Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

Also keep in mind that in a couple years no one will start with one discipline then move on to the others, nowadays people start practicing mma from the start and perfect what they think is lacking.
 
symphonyx547 said:
If anyone's goal is to become a mma fighter then they should be training every thing and training every thing with top guys. I'm talking about guys that come from one background and then come into MMA. the fact remains no one can say boxers can't do it well becasue a top boxers has never tried and never will until money is there
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Your argument works both ways, just because no one tried doesn't mean they would do any good either.

If you want to follow your argument that someone coming from a striking background will have better chin at least say kick boxing since it will get you much more prepared for an mma match than boxing will.
 
Boyakasha said:
Your argument works both ways, just because no one tried doesn't mean they would do any good either.

If you want to follow your argument that someone coming from a striking background will have better chin at least say kick boxing since it will get you much more prepared for an mma match than boxing will.
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Not really, the level of athletes in Boxering is way higher then kickboxing
 
symphonyx547 said:
Yeah and Bisping has a good chin and decent heart along with better athletism, striking and grappling so what's your point
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ok my point is

1) you're stating that boxing is the best base to have in MMA because

1)boxers have more heart
2)boxers have a better chin

2)I'm arguing no it isn't because

1)you can't teach heart, it's a state of mind, it doesn't matter what you're background is
2)Chin is something you are born with, so doing boxing aint going to change anything
3)chin and heart only take you so far in a fight, if a guy has more skill than you he has more skill, being able to handle being taken down or eating his punches isn't going to score you points with the judges. Which brings me to 4
4) A pure wrestler can beat a pure boxer in MMA rules because a wrestler can have no stand up and still take down a pure boxer with ease and pound him out, wrestlers are used to getting in close and taking down a resisting opponent, where as a boxer doesn't know how to deal with a guy changing levels and hitting him with a double leg takedown. This is no secret. and nearly all striker vs grappler fights play out this way.

with those points it is my conclusion that grappling is a better base to have going into MMA.

To argue beyond this would be like banging my head against a wall. I'm heading back to the OT
 
madrobbo said:
now you're talking about which sport has better athletes not the best base for MMA
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athletism is a big part of the base. I've seen great BJJers that are horriable athletes, but i've never seen a great boxers that not a great athlete relative to there size. so those kinda things are why i say a top boxer could do great if they took the time to learn the other aspects of MMA
 
not saying its the best but muay thai is a good start i would have loven to see royce in the early ufcs vs a world class muay thai fighter maybe sanchai that would be good
 
ShaneMTking said:
not saying its the best but muay thai is a good start i would have loven to see royce in the early ufcs vs a world class muay thai fighter maybe sanchai that would be good
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I would've loved to see early Royce agaist any top fighter in a disiclne. Can you imagine how bad he would've got his ass kicked by a Kerr or Coleman. They could've kept the fight up and knock him out or maul him on the ground
 
symphonyx547 said:
athletism is a big part of the base. I've seen great BJJers that are horriable athletes, but i've never seen a great boxers that not a great athlete relative to there size. so those kinda things are why i say a top boxer could do great if they took the time to learn the other aspects of MMA
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Being an athlete is an individual quality not a skill set.
 
symphonyx547 said:
I would've loved to see early Royce agaist any top fighter in a disiclne. Can you imagine how bad he would've got his ass kicked by a Kerr or Coleman. They could've kept the fight up and knock him out or maul him on the ground
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i have seen a few early ufc's but was the figters royce fighting top of there disciplines?
 
madrobbo said:
Being an athlete is an individual quality not a skill set.
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Yeah, but it's a quality of the top in boxing like many sports. Was Lebron James without size and athletism? there's a million more technical basketball players. What's a wrestler without strength? if your going to make that arugment agaist striking i can make more of a arugment agaist wrestling.
 
symphonyx547 said:
Yeah, but it's a quality of the top in boxing like many sports. Was Lebron James without size and athletism? there's a million more technical basketball players. What's a wrestler without strength? if your going to make that arugment agaist striking i can make more of a arugment agaist wrestling.
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huh??? you're going off track now. You stated that the best base for MMA is boxing yet the only thing you keep going on about is that boxers are better athletes.

Thats not a base. A base is a skill set and as far as skill sets go boxing isn't the best wrestling is cause the wrestler beats the boxer 90% of the time. Hence whenever a striker gets pounded out they say it was a typical striker vs grappler match up.

This is more of a thread for you to say you're favourite boxers are better athletes than Mixed martial artists. If thats the case then piss off to a boxing forum and nuthug in there.
 
madrobbo said:
huh??? you're going off track now. You stated that the best base for MMA is boxing yet the only thing you keep going on about is that boxers are better athletes.

Thats not a base. A base is a skill set and as far as skill sets go boxing isn't the best wrestling is cause the wrestler beats the boxer 90% of the time. Hence whenever a striker gets pounded out they say it was a typical striker vs grappler match up.

This is more of a thread for you to say you're favourite boxers are better athletes than Mixed martial artists. If thats the case then piss off to a boxing forum and nuthug in there.
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Wrestling technique does nothing without the things that comealong with being a good wrestler like strength, cardio, athletism, so to take awway the things that make one great is stupid. Like i said a top boxers have more things going for them then any grappling style guy has. Can you think of a top boxers that has pussed out like Vinnie? Lutter? Look at Hughes a UFC hofer yet looks scared to death when he gets hit and wouldn't even stand up with R. Gracie. Once guys developed good T Down D his grappling skill set is useless
 
To come from a prestigious striking background guarentees that you completly outclass most guys in MMA standing. Just how Cro Cop came from K-1 and learnt submission and takedown defence. Since nobody could take him down they were forced to trade with a striker who they could never hold a candle to.
 
Hmmm. I don't think you're suggesting that boxing is a good base for an mma fighter. I think you're just saying an MMA fighter needs heart. And isn't that just a genetic thing that any type of fighter could have? I do partially agree with you tho.
 
i'd say it was muay thai coz it gives you an edge over just boxers and kickboxers but still will have trouble on the ground
 
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