BATMAN V SUPERMAN Thread v.12

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: April 8, 2016

Zack Snyder Reveals BATMAN V SUPERMAN Deleted Scene Addresses Martha Kent's Kidnapping

During an interview with the Batman v Superman director Zack Snyder, IGN asked why Superman can’t hear his mother’s screams and cries for help when she’s kidnapped by Lex Luthor late on.

“I think all the way – to me, from Metropolis to Smallville is probably just on the edge of his range of hearing” Snyder explained. “Also the clutter of the city makes it difficult as well."

"We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her," Snyder continued. "It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

“I kind of like the idea that he’s taught himself not to look because if he looks it’s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can’t be everywhere at once, literally you can’t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.”

The key to the character of Superman is that he is overwhelmed by the feeling of not being able to save everyone. Snyder saying the character just “turns it off” is kinda weird and, to be frank, a little cold. