News Bellator sale talks heating up

That can't be true?!
The card already has 3 5-round fights (Amasov vs Jackson, Pettis vs Mix, and Pitbull vs Shabliy) and Sabatelo vs Stots II is also in the main event. AJ vs Outlaw is rumored to be in this card, too so he couldnt be fighting in the main card.
 
Saudis buying Bellator would be the best case scenario honestly

Saudis are ridiculously rich but even they have standards and know how to tell people to fuck off when they feel they are getting ripped off. Look at what they did to Embracer. Paramount refusing to sell Showtime for 3 Billion already shows how delusional and greedy the people working there are, if I am a Saudi prince I would absolutely refuse to deal with these folks.
 
I'd be quite shocked if they just folded.

Getting something for it is better than nothing, even they know that. Though being owned by Viacom and shutting it down probably is barely a blip on Viacom's brass concerns.

Can't believe people are just hoping it folds. So many fighters would be just screwed. I'd say maybe 15% find another org and actually get paid decent. Rest would just disappear into the regional promotions around the world and lucky to make 1K-2K a night to fight. Honestly, from a fan perspective those 15% are probably all we care about really.

Honestly, it sounds like Bellator priced themselves out of the willing buyers market. Truth is outside of the UFC none of these orgs are self sustained or have the revenue for anyone to put a whole hell of a lot of faith in valuing it. Putting a value to raise investments is a lot different then buying out. Raising investment is usually driven by past, future performance with more weight put on the future, and the general business itself and your beliefs in that business growth potential along with the owners future plans to achieve those goals. Buying a business outright a lot comes into play especially if the owner is shopping it, its sign they are looking to get out and its gives leverage to the buyer. Especially when said business is lucky if its profitable on any level and has limited assets to value properly. Bellator has fighter contracts and video library as the primary assets. Media contracts around the world who knows how those are spelled out if Bellator sells. I'm guessing each media outlet deal would have to agree with the new owner or they'd have the option to void the contract. The value of those media contracts to PFL could vary wildly as PFL may have an existing media contract in an area and Bellator has one in the same area with a different media outlet. So that Bellator media contract in that region may not hold much value to PFL as a buyer. It's a damn mess in other words.

if its not a big enough number i doubt its worth paramounts time and just easier to write it off and shut it down.
 
By 2024, PFL and Bellator will probably disappear and only the UFC will remain. Every other "big" MMA organization will either disappear, become a muay thai org, or become a regional show.

We always have the leader in MMA: Combate Global to look forward to.
 
Coker is gonna fight out everyone’s contracts as a FU to PFL

Won't shock me. But they'd need a lot of shows as many of these guys have multi fights probably left.

I think it might of started when "we kind missed MVP's contract being up" BS line they gave for why he became a free agent. I don't think you "forget" one of the face of your company.
 
Won't shock me. But they'd need a lot of shows as many of these guys have multi fights probably left.

I think it might of started when "we kind missed MVP's contract being up" BS line they gave for why he became a free agent. I don't think you "forget" one of the face of your company.
Coker probably told him that the sale is imminent so if he doesn’t want to continue with pfl, just go off to the ufc
 


think paramount in general is down bad and they are gonna be downsizing. Wouldn’t be surprised if they exit boxing next
 


think paramount in general is down bad and they are gonna be downsizing. Wouldn’t be surprised if they exit boxing next


I think boxing is hurting a lot.

There is nobody that seems to care much about building the foundation of the sport and haven't for awhile. They all are trying to live off the PPV stars. Sponsorship money that use to support a lot of the events outside of the PPV doesn't cover the cost anymore. When HBO got out of boxing in 2018 I know Budweiser leaving them before that was the start of the downfall. One of their talking heads I believe said it wasn't that long ago Budweiser sponsorship money basically covered each event on regular HBO but as cost raised it became more and more of burden on HBO to pay the difference and at the time the PPV stars were dropping like flies and they saw the writing on the wall and bailed in 2018. I have to believe Showtime Boxing isn't much different behind the scenes and maybe the cost are even getting to high for them to justify. Not to turn this in to MMA pay vs Boxing pay but if some of these PPV stars/promoters through the years were allowing the Showtimes and HBO's of the world to maybe profit closer to 40% they'd have the money to build a much stronger foundation of the sport below the PPV side of it and make the sport stronger. Instead the boxers got so greedy some became there own promoter to profit even more and the HBO and Showtime's of the world saw their piece of the pie shrink even more. Floyd making 200M to fight helps a few people out in the end but if a HBO or Showtime got 70M of Floyd fight they help promote and they reinvested that back into there boxing product it would help out 100's of fighters with year around events and help grow the next PPV stars.
 


think paramount in general is down bad and they are gonna be downsizing. Wouldn’t be surprised if they exit boxing next

Nah …. Take that with a grain of salt … Rick is a notorious Al Haymon hater … he is just pissing at anything related to his deals (which includes Showtime and Espinoza) … they are promoting Canelo Alvarez vs Charlo for Sept 30th … they have 5 more dates upcoming to end the year .. including Oct14. Nov 4 and 11 …
 
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I think boxing is hurting a lot.

