Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

[Corey Roberts]

That's best wrestlers have no where else to go to make money. Boxers box to make money, Kick boxers kick box to make money, so why would they go to a different style and make less money. If boxing compely stopped then you'd see guys like MAny. P dominating MMA within 2 years at there weight classes

Thats cause of their natural ability not because they know boxing. You take pac man right this very second and put him in a MMA fight against a pure BJJ guy he'll get taken down and submitted. Hence why BJJ is the better base to work off.

 

[Corona]

That's best wrestlers have no where else to go to make money. Boxers box to make money, Kick boxers kick box to make money, so why would they go to a different style and make less money. If boxing compely stopped then you'd see guys like MAny. P dominating MMA within 2 years at there weight classes

only big name boxers make big money, and boxing is on a fast road down while mma is on a fast road up. I don't even know why you are arguing this, there isn't enough evidence to prove or even compare that boxing is a stronger base than wrestling. I can name 15 legimate top tier fighters with wrestling in their divisions off the top of my head, i can probably name 5 strikers after thinking about it for a minute.

 

[symphonyx547**]

Yeah dig yourself a bigger hole dumbass! Manny P would dominate mma in 2 years hahahah. You know what arguing with a smart person like yourself is a dead end thanks for showing me that!

Why wouldn't he have a good chance? Cro Cop is far from the level of Many P and went staight from K boxing and become a top fighter within a couple years. Mark Hunt also

 

[mego]

I disagree, I think wrestling is the best base, ground and pound is more about ferocity than perfect technique, and training wrestling has a ton of "fighters spirit" as you like to call it, They train so ridiculously hard all the time. Plus just think about how many wrestlers that do ok in mma even without a known or visible game of anything else (sure most of them dont mind to box but they only are willing to do that if they are winning the exchange) Being a good wrestlers allows you to dictate where the fight goes and they have been training to do that ever since day one.

being able to manipulate someone on the ground is less risky overall than having a boxing base

mind you theres bad wrestler habits but still i think it is the best base for mma (for most people anyways)

 

[machadojj]

Striking is much easier to teach than grappling. So, no.

 

[Corey Roberts]

only big name boxers make big money, and boxing is on a fast road down while mma is on a fast road up. I don't even know why you are arguing this, there isn't enough evidence to prove or even compare that boxing is a stronger base than wrestling. I can name 15 legimate top tier fighters with wrestling in their divisions off the top of my head, i can probably name 5 strikers after thinking about it for a minute.

Yeah i don't know where he's going with this. He's arguing boxing is the best base but if you take a pure boxer and put him up against a pure wrestler, the wrestler will win because it's easier to take someone down than to knock them out. It's been proven time and time again. Just watch tuf2 where joe stevenson handed marcus davis a beating.

 

[Atomic_blast]

dear god you're really serious.

There's a reason why boxers never won the origianl UFC tournaments.

EDIT: For the retards that class only elite boxers as boxers. There were boxers in those tournaments and they never won. As for a base no it sucks for mma because a couple of the ways you're taught to slip punches leaves you wide open for a head kick. Boxing doesn't teach you anything that muay thai doesn't. Muay thai is the best striking base.

No striker won those tournaments you idiot. What is your point?

Yet in Russia they had tournamnets just like the UFC tournamens here and a pure Boxer won those tournaments including by beating a BJJ black belt under Ryan Gracie Adilson Lima by a 40+ second knock out.

Igor won because he had power, something Art Jimmerson really didn't have. Plus it is very unfair to bring those dudes up as a example for your retardation because none were in the same league of a prime Mike Tyson or Roy Jones Jr.

A Heavyweight MT Champ was in the early UFC and got cream by Mark Kerr and Mark Coleman so I guess MT sucks too right?


About the slipping and head kicks, the slipping and bob and weave was originally created to avoid head kicks you moron. Bob and weave came from the Filipino style of Mano Mano, part of the Escrima art which was made to avoid head kicks, punches and stick weapons.

