Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

[Atomic_blast]

I agree competely, you can make it to the UFC and be a compete puss like we've seen from a couple fighters. then we've seen fighters that are good, but don't have the greatest heart. These are things that you can't teach. any good athlete can get good at wrestling/ bjj if they put in the time. Not anyone can learn to have heart or a soild chin

Excuse my sloppy typos. Had to fix it.


But you know what I am talking about. Strikers (kickboxers and boxers) already are used to getting hit. In MMA they can adapt better and really have to at first learn about takedown defenses and submission defenses and has time goes by learn actual subissions and ground grappling.

 

[Corey Roberts]

Uhhh...Athletism usually equals better adaptations when learning something new or strengthning what you already know, you idiot (you called me tool).

Lesnar and GSP proved this.

That is the advantage wrestlers have over BJJ grapplers is hat wrestlers have to be athletic to succeed in he Collegiate or Aature level while BJJ grapplers don' required the same level of work ethic that Wresters requires

only cause you called me racist lol

athletism has nothing to do with base though, RJJ is an amazing athlete, if his base was wrestling he'd be world class at that and once he got into MMA cause of his natural ability he'd pick up boxing quicker than other athletes. We're not talking about athletes were talking about base and the best base to have is the most dominant one. Thats wrestling cause you may not have no stand up but you can put a pure boxer on his back and pound him out and there aint a dam thing he can do about it.

 

[symphonyx547**]

only cause you called me racist lol

athletism has nothing to do with base though, RJJ is an amazing athlete, if his base was wrestling he'd be world class at that and once he got into MMA cause of his natural ability he'd pick up boxing quicker than other athletes. We're not talking about athletes were talking about base and the best base to have is the most dominant one. Thats wrestling cause you may not have no stand up but you can put a pure boxer on his back and pound him out and there aint a dam thing he can do about it.

Yeah, but boxers have all the things neccary to be a good fighter besides grappling technique. They have heart. Athletism, chin, boxing technique.

Where a top grappler might only have wrestling technique and athletism

 

[Atomic_blast]

only cause you called me racist lol

athletism has nothing to do with base though, RJJ is an amazing athlete, if his base was wrestling he'd be world class at that and once he got into MMA cause of his natural ability he'd pick up boxing quicker than other athletes. We're not talking about athletes were talking about base and the best base to have is the most dominant one. Thats wrestling cause you may not have no stand up but you can put a pure boxer on his back and pound him out and there aint a dam thing he can do about it.

Look at my post #192.

 

[Corey Roberts]

Excuse my sloppy typos. Had to fix it.


But you know what I am talking about. Strikers (kickboxers and boxers) already are used to getting hit. In MMA they can adapt better and really have to at first learn about takedown defenses and submission defenses and has time goes by learn actual subissions and ground grappling.

But their not used to throwing a jab then having a guy change levels and power into them, scoop up their legs and dunk them on the ground.

It works both ways.

There's also boxers that don't recover from brutal knockouts either. It doesn't take too long to know what it's like to get hit in the head. Thats what sparring's for

 

[Boyakasha]

I disagree entirely.

You're not gonna teach heart along with jabs and uppercuts so the heart point is not valid.

About the chin it's obvious that the better your chin the better your chances of winning but having a good chin alone won't do anything for you, especially if your opponent keeps mowing your legs down with leg kicks of taking you down repetedly (in which case he can just submit you).

That being said I think every fighter should work on his boxing but I personally think starting out with wrestling, bjj or muay thai would have much better results.

 

[WAR WANDERLEI**]

Boxing is one of the worst bases for MMA in my opinion. I'd say the best are either sambo or wrestling.
If you come into an MMA match in a boxing stance your going to get the shit low kicked out of you, and there is no way of blocking with 4 oz gloves. The best pure striking base would be Muay Thai imo

 

[Atomic_blast]

Yeah, but boxers have all the things neccary to be a good fighter besides grappling technique. They have heart. Athletism, chin, boxing technique.

Where a top grappler might only have wrestling technique and athletism

Exactly. Wrestlers have solid athletism but may not have heart or ability to take hits.

BJJ grapplers have subissions techniques but don't have to be as athletic as a Pro Boxer or Collegiate Wrestler to succeed and may not have the heart or ability to take hits.

Boxers and Kickboxers already know how to take hits and has to be very athletic to succeed in their sport so that compliments them better in MMA then wrestlers and grapplers in my opinion.

 

[symphonyx547**]

But their not used to throwing a jab then having a guy change levels and power into them, scoop up their legs and dunk them on the ground.

It works both ways.

Yeah they can learn to deal with that. you can't teach heart, or chin

 

[symphonyx547**]

I disagree entirely.

You're not gonna teach heart along with jabs and uppercuts so the heart point is not valid.

About the chin it's obvious that the better your chin the better your chances of winning but having a good chin alone won't do anything for you, especially if your opponent keeps mowing your legs down with leg kicks of taking you down repetedly (in which case he can just submit you).

That being said I think every fighter should work on his boxing but I personally think starting out with wrestling, bjj or muay thai would have much better results.

You can't teach heart and that's why top boxers have the advantage becasue they allready know they have it along with Chin

 

[Corey Roberts]

Yeah they can learn to deal with that. you can't teach heart, or chin

LOL boxing doesn't teach heart or chin either, heart is a state of mind not wanting to quit, chin is something you're born with.