There is nobody that seems to care much about building the foundation of the sport and haven't for awhile. They all are trying to live off the PPV stars. Sponsorship money that use to support a lot of the events outside of the PPV doesn't cover the cost anymore. When HBO got out of boxing in 2018 I know Budweiser leaving them before that was the start of the downfall. One of their talking heads I believe said it wasn't that long ago Budweiser sponsorship money basically covered each event on regular HBO but as cost raised it became more and more of burden on HBO to pay the difference and at the time the PPV stars were dropping like flies and they saw the writing on the wall and bailed in 2018. I have to believe Showtime Boxing isn't much different behind the scenes and maybe the cost are even getting to high for them to justify. Not to turn this in to MMA pay vs Boxing pay but if some of these PPV stars/promoters through the years were allowing the Showtimes and HBO's of the world to maybe profit closer to 40% they'd have the money to build a much stronger foundation of the sport below the PPV side of it and make the sport stronger. Instead the boxers got so greedy some became there own promoter to profit even more and the HBO and Showtime's of the world saw their piece of the pie shrink even more. Floyd making 200M to fight helps a few people out in the end but if a HBO or Showtime got 70M of Floyd fight they help promote and they reinvested that back into there boxing product it would help out 100's of fighters with year around events and help grow the next PPV stars.
Not true … it has been a great year for Boxing … Showtime has had 2 great PPV’s (Tank vs Garcia and Spence vs Crawford) plus Canelo vs charlo is coming up in 2 weeks … Saudi’s are throwing absurd money to Fury vs Ngannou and other super fights…. Matchroom has a big calendar of events lined up to end the year… Golden Boy has bounced back in 2023 putting good events… plus you have BOOXER and Queensbury in the UK. Japan biggest shows in 2023 are boxing with Mr.Honda as the main promoter. Even clowns like Jake Paul and KSI in the UK are making big bucks in boxing this year.

Aside of the UFC …. Mma has been down this year …. PFL is on route of their highest $ loss in their short history and Bellator has been lackluster… their owners don’t want the product anymore but will continue promoting boxing
 
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Not true … it has been a great year for Boxing … Showtime has had 2 great PPV’s (Tank vs Garcia and Spence vs Crawford) plus Canelo vs charlo is coming up in 2 weeks … Saudi’s are throwing absurd money to Fury vs Ngannou and other super fights…. Matchroom has a big calendar of events lined up to end the year… Golden Boy has bounced back in 2023 putting good events… plus you have BOOXER and Queensbury in the UK. Japan biggest shows in 2023 are boxing with Mr.Honda as the main promoter. Even clowns like Jake Paul and KSI in the UK are making big bucks in boxing this year.

Aside of the UFC …. Mma has been down this year …. PFL is on route of their highest $ loss in their short history and Bellator has been lackluster… their owners don’t want the product anymore but will continue promoting boxing

yeah boxing has had a great year with a bunch of undisputed fights. only neg is no fury/usyk but overall its been a good one for boxing.
 
Won't shock me. But they'd need a lot of shows as many of these guys have multi fights probably left.

I think it might of started when "we kind missed MVP's contract being up" BS line they gave for why he became a free agent. I don't think you "forget" one of the face of your company.
Any word on MVP these days? I did a quick search and not much out there. I could see him resigning after this is all sorted out.
 
All I know is, the Bellator 300 event poster sure looks PFL-ified, down to the "shield" logo that I don't remember Bellator ever previously using. I hope this doesn't happen, but am suspicious that it happened some time ago.
 
Any word on MVP these days? I did a quick search and not much out there. I could see him resigning after this is all sorted out.

Been quite on that front.

I'm guessing he is fielding offers and being that the Holidays are coming up probably isn't looking to fight this year yet in MMA. I could easily see him announcing his new home in Nov or Dec but not fighting until Feb or something.
 
Been quite on that front.

I'm guessing he is fielding offers and being that the Holidays are coming up probably isn't looking to fight this year yet in MMA. I could easily see him announcing his new home in Nov or Dec but not fighting until Feb or something.
Will probably hear more when ufc announces the next London carD, aka when paddy gets healthy
 
Not true … it has been a great year for Boxing … Showtime has had 2 great PPV’s (Tank vs Garcia and Spence vs Crawford) plus Canelo vs charlo is coming up in 2 weeks … Saudi’s are throwing absurd money to Fury vs Ngannou and other super fights…. Matchroom has a big calendar of events lined up to end the year… Golden Boy has bounced back in 2023 putting good events… plus you have BOOXER and Queensbury in the UK. Japan biggest shows in 2023 are boxing with Mr.Honda as the main promoter. Even clowns like Jake Paul and KSI in the UK are making big bucks in boxing this year.

Aside of the UFC …. Mma has been down this year …. PFL is on route of their highest $ loss in their short history and Bellator has been lackluster… their owners don’t want the product anymore but will continue promoting boxing

Boxing PPV business is doing fine and no doubt it was great year overall.

The problem is if during this whole Viacom shake up that is going if it ends up affecting Showtime and they decide to either cut boxing or pull back on some of the funding to boxing that isn't going to help. ESPN is also going through massive shakes up from Disney sided. Thank god for DAZN supporting boxing in big way from top to bottom.

My only point was is boxing is very top heavy with the way its business model works. A lot of the biggest bucks being made on big PPV events is going into the pocket of a few fighters at the end of the day. The Showtimes of the world get a small cut of these PPV's but they are the one's keeping the foundation of boxing going to even have PPV stars to replace the PPV stars of today. This top heavy business is the biggest reason HBO bailed and they were a cornerstone of the boxing world for years. I'm all for fighters/boxers getting their due but in boxing at the top its almost the opposite of the UFC/Fighter pay situation.
 
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