Social Baton Rouge Will Split into Two Cities Following Court Ruling

[spamking]

No it's almost half of Baton Rouge with over 80k people with most of them being middle class.

I understand that. I'm referring to that half as the wannabe oversized HOA.

 

[ImCertainOfCirkunov]

- Yes.

I was in Florianopolis in January, wonderful place. I will return some day.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

his community are very empty

school, not even once.

 

[Cajun]

This wouldn't even matter if states funded school districts appropriately, instead of through local property taxes. Then this group could leave the other group and there wouldn't any negative implications for the schools that children will be attending.

Good point bud. Louisiana has always had poor education as it is. I mentioned earlier that when they allowed casinos in the 90s, they used as a selling point the idea that the casino tax money would fund education. Today we are still bottom 5 or so in education.

 

[Cajun]

Yeah, I could see outrage if the entire city was 100% White, but 15% is higher than the national average.

I read currently its 55/45 white to minority. Its not a white black issue. Baton Rouge has been run terribly for many many years now. Then you had the influx of all the Katrina peeps that never left so the crime rose etc.

 

[Cajun]

That's not how it's pronounced, that's how Americans pronounce it. It's a French name Americans don't know how to pronounce.

I met a guy from New York with the same last name as me and when he introduced himself I smiled and told him that's not how his name is pronounced. He got mad and told me it was because he was American. I told him his name was Italian and where he lived didn't matter.

Not going to lie, we do the same shit in Montréal. Almost all our streets have French names but a lot of them have Anglophone pronunciations, like Guy street. No Anglophone pronounces it the French way, right @koquerelle ?

Peeps from Louisiana know. Listening to peeps from other states trying to figure out how to pronounce cities and streets is funny. We have the city of Iowa pronounced eyeuhway and a street in New Orleans called Tchoupitoulas (Choputulas)

 

[panamaican]

Good point bud. Louisiana has always had poor education as it is. I mentioned earlier that when they allowed casinos in the 90s, they used as a selling point the idea that the casino tax money would fund education. Today we are still bottom 5 or so in education.

I can't even beat the education dead horse anymore. We all know what is required to address it.

But, and let's be honest here, stereotypes about the ability of black kids intelligence and/or ability to learn is used as an excuse to avoid the type of sweeping education reform that is needed. It's never stated out loud but it underpins a wide variety of arguments against an equitable funding of schools or of structuring public education in a way that is beneficial across the entire population.

Personal peeve to follow: I particularly hate when people say that it's not about the money, it's about culture, parents, etc. But then they pause when asked to stop funding public schools through local property taxes, instead to pool the money and allocate it equally across the state. Many of those same people argue that the money they're spending is important to their kids education and it would be harmful to have their local schools funded at levels equal to that in poorer neighborhoods. Some even go so far as to state that why they pay higher property taxes is to fund better schools...even though it's not the money that matters.

The same money that doesn't matter for educating poor kids is extremely important when educating well-to-do kids. Just irks the hell out of me when I see it.

 

[Cajun]

I can't even beat the education dead horse anymore. We all know what is required to address it.

But, and let's be honest here, stereotypes about the ability of black kids intelligence and/or ability to learn is used as an excuse to avoid the type of sweeping education reform that is needed. It's never stated out loud but it underpins a wide variety of arguments against an equitable funding of schools or of structuring public education in a way that is beneficial across the entire population.

Personal peeve to follow: I particularly hate when people say that it's not about the money, it's about culture, parents, etc. But then they pause when asked to stop funding public schools through local property taxes, instead to pool the money and allocate it equally across the state. Many of those same people argue that the money they're spending is important to their kids education and it would be harmful to have their local schools funded at levels equal to that in poorer neighborhoods. Some even go so far as to state that why they pay higher property taxes is to fund better schools...even though it's not the money that matters.

The same money that doesn't matter for educating poor kids is extremely important when educating well-to-do kids. Just irks the hell out of me when I see it.

