Best MA for MMA takedowns: freestyle, Greco, sambo or judo?

[Rubios]

This ^

I doubt between sambo or freestyle for lighter weight classes, and Greco for heavy ones.

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

that --->

 

[SamuraiBro]

Depends how you apply them

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

I’d say striking is probably best, as if you drop someone, it counts as a significant strike as well as a takedown

 

[Luckyme]

All of the above.

The Dagestanis cross train in all of the grappling arts. You can see it in the versatility of Islam's takedowns.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Greco.
TD don't leave your neck exposed like other forms of wrestling.
Judo relies on different grips that doesn't necessarily work without it. Judo trips are great.
Sambo has the same problem judo has. Sambo is judo with punches.

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

Greco.
TD don't leave your neck exposed like other forms of wrestling.
Judo relies on different grips that doesn't necessarily work without it. Judo trips are great.
Sambo has the same problem judo has.

Really?
Do you have some kind of personal investment in that choice?

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Really?
Do you have some kind of personal investment in that choice?

No I've done folkstyle and judo before never Greco

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

No I've done folkstyle and judo before never Greco

I see.
None of them worked out well for you but I am sure Greco will!
Sorry!
I am a natural born asshole.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

I couldn’t tell you the difference between certain wrestling styles, and rules. I literally don’t know.

Back in 1978, Edmonton hosted the Commonwealth Games (which is why our stadium is named Commonwealth Stadium).

The games were taking place over the summer school holidays. In our final report cards in my school, and grade we got free tix to Track, and field, swimming, and wrestling. So we all had the same events, and days to attend.

I went to wrestling, and it was okay. But as a Canadian, I was used to more violence in my sports. It just doesn’t resonate with me. Nor does grappling. But I love both as they are incorporated in mma.

 

[Fedorgasm]

It's between freestyle and Greco.

Randy Couture and Jon Jones are probably the best at adapting Greco to the cage.

But then you have greats like GSP, Hughes, Coleman, randleman, Kerr, who were all great at freestyle takedowns too

 

[laleggenda27]

Greco. Most takedowns come from the clinch. Back in the day, a good blast double from a freestyle wrestler was usually easy money. But tdd has progressed to a point where those days are over, unless you can then chain wrestle.

That being said, Greco guys tend to be less athletic, which I think makes it harder for them to transition to mma.

 

[don't ask]

Greco.
TD don't leave your neck exposed like other forms of wrestling.
Judo relies on different grips that doesn't necessarily work without it. Judo trips are great.
Sambo has the same problem judo has. Sambo is judo with punches.

Just let me nitpick for a second. Sambo is Judo with leg locks and without chokes. Combat Sambo is mostly Judo with punches, but there are a ton of wrestlers in it, too.

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

I couldn’t tell you the difference between certain wrestling styles, and rules. I literally don’t know.

Back in 1978, Edmonton hosted the Commonwealth Games (which is why our stadium is named Commonwealth Stadium).

The games were taking place over the summer school holidays. In our final report cards in my school, and grade we got free tix to Track, and field, swimming, and wrestling. So we all had the same events, and days to attend.

I went to wrestling, and it was okay. But as a Canadian, I was used to more violence in my sports. It just doesn’t resonate with me. Nor does grappling. But I love both as they are incorporated in mma.

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I actually think Greco is what you where looking for!
You just do it on skates and get to punch the other guy in the face!

 

[markantony20]

Freestyle probably has the highest success rate


Sambo is a hybrid style and much of their takedowns come from Judo and Freestyle wrestling. And since it’s a style of jacket wrestling in MMA without the jacket it’s majority freestyle takedowns and judo style trips and hip tosses. Of course it depends on the Sambist, if you look at Fedor and his team you can very much see a more heavy judo style and the Dagestani crew have(for the most part) a more wrestling heavy style.

 

[markantony20]

I don’t know about GR as a pure style of wrestling in MMA.

Of course there are ATG like Randy and JBJ who have great GR style takedowns.

But they also shoot for the legs a lot or use GR clinches to secure a grip around the legs.

I’m not super familiar but I was under the impression that GR doesn’t allow below the waist attacks?

Obviously that doesn’t stop a GR style fighter from attacking the legs in MMA but I would just assume that training a style that allows attacks to the whole body is more beneficial in a grappling sense.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Just let me nitpick for a second. Sambo is Judo with leg locks and without chokes. Combat Sambo is mostly Judo with punches, but there are a ton of wrestlers in it, too.

Judo has leg locks. Judo was where I was introduced to leg locks. The gym I went to though was geared towards old school judo and not this sport judo nonsense. And judo has chokes. Everything bjj has judo has. Bjj is just the newaza part of judo.

Yes to Combat sambo. Judo with punches.

 

[markantony20]

This ^

I doubt between sambo or freestyle for lighter weight classes, and Greco for heavy ones.

the two most notable wrestlers in the current HW division are Blaydes and JBJ imo.

JBJ is a GR style guy and I think Blaydes is a Folkstyle guy.

I’d say it’s pretty diverse still in terms of styles.

 

[markantony20]

Judo has leg locks. Judo was where I was introduced. The gym I went to though was geared towards old school judo and not this sport judo nonsense. And judo has chokes. Everything bjj has judo has. Bjj is just the newaza part of judo.

Yes to Combat sambo. Judo with punches.

I think the problem with judo currently is that you’re going to have a big trade off.

If you go to a competition oriented gym you’ll get a less comprehensive style because of the current meta of competition rule sets, but you’ll probably get higher quality training partners since it’s a very big sport with lots of great athletes competing.

If you go to a older style gym one that allows more leg grips and more emphasis on Newaza you’ll get a more comprehensive style but it’s a more niche style and not as many people will train(normally) because a lot of people want to participate in judo for competition.

Just my opinion though.

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

Why is Sambo even in this shit thread?
Have I missed something or has that mess of stolen techniques now produced a takedown of its own for the first time?