MT does not teach sliping, bob and weave, foot work, side stepping and counter, crisp combos, utilizing combos, jabs and ect ect ect.


You are a MT geek who rolls a rolling pin up and down your chin and kick the heavy bag5 0 times each leg and with your sloppy hay makers you thin you can fuck anyone up. Lol. fucking douche.

 

[Hylix]

Wrestling, you meant wrestling. Boxing is under rated by 90% of the people here who think kickboxing and MT are worlds better but honestly for MMA they are since you know... they utilize kicks and knees.

However I would put money on an elite pro boxer over any MMA or K-1 striker based on them being superior athletes as well as just more physically gifted. Its not like elite level boxers are all in boxing because they love it so much more than kickboxing ext. Its because there is so much money in it. I promise you that Pacquiao or Klitschko would beat the shit out of the best MT and Kickboxers in K-1 based only on hand speed and head movement not to mention power. Do you really think athletes of that caliber wouldn't adjust their training to the rules and just come in and walk right though whoever was put in front of them?

 

[machadojj]

I disagree, I think wrestling is the best base, ground and pound is more about ferocity than perfect technique, and training wrestling has a ton of "fighters spirit" as you like to call it, They train so ridiculously hard all the time. Plus just think about how many wrestlers that do ok in mma even without a known or visible game of anything else (sure most of them dont mind to box but they only are willing to do that if they are winning the exchange)

being able to manipulate someone on the ground is less risky overall than having a boxing base

mind you theres bad wrestler habits but still i think it is the best base for mma (for most people anyways)

this is controversial. One dimensional BJJ guys are often successful in MMA as well. IMO, most grappling arts that have submissions are probably the optimal base (catch wrestling, BJJ, sambo, judo)

 

[IrishInside]

we just wont know for a long time cause boxing is MUCH bigger than Mma and top boxers stay where they are making millions en route to a happy punch drunk retirement.

 

[mr.allday]

Name a BJJ or Wrestler that is dominating only using that and no other training at all? You can't becasue in MMA you have to be at least good in 2 styles. the thing you say about Wrestlers/ BJJ is the same thing i can say. Tell all the guys that are winning using strikes that it's useless and they'll laugh at you

Demian Maia comes to mind, however I didn't argue one way or another. You have to have all three skills to make it today. You my friend need some more schooling before you argue with people who know what they are talking about. I value boxing, kickboxing (which in my opinion is as important as boxing or any of the other base's), wrestling, bjj, or judo if you prefer, sambo etc... If your point was stronger you would have had no argument from me, but it wasn't!

 

[Corey Roberts]

No striker won those tournaments you idiot. What is your point?

Yet in Russia they had tournamnets just like the UFC tournamens here and a pure Boxer won those tournaments including by beating a BJJ black belt under Ryan Gracie Adilson Lima by a 40+ second knock out.

Igor won because he had power, something Art Jimmerson really didn't have. Plus it is very unfair to bring those dudes up as a example for your retardation because none were in the same league of a prime Mike Tyson or Roy Jones Jr.

I never said a striker won those tournaments you dickhead.

What so because one pure boxer wins 1 tournament out of several tournaments that were held which grapplers have dominated it is suddenly the best base to have???

to put it simple so you're mind can comprehend it

low level BJJ> low level boxer

World champion BJJ > world champion boxer

 

[mr.allday]

Why wouldn't he have a good chance? Cro Cop is far from the level of Many P and went staight from K boxing and become a top fighter within a couple years. Mark Hunt also

Ok maybe I was a little hasty on that, but Both of those guys are kickboxers and that gives them an edge on Manny right there, they use more of their bodies to fight. If he picked the right camp he could do very well eventually.

 

[MonkeyPenn]

the top 3 p4p fighters in the world have good hands

penn
a. silva
fedor

bells are ringing

It's too bad that both BJ Penn and Fedor have a base that involves more grappling than striking.

