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Elections Bernie/AOC 2028 ticket
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I'm using a bit of hyperbole to make a point that while he has a ton of information, it's the wrong kind.
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I’ve been accused of the same
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Of the hyperbole or of the low information voter?
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Both. Probably both are true TBH
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dang... me too lol.
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I'ma High Information Non-Voter.
But that will have to change, we need gridlock badly.
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It’s what makes this forum so good. Just a bunch of retards arguing with each other.
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And why would the DNC allow Bernie to get the nomination this time when they fucked him twice already?
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I only vote for myself at the federal level anyway. The change starts with me.
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Uh, no it wasn't. Kamala was a non issue in the election. Trump just walked right over her.
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Libs are truly at a loss
The moment Biden endorsed her, I knew we were going to see the second non consecutive two term president.
She was easily attacked on any part of her record. Here, I'll do it plainly and effortlessly for you without using "identity politics, race baiting, and shitty mysogynistic smears" even though at least two out of three of those are lib projection and the third could be debated since your side is the one that can't even define what a woman is, but I digress. I'll even do it from both the left and right.
1. Against Trump , she leaned on her prosecutorial background, how she could take on a "convicted felon (lol)" and was used to it. This was beyond moronic, but you can't blame the 22 year olds that seemed to make up the majority of her campaign staff. This opened her up to criticism from both the Left and Right.
1a. Progressives labeled her a "cop" and cited her controversial policies such as her anti-truancy initiative, with videos surfacing from her earlier races where she threatened parents with jail time for their kids playing hookey.
1b. This opened the door to look into her prosecutorial record. This led to terrible revelations such as hundreds of Brady violations and hard to defend positions such as her office's defense of convictions despite evidence of prosecutorial misconduct. For example, her initial opposition to DNA testing in the Kevin Cooper case (a death row inmate convicted of murder) and her office’s argument against reducing prison overcrowding (to retain inmate firefighters) fueled perceptions that she prioritized tough-on-crime policies over reform. Worst part? The Cooper case eventually had the DNA evidence put in, and it proved Cooper's guilt lmao
2. Her prosecutorial record was open to attacks from the right as well, with republicans blaming her for Proposition 47 (ironically) which reduced penalties for theft and drug offenses, which has directly led to California looking more and more like a shithole and more and more of the business tax base leaving with stores closing left and right due to rampant theft with the wealthy tax base following closely behind, fucking off to Las Vegas, Texas, and Florida seemingly equally.
Her refusal to seek the death penalty in the 2004 Isaac Espinoza case (a gang member who killed a San Francisco police officer) also drew lasting ire from law enforcement, with police unions refusing to endorse her for a decade.
3. This conflicting narrative, too tough for her progressive base, too soft for conservatives/centrists made it impossible for Kamala or her staff to be able to define her clearly, as a push towards either side was ammunition for the other. Really, it was the easiest political layup in a minute. The lack of a coherent criminal justice identity, from a prosecutor no less, weakened her general appeal immensely and the vast majority of the credentials she was hinging on to rest on.
Post election polling showed that this was one of the largest factors in her humiliating, historic, sweeping defeat across the battleground states.
4. Onto her impact as VP. Long story short, disastrous. She was tasked with the border, which turned to the worst state its ever been in modern history, while her on camera answers to softball questions about the border made her look somehow even worse
Immigration was the top issue of the 2024 election next to the economy and it isnt difficult to ascertain why Trump crushed her in that aspect.
4a. Speaking of economy, Harris inherited a terrible economy from an unpopular president (regardless of his record shattering votes in 2020) with inflation peaking at 9.1% in 2022 (officially, arguably higher as anyone who has seen things double or triple in price will tell you) with grocery prices through the roof and rents at all time highs (more Blackrock to blame, but that's politics, the party in power takes it). Her attempted swing to a more populist economic platform was too little too late and seemingly empty words, as the Dems haven't spoken about a single populist economic policy besides "muh oligarchy" since November.
5. Since they couldn't win on the top two issues of the election, so they pivoted to two things: Trump is a threat to Democracy™ and Trump is a threat to abortion. Towards the end of her campaign, she even tried to mimic Trumps style at her "rallies" by putting up videos of Trump saying inflammatory shit on a jumbotron above her, but it just made him look larger, more powerful, and cooler. Again, 22-25 year olds controlling a presidential campaign.
Harping back to "muh democracy" alienated centrist voters who wanted answers to immediate issues and didn't make up the slim minority of her base (which would have voted for her regardless) who believe Trump is some reincarnated Hitler.
They ran a shitty, rushed campaign staffed by inexperienced children and couldn't make a dent with over a BILLION dollars spent. She not only lost every single battleground state, she had a once in a few lifetimes insane statistic: Literally 0 (zero, none, nada, zip, zilch) counties swung more blue comparative to 2020. This means that no county reported a larger Democratic margin or a smaller Republican margin in 2024 compared to 2020. Not a single one, in the entire country, thought "Yea, Kamala really seems like the correct fit for president." This is, statistically and historically, the most rightward swing in American politics since 1932. She lost in every single measurable category, white, black, latino, urban, rural, men, women, everything.
She was a shit candidate who ran a shit campaign and anyone that can't be honest and say that and has to blame "muh misogynies!" shouldn't have their political opinion taken seriously.
Harris lost to Trump in the Democratic primaries in some states where write in candidates were allowed.
The moment Biden endorsed her, I knew we were going to see the second non consecutive two term president.
Lol, lmao even. It really takes an utter drone to not see what was wrong with Kamala.
