Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

[symphonyx547**]

wrestling is the best imo..


you can determine where the fight takes place. It is arguably the hardest style to learn. And wrestlers are very popular for having great work ethic. It also allows the learning of bjj to become more smooth as well.

The thing about that is USally the guys that come from the wrestling base have been doing wrestling since they were 6 years old. most BJJ start at 15 or older. Can you imgine if Lesnar with all his phyically gifts spent all the time in BJJ as he did in wrestling? He'd be snapping limps off.

 

[mr.allday]

I think without a doubt it would be Boxing or other striking arts if i were to pick any single style to start with. The reason why i pick that isn't becasue a boxer by itself would beat a wrestler or BJJer becasue they wouldn't. It's the fact that they have something that you can't teach most people and that's being a fighter and having a fighters heart. This is something i see lacking with so many top grapplers i see coming into MMA and other grapplers in mma. Is this to say that all grapplers don't have heart of course not, but it's impossible to make it to the elite level in boxing without at least a very soild heart. Another thing that gets weeded out in boxing is weak chins. you can make it all the way to the upper levels in the UFC before you truely get your chin tested if your a soild fighter. I think think of many top level fighters in MMA that are either scared to get hit or have weak chins.


The thing is No top boxer would ever want to come to MMA becasue they get paid 10-100 times more to box. Of course as mma grows and boxing dies off we'll see more true fighters in mma

Hey jackass, heart is something you are born with and cannot teach. you either have it or you don't. What rock did you crawl out from? Boxing is learned not a given!

 

[Wiolent Wand]

Even if I don't make it a career, I'm going to at least have a few MMA fights. I'm currently doing 90% Muay Thai with some BJJ on the side.

Why did I choose Muay Thai? Because your body is conditioned to get hit. If I'm used to getting hit hard and taking punishment and then get really god a BJJ, that'd be awesome. That's my start to being well-rounded; get used to taking punishment and then get really good at BJJ. I would get my yellow belt in BJJ and then go have a fight, that's not my cause. I'd rather be a great striker who is not afraid to get hit (and won't panic if I get hit hard) and then then pick up BJJ, instead of becoming a BJJ brown belt and start striking and go "Fuck this shit! I'm going back to JJ!". BJJ is much easier on the body and if I'm already accustom to getting hit it will be much easier ti transition my BJJ into MMA.

I see a lot of great BJJ player go into MMA and be petrified to get hit and if they do get hit they panic and cover-up. I would still be well-round, I'm just saying it's easier to get used to being hit before do BJJ because your already used to body-punishment. I'm worried if I get really comfortable with BJJs easiness on your body, that I'd hate Muay Thai since I'd be used to a martial art that's very easy on the body.

You understand what I'm saying? If I'm already used an art-form that's hard on the body, then picking up an art-form that is easy on the body will be much easier.

 

[symphonyx547**]

if i had to rank the best bases to come from i'd say. Keep in mind coming from equal levels in all styles
1) boxing
2) BJJ
3) Muay Thai
4) Wrestling

 

[Calvin42]

Wrestling, Judo, Sambo or BJJ

 

[symphonyx547**]

Hey jackass, heart is something you are born with and cannot teach. you either have it or you don't. What rock did you crawl out from? Boxing is learned not a given!

No shit dumb fuck, so what good is it coming from a life long of BJJ or Wrestling and then going into MMA and you just can't cut it becasue can't take a punch. That was the whole point of my thread

 

[Rockomon]

best styles:

1)boxing
2)catchwrestling

 

[Lavalamp]

I disagree with boxing being the best base. I would think that kickboxing/muay thai alone is a better base just because the fighter has more options.

 

[LythalWeapon]

shoot wrestling aka submission wrestling aka catch wrestling. u got the subs, the takedowns and control covered in it. and best of all theres no gi.
as for boxing, i'd way rather take kickboxing as a base over boxing simply cause kickboxers have more tools, of course they won't be as great of punchers but the more tools the better when it comes to MMA.
but still overall, shoot wrestling is the king.

 

[dav10wc]

idk i would say the best base is wrestling... however i can see boxing as the best base cause the fight always starts on the feet... but why not just train in muay thai, sure it doesnt share the same dedication to striking w/ hands as boxing but it teaches ou how to throw a punch, kick, knee, and elbows from the stand up so i say either wrestling or muay thai.