None of those arguments seem sound. I dont think it will ever be equal funding. A city close to Houston (Katy) built a HS football stadium for 72M from local taxpayer money. Imagine spending 72M on a high school football stadium? Sounds crazy. If I lived there and didnt have kids I'd be pissed haha. Not sure what rules are for giving to a local public school as a community to improve the standards for your kids. One of the interesting things to me on the property taxes... the inner cities that include downtown areas should have a massive haul with regards to property taxes that do not translate any of that to the actual schools.

 

[panamaican]

None of those arguments dont seem sound. I dont think it will ever be equal funding. A city close to Houston (Katy) built a HS football stadium for 72M from local taxpayer money. Imagine spending 72M on a high school football stadium? Sounds crazy. If I lived there and didnt have kids I'd be pissed haha. Not sure what rules are for giving to a local public school as a community to improve the standards for your kids. One of the interesting things to me on the property taxes... the inner cities that include downtown areas should have a massive haul with regards to property taxes that do not translate any of that to the actual schools.

There's a ton of misunderstanding when it comes to public school funding. Cities have tons of infrastructure costs above and beyond their school systems. Part of why inner city schools are underfunded is because funding is needed for a large array of other things, like roads, fire departments, police departments for huge amounts of people. Funding a fire department for 1+ million residents spread over a relatively large area is more expensive than funding a fire department for relatively small area with fewer residents.

Additionally, suburbs are usually higher income. So the funding shortfalls of the public schools are supplemented, first, by the charitable giving of the parents and, second, by the expenditures that the parents make at home.

I send my kid to a fairly expensive private school ($40k at high school). They still raise 7 figures a year in charitable giving. And they have a trust. I live near a pretty good public school, with the same parent type that sends their kids to the private school. That public school raises almost a million dollars a year (they'd probably break that barrier if they could weed out attendees based on tuition). Principals in other public schools in the same school district openly express envy that this public school has so much more money for things than they do, purely based on location. It's the same school district, same property tax base, but the local community's personal resources make a huge difference in what they can do compared other schools.

Running schools for the general population is very expensive. Far more so than if you get to weed out low income students through house prices or straight up tuition. Older buildings are more expensive than newer ones.

There's even more components to it than that. Aspects of financing, legacy costs to the buildings, teacher movement, etc. It's not a purely financial problem.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I find it hard to believe the wealthiest district has no political power.

Or did you mean ALL the political power, which is what rich people expect?

1 vote against 10 isn't exactly political power.

 

[Cajun]

There's a ton of misunderstanding when it comes to public school funding. Cities have tons of infrastructure costs above and beyond their school systems. Part of why inner city schools are underfunded is because funding is needed for a large array of other things, like roads, fire departments, police departments for huge amounts of people. Funding a fire department for 1+ million residents spread over a relatively large area is more expensive than funding a fire department for relatively small area with fewer residents.

Additionally, suburbs are usually higher income. So the funding shortfalls of the public schools are supplemented, first, by the charitable giving of the parents and, second, by the expenditures that the parents make at home.

I send my kid to a fairly expensive private school ($40k at high school). They still raise 7 figures a year in charitable giving. And they have a trust. I live near a pretty good public school, with the same parent type that sends their kids to the private school. That public school raises almost a million dollars a year (they'd probably break that barrier if they could weed out attendees based on tuition). Principals in other public schools in the same school district openly express envy that this public school has so much more money for things than they do, purely based on location. It's the same school district, same property tax base, but the local community's personal resources make a huge difference in what they can do compared other schools.

Running schools for the general population is very expensive. Far more so than if you get to weed out low income students through house prices or straight up tuition. Older buildings are more expensive than newer ones.

There's even more components to it than that. Aspects of financing, legacy costs to the buildings, teacher movement, etc. It's not a purely financial problem.

In essence then, its almost impossible to make everything equal restricting private funding of some schools will not solve the issues related to the least funded.

 

[Loiosh]

1 vote against 10 isn't exactly political power.

Conservatives always trying to get majority power even when they're the minority.

 

[BreatheSherBro]

This is not the first time this has happened in Baton Rouge. Another part of Baton Rouge split off in 2006 to form the city of Central. Central broke off of Baton Rouge for the exact same reason, terrible schools. Central now has better schools. St. George is following their lead. More than anything else, this split happened because the area wanted better schools.