They also have nothing to do with skill. A wrestler won't have to call on heart or chin to defeat a boxer if he scoops him up and dunks him and pounds him out.

You're saying only boxers have a heart and chin which is the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

 

[symphonyx547**]

Boxing is one of the worst bases for MMA in my opinion. I'd say the best are either sambo or wrestling.
If you come into an MMA match in a boxing stance your going to get the shit low kicked out of you, and there is no way of blocking with 4 oz gloves. The best pure striking base would be Muay Thai imo

It's called head movement and footwork. If Urijah(who happens to have very good striking for MMA) faught many P in a boxing match with 4oz golves pac man wouldn't get hit and Urijah wouldn't make it 3 min.

 

[symphonyx547**]

LOL boxing doesn't teach heart or chin either, heart is a state of mind not wanting to quit, chin is something you're born with.

They also have nothing to do with skill. A wrestler won't have to call on heart or chin to defeat a boxer if he scoops him up and dunks him and pounds him out.

You're saying only boxers have a heart and chin which is the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

Top boxers all have heart and Chin something you can say all Wrestlers or BJJ's have. so my point is true. The most imprortant factor of being a good MMA fighter beyong technique is heart and Chin. without those two things your not making it too the top not matter how great your technique gets. Anyone can develope technqiue with enough work

 

[Corey Roberts]

It's called head movement and footwork. If Urijah(who happens to have very good striking for MMA) faught many P in a boxing match with 4oz golves pac man wouldn't get hit and Urijah wouldn't make it 3 min.

and it pac man fought urijah in mma he'd get taken down and pounded out.

Once again if you're saying boxers have more heart and a better chin than wrestlers,BJJ and MMA guys then this is a whole different debate.

 

[Nickynoneck]

the best base is a grappling base then muay thai

 

[Corey Roberts]

Top boxers all have heart and Chin something you can say all Wrestlers or BJJ's have. so my point is true. The most imprortant factor of being a good MMA fighter beyong technique is heart and Chin. without those two things your not making it too the top not matter how great your technique gets. Anyone can develope technqiue with enough work

Heart and chin only wins fights when skill level is equal, apart from that heart and chin don't do much. Look at leben has an awesome chin and a lot of heart, bispings skill trumped that.

 

[symphonyx547**]

and it pac man fought urijah in mma he'd get taken down and pounded out.

Once again if you're saying boxers have more heart and a better chin than wrestlers,BJJ and MMA guys then this is a whole different debate.

That's my whole point. Lets look at the things that make up the perfect fighter. Sure there are sub cat. but this is what it takes in general
1) Heart
2) Chin
3) Grappling Technique
4) Striking Technique
5) Athletism


guess what top boxers have 4 of those all ready. Top grapplers have 2 for sure some have 3 and some have 4.

 

[Boyakasha]

You can't teach heart and that's why top boxers have the advantage becasue they allready know they have it along with Chin

First of all if you can't teach heart coming from boxing does not matter since you're not going to learn it by practicing boxing.

What does happen is that if you have a glass chin you're going to get KTFO and will never make it to to "top boxer" but then again no top boxer would want to transition to mma, not only because of the money, more because they already reached the top in that limited sport so why take the chance of some muay thai practicioner disabling you from walkin for weeks or getting taken down panic and get submitted, it's not worth the trouble even if mma pays more.

Now if you mean a "normal" boxer transitioning to mma and not a "top boxer" you won't really know if his chin sucks because it's not been tested, and let me stress this once again as you said yourself you don't teach chin so being a boxer will not change your chin at all therefore you can't use it as an argument.



Say I decide to become an mma fighter and I follow your advice that boxing is the best base, I will start by boxing and master it before moving on to other martial arts, if my chin was weak in the first place starting out boxing will not change that fact so it's, therefore, better to start it out with something else such as wrestling which will allow me to do well even if my chin sucks balls.

 

[symphonyx547**]

Heart and chin only wins fights when skill level is equal, apart from that heart and chin don't do much. Look at leben has an awesome chin and a lot of heart, bispings skill trumped that.

Yeah and Bisping has a good chin and decent heart along with better athletism, striking and grappling so what's your point

 

[symphonyx547**]

First of all if you can't teach heart coming from boxing does not matter since you're not going to learn it by practicing boxing.

What does happen is that if you have a glass chin you're going to get KTFO and will never make it to to "top boxer" but then again no top boxer would want to transition to mma, not only because of the money, more because they already reached the top in that limited sport so why take the chance of some muay thai practicioner disabling you from walkin for weeks or getting taken down panic and get submitted, it's not worth the trouble even if mma pays more.

Now if you mean a "normal" boxer transitioning to mma and not a "top boxer" you won't really know if his chin sucks because it's not been tested, and let me stress this once again as you said yourself you don't teach chin so being a boxer will not change your chin at all therefore you can't use it as an argument.



Say I decide to become an mma fighter and I follow your advice that boxing is the best base, I will start by boxing and master it before moving on to other martial arts, if my chin was weak in the first place starting out boxing will not change that fact so it's, therefore, better to start it out with something else such as wrestling which will allow me to do well even if my chin sucks balls.

If anyone's goal is to become a mma fighter then they should be training every thing and training every thing with top guys. I'm talking about guys that come from one background and then come into MMA. the fact remains no one can say boxers can't do it well becasue a top boxers has never tried and never will until money is there