 

[Corona]

The thing about that is USally the guys that come from the wrestling base have been doing wrestling since they were 6 years old. most BJJ start at 15 or older. Can you imgine if Lesnar with all his phyically gifts spent all the time in BJJ as he did in wrestling? He'd be snapping limps off.

that still is irrelevant... many wrestlers don't begin until high school, and i agree that boxing or any form of striking is a strong base, but unless your striking is top tier like anderson silva's or miguel torres' you don't have that much of an advantage... Just look at the numbers, most mma fighters come from a wrestling backround, not nearly as many come from striking backrounds. And furthermore, even the top strikers in mma still have strong wrestling, and most bjj fighters have solid wrestling as well.


my point is, you can win fights without striking and only grappling, but you cant win fights without grappling.

 

[porcodio]

the top 3 p4p fighters in the world have good hands

penn
a. silva
fedor

bells are ringing

And they all train in boxing, but don't tell the kids around here, they are still thinking jimmerson was a boxer...

 

[Corey Roberts]

My point is anyway you cut it, you take a pure boxer vs a pure BJJ guy, BJJ will win 90% of the time, hence it is a better base than boxing.[/QUOTE

ANyone that knows any thing about Grappling knows that a pure BJJ agaist a pure wrestler at equal weight the BJJ guy will win just about every time. When i was training BJJ or 6 months i was tapping out college wrestlers that where new to BJJ. most people on here claim that wrestling is the best base. So going on whcih style is more effective with only that style is not a good indicator of the best base.

my blood sugar is low so i'm not sure what you're point is.

A BJJ guy can still get a boxer down and submit him, and will do so 90% of the time as boxers aren't taught to defend takedowns.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what base you come from, a world class athlete will learn new things and pick them up and use them quicker than you're average person. They will also have more heart than you're average person.

In terms of the most cruical thing to learn in MMA hence you're base would be BJJ. A BJJ guy can submit a wrestler from his back and take a boxer down and submit the majority of the time.

 

[mr.allday]

No shit dumb fuck, so what good is it coming from a life long of BJJ or Wrestling and then going into MMA and you just can't cut it becasue can't take a punch. That was the whole point of my thread

Well if thats what you were trying to get at I suggest you get some new teachers so you can learn how to put sentences together better. Your run on dribble is ridiculous. I guess all of the BJJ guys who are flourishing right now would tell you that they are not having much trouble taking a punch, and all of the wrestlers are laughing at you right now. Shut the fuck up about things you are just guessing on jackass. You no nothing about it!

 

[Corey Roberts]

And they all train in boxing, but don't tell the kids around here, they are still thinking jimmerson was a boxer...

Their not arguing about the effectiveness of boxing, tehir arguing about the best base to begin with. I think you'll find BJ's base is BJJ. Fedor's is Sambo. Which is essentially another form of MMA which incorporates everything to that would be the best base to have.

 

[symphonyx547**]

that still is irrelevant... many wrestlers don't begin until high school, and i agree that boxing or any form of striking is a strong base, but unless your striking is top tier like anderson silva's or miguel torres' you don't have that much of an advantage... Just look at the numbers, most mma fighters come from a wrestling backround, not nearly as many come from striking backrounds. And furthermore, even the top strikers in mma still have strong wrestling, and most bjj fighters have solid wrestling as well.


my point is, you can win fights without striking and only grappling, but you cant win fights without grappling.

That's best wrestlers have no where else to go to make money. Boxers box to make money, Kick boxers kick box to make money, so why would they go to a different style and make less money. If boxing compely stopped then you'd see guys like MAny. P dominating MMA within 2 years at there weight classes

 

[CageCarnage85]

Mental toughness is the best base for mma. Randy Couture could have decided to give up the first time he got his butt handed to him on the wrestling mat and would have just been another average joe. It doesn't matter what martial art you start with as long as you open-minded, coachable, willing to put yourself through hard training, and not give up regardless of badly you're getting beaten by the other guys in the gym.

 

[mr.allday]

That's best wrestlers have no where else to go to make money. Boxers box to make money, Kick boxers kick box to make money, so why would they go to a different style and make less money. If boxing compely stopped then you'd see guys like MAny. P dominating MMA within 2 years at there weight classes

Yeah dig yourself a bigger hole dumbass! Manny P would dominate mma in 2 years hahahah. You know what arguing with a smart person like yourself is a dead end thanks for showing me that!

 

[symphonyx547**]

Well if thats what you were trying to get at I suggest you get some new teachers so you can learn how to put sentences together better. Your run on dribble is ridiculous. I guess all of the BJJ guys who are flourishing right now would tell you that they are not having much trouble taking a punch, and all of the wrestlers are laughing at you right now. Shut the fuck up about things you are just guessing on jackass. You no nothing about it!

Name a BJJ or Wrestler that is dominating only using that and no other training at all? You can't becasue in MMA you have to be at least good in 2 styles. the thing you say about Wrestlers/ BJJ is the same thing i can say. Tell all the guys that are winning using strikes that it's useless and they'll laugh at you

 

[bonesbrigade16]

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