She was easily attacked on any part of her record. Here, I'll do it plainly and effortlessly for you without using "identity politics, race baiting, and shitty mysogynistic smears" even though at least two out of three of those are lib projection and the third could be debated since your side is the one that can't even define what a woman is, but I digress. I'll even do it from both the left and right.
1. Against Trump , she leaned on her prosecutorial background, how she could take on a "convicted felon (lol)" and was used to it. This was beyond moronic, but you can't blame the 22 year olds that seemed to make up the majority of her campaign staff. This opened her up to criticism from both the Left and Right.
1a. Progressives labeled her a "cop" and cited her controversial policies such as her anti-truancy initiative, with videos surfacing from her earlier races where she threatened parents with jail time for their kids playing hookey.
1b. This opened the door to look into her prosecutorial record. This led to terrible revelations such as hundreds of Brady violations and hard to defend positions such as her office's defense of convictions despite evidence of prosecutorial misconduct. For example, her initial opposition to DNA testing in the Kevin Cooper case (a death row inmate convicted of murder) and her office’s argument against reducing prison overcrowding (to retain inmate firefighters) fueled perceptions that she prioritized tough-on-crime policies over reform. Worst part? The Cooper case eventually had the DNA evidence put in, and it proved Cooper's guilt lmao
2. Her prosecutorial record was open to attacks from the right as well, with republicans blaming her for Proposition 47 (ironically) which reduced penalties for theft and drug offenses, which has directly led to California looking more and more like a shithole and more and more of the business tax base leaving with stores closing left and right due to rampant theft with the wealthy tax base following closely behind, fucking off to Las Vegas, Texas, and Florida seemingly equally.
Her refusal to seek the death penalty in the 2004 Isaac Espinoza case (a gang member who killed a San Francisco police officer) also drew lasting ire from law enforcement, with police unions refusing to endorse her for a decade.
3. This conflicting narrative, too tough for her progressive base, too soft for conservatives/centrists made it impossible for Kamala or her staff to be able to define her clearly, as a push towards either side was ammunition for the other. Really, it was the easiest political layup in a minute. The lack of a coherent criminal justice identity, from a prosecutor no less, weakened her general appeal immensely and the vast majority of the credentials she was hinging on to rest on.
Post election polling showed that this was one of the largest factors in her humiliating, historic, sweeping defeat across the battleground states.
4. Onto her impact as VP. Long story short, disastrous. She was tasked with the border, which turned to the worst state its ever been in modern history, while her on camera answers to softball questions about the border made her look somehow even worse
Immigration was the top issue of the 2024 election next to the economy and it isnt difficult to ascertain why Trump crushed her in that aspect.
4a. Speaking of economy, Harris inherited a terrible economy from an unpopular president (regardless of his record shattering votes in 2020) with inflation peaking at 9.1% in 2022 (officially, arguably higher as anyone who has seen things double or triple in price will tell you) with grocery prices through the roof and rents at all time highs (more Blackrock to blame, but that's politics, the party in power takes it). Her attempted swing to a more populist economic platform was too little too late and seemingly empty words, as the Dems haven't spoken about a single populist economic policy besides "muh oligarchy" since November.
5. Since they couldn't win on the top two issues of the election, so they pivoted to two things: Trump is a threat to Democracy™ and Trump is a threat to abortion. Towards the end of her campaign, she even tried to mimic Trumps style at her "rallies" by putting up videos of Trump saying inflammatory shit on a jumbotron above her, but it just made him look larger, more powerful, and cooler. Again, 22-25 year olds controlling a presidential campaign.
Harping back to "muh democracy" alienated centrist voters who wanted answers to immediate issues and didn't make up the slim minority of her base (which would have voted for her regardless) who believe Trump is some reincarnated Hitler.
They ran a shitty, rushed campaign staffed by inexperienced children and couldn't make a dent with over a BILLION dollars spent. She not only lost every single battleground state, she had a once in a few lifetimes insane statistic: Literally 0 (zero, none, nada, zip, zilch) counties swung more blue comparative to 2020. This means that no county reported a larger Democratic margin or a smaller Republican margin in 2024 compared to 2020. Not a single one, in the entire country, thought "Yea, Kamala really seems like the correct fit for president." This is, statistically and historically, the most rightward swing in American politics since 1932. She lost in every single measurable category, white, black, latino, urban, rural, men, women, everything.
She was a shit candidate who ran a shit campaign and anyone that can't be honest and say that and has to blame "muh misogynies!" shouldn't have their political opinion taken seriously.
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Bernie ain’t going to be in the ticket. But you know who is? AOC as VP is almost guaranteed at this point, outside of major controversy . They are using Bernie to grandfather her into prominence.
Her team released this yesterday.
She is going to run, she will lose the primary, but there is no way the progressive base is going to let her not be the VP, after she is beat in the primary by one of the moderate democrats governors like Moore, beshear, etc being the presidential candidate.
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Just find a safe middle aged white man so the right doesn't completely lose their shit and we end up with another trump/maga retard revolution. Please for God's sake no more stupid ultra progressive policies either, just focus on repairing the damage from the trump administration and bringing unity back to our country.
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Even if you take my GOP comment out, my point still stands: Biden was also rejected (more than once), but then eventually succeeded.
Not saying it's definitely gonna happen with Buttigieg and Whitmer, but it's not unprecedented.
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The Trumpers don't want Obama being allowed a third term. He bodies the Orange man and VP Guyliner.
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I want Obama vs Trump, what you talking about
