Elections Bernie Sanders Leads Trump, All 2020 Candidates in Donations From Active-Duty Troops

[VivaRevolution]

Bernie Sanders Leads Trump, All 2020 Candidates in Donations From Active-Duty Troops

No other 2020 candidate for president, including Donald Trump, can come close to matching Bernie Sanders’ level of support among members of the U.S. military, to go by the most recent campaign finance data from the Federal Election Commission.

Soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines have donated a total of $185,625 to Sen. Sanders’ 2020 campaign. By comparison, they have given $113,012 to Trump, $80,250 to Pete Buttigieg, $64,604 to Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and a relatively paltry $33,045 to former Vice President Joe Biden, according to Doug Weber, a senior researcher at the Center for Responsive Politics.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ro...donations-from-active-duty-troops-946188/amp/


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Weird that so many American Patriots support a communist, and not an Israeli firster huh?

I will now prepare myself with a bucket of popcorn for the inevitable meltdown this will bring about.

Of course there is a chance the righties on the board will just avoid this thread, and hope it goes away.

Discuss.......

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

 

[AndroidRage]

They will avoid this thread like the sad sacks that they are.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Bernie Sanders leads Donald Trump in polls, even when you remind people he’s a socialist
Socialism is unpopular, but America’s leading socialist isn’t.

• By Matthew Yglesias
• on January 31, 2020 9:30 am

It is difficult to know whether that’s true or not, but a recent message-testing experiment run by the progressive group Data for Progress at least calls that theory into question.

In their experiment, tagging Sanders as a socialist did not seem to undermine his campaign — something we’ve also seen over the years in Vermont. Sanders consistently does a bit better in elections for his Senate seat than you would expect from the state’s baseline party lean.

The poll: Calling Sanders a socialist doesn’t change much
Data for Progress used the Lucid survey sampling platform to test three different versions of a Sanders and Trump polling matchup question. The survey was in the field from January 9 to January 19 of 2020 and ran these three polls:

• No information: “If the 2020 U.S. Presidential election was held today, who would you vote for if the candidates were Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump?”
• Partisan cues: “If the 2020 U.S. Presidential election was held today, who would you vote for if the candidates were Democrat Bernie Sanders and Republican Donald Trump?”
• Socialists and billionaires: “If the 2020 U.S. Presidential election was held today, who would you vote for if the candidates were Democrat Bernie Sanders, who wants to tax the billionaire class to help the working class and Republican Donald Trump, who says Sanders is a socialist who supports a government takeover of healthcare and open borders?”

In all three versions, Bernie beats Trump, albeit by slightly different margins. Sanders does best in the version of the question that provides no information at all. Giving the candidates their partisan labels increases Sanders’s lead somewhat, and giving the hypothetical messages leaves Sanders with a lead that’s somewhere in between the two other scenarios.

Data for Progress poll

A simple polling question can’t simulate the impact of an entire months-long political campaign. But since concerns about Sanders are driven in part by the accurate observation that “socialism” as a label polls poorly in the United States, the fact that affixing that label to Sanders doesn’t really shift polling at all tells you something.


The political party that cried wolf?
The authors don’t try to explain why this is, but one possibility that comes to mind is Republicans have been characterizing Democratic Party support for higher taxes and a more generous welfare state as “socialism” for a long time.

It’s true that Sanders accepts the label and says that to him the meaning of socialism is something like the New Deal vision of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Most Democrats reject the label and say they believe in capitalism tempered by regulation and a welfare state. And Sanders’s vision of welfare state expansion goes a lot further than most Democrats.

But Republicans have been characterizing all welfare state expansion as socialism forever, which may have somewhat deadened the argument as a message.

 

[loyalyolayal]

They will avoid this thread like the sad sacks that they are.

Who?

 

[tonni]

 

[Stoic1]

I'm curious how they know who I donate to and how much?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

“I like people who didn’t donate”

 

[usmctanker242]

I remember polls and graphs showing that Hillary was going to win and it was going to be the most lopsided win in all of American history...so forgive me if I don't put a ton of weight in polls these days.

While I support Trump I wouldn't for a second consider donating money to his campaign...fuck that as he's going to win anyways, so why throw away my money? ; ) When I was in the Marines we rarely talked about politics because nobody wanted to get in trouble for accidentally saying something which could be misconstrued as showing disrespect for the Commander in Chief. I would be surprised if this trend (Sanders getting more donations) holds up over the next few months. Trump hasn't really done much campaigning, at least not compared to the Dems, so I doubt many even know that he's accepting donations.