 

[IrishInside]

However I would put money on an elite pro boxer over any MMA or K-1

Wow that's a bold statement, I mean K-1. I think the Klitscko's are top 10 all time heavys but I'm sure would not last long against the likes of Aerts, Hoost (prime), Le Banner, Bonjasky, Hari.

C'mon think leg kicks!

Remember Mercer Vs Bonjasky? One kick and it was all over. And Marcer at 44 still packed a BIG punch and of course was an immensely better boxer than Remy. Think of Botha too.

 

[bigdaddymatty]

I think without a doubt it would be Boxing or other striking arts if i were to pick any single style to start with. The reason why i pick that isn't becasue a boxer by itself would beat a wrestler or BJJer becasue they wouldn't. It's the fact that they have something that you can't teach most people and that's being a fighter and having a fighters heart. This is something i see lacking with so many top grapplers i see coming into MMA and other grapplers in mma. Is this to say that all grapplers don't have heart of course not, but it's impossible to make it to the elite level in boxing without at least a very soild heart. Another thing that gets weeded out in boxing is weak chins. you can make it all the way to the upper levels in the UFC before you truely get your chin tested if your a soild fighter. I think think of many top level fighters in MMA that are either scared to get hit or have weak chins.


The thing is No top boxer would ever want to come to MMA becasue they get paid 10-100 times more to box. Of course as mma grows and boxing dies off we'll see more true fighters in mma

You are entitled to your own opinion. Wrestlers or BJJ Practitioners are the real deal.

 

[Corona]

Ok maybe I was a little hasty on that, but Both of those guys are kickboxers and that gives them an edge on Manny right there, they use more of their bodies to fight. If he picked the right camp he could do very well eventually.

take a good look at mark hunts record... 5-4... 3 wins coming against mediocre competition and the other two against much smaller strikers... all 4 losses are to grapplers in the first round.

 

[symphonyx547**]

Ok maybe I was a little hasty on that, but Both of those guys are kickboxers and that gives them an edge on Manny right there, they use more of their bodies to fight. If he picked the right camp he could do very well eventually.

I'd say Manny would devope into a MMA fighter faster and better then either of those two. Hunt is a boxer that fought in KickBoxing and was pretty sucessfull. Would Hunt be Sucessfull in the upper levels of Boxing? No way. The Overall level of athlete in top levels of boxing is much higher then Kick Boxing and it's easy to see why looking at the pay difference. If kickboxing had higher pay/ fame then boxing then the opposite would be true

 

[Atomic_blast]

I never said a striker won those tournaments you dickhead.

What so because one pure boxer wins 1 tournament out of several tournaments that were held which grapplers have dominated it is suddenly the best base to have???

to put it simple so you're mind can comprehend it

low level BJJ> low level boxer

World champion BJJ > world champion boxer

Not to many Boxers were in those tournaments genius.

And low level BJJ > low level Muay Thai.

World Champion BJJ > World Champion Muay Thai

But in Igor's case as he prove in 1995.

Low level Boxer > World Champion BJJ.

Muay Thai don't compliment everyone just like Boxing don't compliment everyone. Not everyone likes to kick and not everyone has the eluvsines and rhythmn of a prime Roy Jones Jr to be dangerous Boxer. Many prefer to throw sloppy hey makers and kicks and others like to have solid footwork and head movements.

That is why you see many MMA fights prefer Boxing and others prefer MT. To each their own.

I don't know which is the best base because it is all an opinion. I was a amature Boxer and now train in Boxing and MT with BJJ which I taken for 9 years. All in all I would rather not choose any because it is all speculation.

 

[Corona]

Wow that's a bold statement, I mean K-1. I think the Klitscko's are top 10 all time heavys but I'm sure would not last long against the likes of Aerts, Hoost (prime), Le Banner, Bonjasky, Hari.

C'mon think leg kicks!

Remember Mercer Vs Bonjasky? One kick and it was all over. And Marcer at 44 still packed a BIG punch and of course was an immensely better boxer than Remy. Think of Botha too.

who was the hw champ who wanted nothing to do with bas rutten in fear that he would break their sternum with his kicks?