Crime beau of the fifth column a human trafficker?

[Andy Capp]

you should have used those words then from the beginning. because I NEVER claimed he still has ties with Russians lol!!! so if I have never claimed that or even thought it and you don't say it out loud then why are you blaming me for not knowing it?

full complete paragraphs are you friend. when you make complete thoughts people can understand you and reply. but if you don't.... well.... they cant.

It was claimed in the sources you provided. In more than one post. Are you saying you don't read your own sources now?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

It was claimed in the sources you provided. In more than one post. Are you saying you don't read your own sources now?

I did not get that impression at all man. I think the story quoted that some people claim that maybe?

why don't you quote it in context but in any case I've already put forth my thoughts on the guy in this thread. take some time to read them before jumping on me and making yourself look emotional.

this is a pattern with you ive noticed and you always come out looking terribly.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

That's his wife, and my thought process was she took over because of the political value of women in this election, though she said it's because he was overworking himself.

His entire case is on the DOJ website, its never been a secret or hard to find, and when another youtuber attacked him for it, he never ran from it or denied anything.

who ever claimed it was a secret? you keep saying that and I wonder who you think you are referring to when you do?

I think truth and information is a good thing. this guy has a past that is relevant to who he is no matter how you weigh that data or what conclusions you draw from it. I've explained how I weigh it and why already in this thread. it confirms for me the red flags I just could not shake while listening to his channel.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

this is post #26 from me @Sinister @Andy Capp

the thing about this guy is even though I've listened to ten or so of his videos and even posted one of them on here while arguing with a right wing guy (to the point that not all of us lefties are pussies) I've always had a red flag with him. something had not quite set right for me but I could not put my finger on it.

i've never been able to fully get behind the way he delivers his messages. its always felt a little fake to me or rehearsed and then I've just always had this nagging feeling something was off about him.

this story goes a long way to explaining that and I'm even kicking myself for not trusting that gut feeling about him.

no matter what anyone thinks of him now, forgiven, repentant, fake, slimeball etc this is really important information to have in the data bank when assessing who this person is. for me? I had already stopped listening to him for the reasons I explained and now have no interest in the guy for sure.

 

[koquerelle]

That's his wife, and my thought process was she took over because of the political value of women in this election, though she said it's because he was overworking himself.

His entire case is on the DOJ website, its never been a secret or hard to find, and when another youtuber attacked him for it, he never ran from it or denied anything.

So he's a major pos, but it's okay because he's on our team. Check.

 

[Andy Capp]

I did not get that impression at all man. I think the story quoted that some people claim that maybe?

why don't you quote it in context but in any case I've already put forth my thoughts on the guy in this thread. take some time to read them before jumping on me and making yourself look emotional.

this is a pattern with you ive noticed and you always come out looking terribly.

lol you can't follow what I'm saying because you don't want to or you're completely scatterbrained.

Just go follow the links your source is using for evidence. You posted them, not me.

Here's one for ya to get started,

"King today advocates non-violence, a shift for a man who once reportedly wrote, “Cop that behave like violent thugs, die like violent thugs.”"

Do you think it's impossible he had a change of heart as a result of his punishment?

Check it out. You posted this; all I did was quote you. Click on reportedly and see what you find.

Having said that, it's clear you just took this article for granted without following up on any of their supposed evidence. And you think that I'm the one looking bad here? That's a pattern you've noticed, is it?

 

[Deleted member 577981]

That's his wife, and my thought process was she took over because of the political value of women in this election, though she said it's because he was overworking himself.

His entire case is on the DOJ website, its never been a secret or hard to find, and when another youtuber attacked him for it, he never ran from it or denied anything.

well that doesn't quite track. I guessing he is I'll or in trouble with the law possible.

viewership is WAY down and he was making a killing with all those views. no way he put her in his place unless there was a necessity imo.

 

[Sinister]

well that doesn't quite track. I guessing he is I'll or in trouble with the law possible.

viewership is WAY down and he was making a killing with all those views. no way he put her in his place unless there was a necessity imo.

You're welcome to that opinion. But I think correlating that to something from almost 18 years ago is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

lol you can't follow what I'm saying because you don't want to or you're completely scatterbrained.

Just go follow the links your source is using for evidence. You posted them, not me.

Here's one for ya to get started,

Check it out. You posted this; all I did was quote you. Click on reportedly and see what you find.
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Having said that, it's clear you just took this article for granted without following up on any of their supposed evidence. And you think that I'm the one looking bad here? That's a pattern you've noticed, is it?

no you are just angry and being disingenuous for some really lame partisan reasons. i never endorsed or implied that every single word of any of this was true in the ts. I mentioned him being a human trafficker and that he committed fraud though and that is all true.

the thing with you man is you are so emotional and it drives you to insist on reasons to be emotional. but you don't really need to look beyond yourself for the reason.

its funny @Strychnine is saying everybody already knows this and you are using the "none of this is true line" just discuss this in good faith man... is it that hard for you?

how about just address what he really did either way and not get bogged down playing games Andy? you could just say he is forgiven and its not relevant couldn't you? I disagree with that assessment but I can accept it is your position without being angry and emotional. why cant you?