 

[usmctanker242]

I'm curious how they know who I donate to and how much?

https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup

That's the website for the "Center For Responsive Politics" which is linked in the OP. They have a ton of different resources for their information, with one of them being the Federal Election Commission. They also report if people donate money to PAC's...so it seems like it's pretty comprehensive.

 

[forum poster]

People on the right dismissing Bernie are in a state of denial similar to what liberals who thought Trump couldn't win went through.

 

[tonni]

While I support Trump I wouldn't for a second consider donating money to his campaign...fuck that as he's going to win anyways, so why throw away my money? ; )

Another good reason would be that he's a greedy scam artist and you're too smart to get screwed like that?

 

[AndroidRage]

Who?

Trumpers

 

[AndroidRage]

I remember polls and graphs showing that Hillary was going to win and it was going to be the most lopsided win in all of American history...so forgive me if I don't put a ton of weight in polls these days.

While I support Trump I wouldn't for a second consider donating money to his campaign...fuck that as he's going to win anyways, so why throw away my money? ; ) When I was in the Marines we rarely talked about politics because nobody wanted to get in trouble for accidentally saying something which could be misconstrued as showing disrespect for the Commander in Chief. I would be surprised if this trend (Sanders getting more donations) holds up over the next few months. Trump hasn't really done much campaigning, at least not compared to the Dems, so I doubt many even know that he's accepting donations.

He has been campaigning nonstop since he won in 2016. What do you think his rallies are? Presidents don't just keep having rallies once they win.


Also important to know that those polls and graphs weren't necessarily wrong in 2016. Hillary did win the popular vote by 3 million or so. She just didn't win the electoral college.

 

[grimballer]

Too bad he’s gonna get screwed by dnc again...

 

[loyalyolayal]

Trumpers

If you're voting for Trump, please like this post.

I wanna see if they're gonna avoid this thread like you said.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

If you're voting for Trump, please like this post.

I wanna see if they're gonna avoid this thread like you said.

Maybe ask them to comment on the op rather than cop out with a like

 

[usmctanker242]

He has been campaigning nonstop since he won in 2016. What do you think his rallies are? Presidents don't just keep having rallies once they win.


Also important to know that those pills and graphs weren't necessarily wrong in 2016. Hillary did win the popular vote by 3 million or so. She just didn't win the electoral college.

Bro, she was supposed to win the electoral college by over 100 votes. You can argue all day long that "things were close" and all that noise, but those polls were 100% pure bullshit.

As for him campaigning I have seen the rallies, but those don't get the same kind of press coverage as the Dems with their debates and constant bickering. Seriously, I had no idea that Trump was accepting donations...again, I'm not going to donate, but I really hadn't even thought about him needing donations. I guess I'm just simple and stupid.

 

[usmctanker242]

People on the right dismissing Bernie are in a state of denial similar to what liberals who thought Trump couldn't win went through.

I agree with this and I hate hearing people state that it's already in the bag for Trump. I did make that comment earlier but I put in a winky face so people knew I was being cheeky. I THINK Trump will win regardless of whomever the Dems put up against him, but I don't KNOW that to be a fact, so people still need to get their asses out there and vote.

For the "Bernie Bros" out there, if Bernie somehow wins the nomination from the Dems, who do you think he's going to have running as his vice? I've seen a lot of people suggest Tulsi, and that would be an interesting choice.

 

[forum poster]

I agree with this and I hate hearing people state that it's already in the bag for Trump. I did make that comment earlier but I put in a winky face so people knew I was being cheeky. I THINK Trump will win regardless of whomever the Dems put up against him, but I don't KNOW that to be a fact, so people still need to get their asses out there and vote.

For the "Bernie Bros" out there, if Bernie somehow wins the nomination from the Dems, who do you think he's going to have running as his vice? I've seen a lot of people suggest Tulsi, and that would be an interesting choice.

No idea really. Yang, tulsi, Warren, Turner etc.

It probably wouldn't hurt if he through a curveball and bought in a guy like Richard Ojeda to swing the rust belt even further. Ojeda swung one of the biggest Trump supporting areas by something like 30 points. We know he's not going to chose a John Delany or kamala harris.