's an article about how absurd the claim is in the first place, and how it is easily debunked by using an experiment that adhered to the most basic scientific principles.

I literally determined this within no more more than 60 seconds of reading the link you posted.

You probably don't care in the slightest, but from the posts you make on this board, you have zero credibility in my eyes. I've said it in a previous post and I'll say it again; you are exactly the type of person who knows just enough to be dangerous.
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Not all microwaves use the same wavelength.
Not all water has the same minerals in it.
Was there a difference in how long the water was microwaved?
Without an actual study involving apples to apples there is no way to disprove it.

We know that microwaving can alter minerals. Why is it so hard for you to believe that there could be something in her water that when microwaved kills plants?

Microwaves were banned in Russia for 20 years. That couldn't be for no reason.

Do you really think a 6th grader would be lying about the experiment?

Here is another where the water kills the plant. Some truth is probably in there somewhere, but with contradictory evidence it is hard to say.
http://lauras-oils.blogspot.com/2012/03/effect-of-microwaved-water-on-basil.html

In the end Microwaved water most probably does not affect plants. But Microwaves certainly alter foods.
 
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grndzro said:
Just look up the ingredients she says are bad. Easy enough.

She is an investigative food journalist. You should look up her claims.

Say what you want about her. She got Subway to remove that chemical from their bread in 2 days.
She launched the petition and had a spot on Alex Jones and Subway 2 days later announced they are removing it.
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None of the chemicals she railed against have any negative effects at any quantity a human being has any chance of consuming through food.

The idea that popular opinion caused a company to remove something from their bread recipe, so that thing MUST be bad is ridiculous. As is the claim that something is banned in another country, so it must be bad. Bans are enacted by politicians, not scientists.
 
Siderealmotion said:
None of the chemicals she railed against have any negative effects at any quantity a human being has any chance of consuming through food.

The idea that popular opinion caused a company to remove something from their bread recipe, so that thing MUST be bad is ridiculous. As is the claim that something is banned in another country, so it must be bad. Bans are enacted by politicians, not scientists.
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I give up you win. Have fun eating at Subway.
 
grndzro said:
Not all microwaves use the same wavelength.
Not all water has the same minerals in it.
Was there a difference in how long the water was microwaved?
Without an actual study involving apples to apples there is no way to disprove it.

We know that microwaving can alter minerals. Why is it so hard for you to believe that there could be something in her water that when microwaved kills plants?

Microwaves were banned in Russia for 20 years. That couldn't be for no reason.

Do you really think a 6th grader would be lying about the experiment?

In the end Microwaved water most probably does not affect plants. But Microwaves certainly alter foods.
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I'm going to say the following knowing full well that it will have zero impact on your thinking:

Without an actual study involving apples to apples there is no way to disprove it.
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I would like you to apply that logic to everything you have posted so far in this thread, and see if your perspective changes. You've spent this entire thread making outlandish claims based off of hearsay, mob mentality, "if 100 people say it, it MUST be true". You draw hard conclusions based off of circular logic, and your reasoning is completely devoid of a shred of actual evidence.

You don't site research, you don't site studies, yet you make definitive statements with 100% confidence based off of...nothing. Nothing with any real, scientific merit of any kind.

And apparently, you don't even READ the things you site. I mean seriously dude, you blatantly did not even read the link you posted.

I will tell you why it's so hard for me to believe what you suggest: I don't operate on belief. I operate on fact. I suggest you do the same before you deem yourself fit to offer health advice to anyone in the future.
 
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