Central, Louisiana - Wikipedia

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Central High School in Central, LA

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The St. George area would not be considered wealthy in most states. Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the country though, so any area that isn't literally below the poverty line is considered wealthy by Louisiana standards.

I no longer live in Louisiana, but I lived in Baton Rouge from 2016-2019. Before that I lived in a suburb just outside of Baton Rouge for most of my adult life.

 

[BreatheSherBro]

If what's happening in Baton Rouge happens across the country, it will be catastrophic. It will be one of the biggest blows to poor people in American history.

Is the main thing that would be catastrophic the reduction in tax revenue? It definitely will hurt financially from that standpoint.

People are already leaving Baton Rouge though and moving to areas with less crime and better schools. That also results in a reduction in the tax base.

 

[Cajun]

This is not the first time this has happened in Baton Rouge. Another part of Baton Rouge split off in 2006 to form the city of Central. Central broke off of Baton Rouge for the exact same reason, terrible schools. Central now has better schools. St. George is following their lead. More than anything else, this split happened because the area wanted better schools.

Central, Louisiana - Wikipedia

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Central High School in Central, LA

Rankings, stats, and reviews on academics, teachers, student life, and more.

www.niche.com

The St. George area would not be considered wealthy in most states. Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the country though, so any area that isn't literally below the poverty line is considered wealthy by Louisiana standards.

I no longer live in Louisiana, but I lived in Baton Rouge from 2016-2019. Before that I lived in a suburb just outside of Baton Rouge for most of my adult life.

2006? I grew up close to central and played their highschool but didnt know that it was a part of BTR. For some reason I always thought of them as their own city. Will say it is a growing and desirable area to live at present so I guess it worked. Also... Bobbie Brown was centrals greatest offering.

 

[Cajun]

Is the main thing that would be catastrophic the reduction in tax revenue? It definitely will hurt financially from that standpoint.

People are already leaving Baton Rouge though and moving to areas with less crime and better schools. That also results in a reduction in the tax base.

I guess he means that if NYC, Chicago etc just decided to break up and start their own cities stuff. I do agree with them that there has to be some order to it all.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I was in Florianopolis in January, wonderful place. I will return some day.

- It's my city. They're reforming the center now. Hope that next time you come here, you dont get stuck on our horrible transit.

Happy that you had a good time.
Next time go to Sexy Night club.

 

[Poon Goon]

This is not the first time this has happened in Baton Rouge. Another part of Baton Rouge split off in 2006 to form the city of Central. Central broke off of Baton Rouge for the exact same reason, terrible schools. Central now has better schools. St. George is following their lead. More than anything else, this split happened because the area wanted better schools.

Central, Louisiana - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Central High School in Central, LA

Rankings, stats, and reviews on academics, teachers, student life, and more.

www.niche.com

The St. George area would not be considered wealthy in most states. Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the country though, so any area that isn't literally below the poverty line is considered wealthy by Louisiana standards.

I no longer live in Louisiana, but I lived in Baton Rouge from 2016-2019. Before that I lived in a suburb just outside of Baton Rouge for most of my adult life.

Was it always known as "Central"? Did they not have the opportunity to come up with a new name? It seems like a bit of a pain in the ass to have to explain what you mean if you say you are from or are heading to Central, LA.

 

[Otto!]

I imagine that other cities are following this closesly. If Baton Rouge is unable to stop this I can see others following suit.

On the one hand I can’t fault people for wanting better schools and wanting their kids to grow up in safer communities. Unfortunately the flip side is that you’re furthering the economic gap between the communities by segregating the tax base.

 

[White Whale]

I imagine that other cities are following this closesly. If Baton Rouge is unable to stop this I can see others following suit.

On the one hand I can’t fault people for wanting better schools and wanting their kids to grow up in safer communities. Unfortunately the flip side is that you’re furthering the economic gap between the communities by segregating the tax base.

Other places are trying to separate from their cities. Austin has six places trying to leave, Buckhead is trying to leave Atlanta, A Colorado county is trying to become part of Wyoming. 12 Oregon counties are trying to become part of Idaho.

People are getting fed up with how their cities and states are being run.