 

[Andy Capp]

So he's a major pos, but it's okay because he's on our team. Check.

So people never change. 17 years elapses and he's been out of prison for 12 or more and he can't ever be redeemed no matter his intent, is that right?

 

[Andy Capp]

no you are just angry and being disingenuous for some really lame partisan reasons. i never endorsed or implied that every single word of any of this was true in the ts. I mentioned him being a human trafficker and that he committed fraud though and that is all true.

the thing with you man is you are so emotional and it drives you to insist on reasons to be emotional. but you don't really need to look beyond yourself for the reason.

its funny @Strychnine is saying everybody already knows this and you are using the "none of this is true line" just discuss this in good faith man... is it that hard for you?

how about just address what he really did either way and not get bogged down playing games Andy? you could just say he is forgiven and its not relevant couldn't you? I disagree with that assessment but I can accept it is your position without being angry and emotional. why cant you?

That's a long way of saying you have no intention of reading what your own OP sourced for evidence of its claims.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

You're welcome to that opinion. But I think correlating that to something from almost 18 years ago is a bit of a stretch.

and you are welcome to that opinion too but i have always had a feeling something was off for years now. and then I discovered this and it all makes sense to me.

I'm not even totally condemning him and he can be forgiven for who he was. but I am not interested in him at all anymore--- or still-- because I had already moved away from him because something felt really off about him.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

That's a long way of saying you have no intention of reading what your own OP sourced for evidence of its claims.

I already read it twice Andy. he trafficked humans, he committed credit card fraud and thats what this thread is about.

your emotion destroys your intellect and will.

 

[Andy Capp]

I already read it twice Andy. he trafficked humans, he committed credit card fraud and thats what this thread is about.

your emotion destroys your intellect and will.

I'm emotional but you're the one lying about me. Sad.

"its funny @Strychnine is saying everybody already knows this and you are using the "none of this is true line" just discuss this in good faith man... is it that hard for you?"

Show me where I said "none of this is true". This isn't a good faith discussion, obviously.

Show me where I said the criminal conviction was unjust. This isn't a good faith discussion, obviously.

 

[chardog]

So, "paying your debt to society" is no longer sufficient for people?

I'm sure you forgave OJ

 

[Poon Goon]

Political youtube guy is a scumbag and says shit he doesn't believe in for clicks? This is a shocking development. Regardless of political affiliation the thumbnails alone for those types of videos annoy the shit out of me so I've never bothered with any of them.

 

[Sinister]

So people never change. 17 years elapses and he's been out of prison for 12 or more and he can't ever be redeemed no matter his intent, is that right?

That's the case with people they disagree with. If you did a crime when you were 23 and I dont like you when you're 50, I get to call you a career criminal. And this crime is especially going to get attention what with the rabid xenophobia here. Oh noes he helped people get here and get jobs!! Revoke this man's citizenship immediately! The funniest part about it was these "illegals" were Romanians and Bulgarians. Given the portrayal by people who hate him I would have sworn it was brown people, but I guess there's a good reason you have to REALLY look to find out they were Europeans.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm sure you forgave OJ

It's not a question of forgiving or not forgiving. Is there any evidence he's continued his ways since getting out of prison or is there evidence of change in the intervening 17 years?

 

[Sinister]

and you are welcome to that opinion too but i have always had a feeling something was off for years now. and then I discovered this and it all makes sense to me.

I'm not even totally condemning him and he can be forgiven for who he was. but I am not interested in him at all anymore--- or still-- because I had already moved away from him because something felt really off about him.

So essentially you had a bias, and then you found out that he did something bad sometime, a d your bias is confirmed.

That checks out. You and @koquerelle can share a high-five over it.

 

[koquerelle]

So people never change. 17 years elapses and he's been out of prison for 12 or more and he can't ever be redeemed no matter his intent, is that right?

Fuck yes when we're dealing with horrible things like human trafficking. I don't give a shit if "you've found God" or "turned your life around".

Good for you, but don't expect me to buy your story and don't expect me to respect you. Live your life and be happy the sentences in North America are so weak. Cockroaches like him should STFU and don't give any moral lessons to anyone.

Be happy you're free and do good deeds if you really changed. Nothing will ever erase the evil you did though.

Would you be so forgiving if it was Pool or Crowder?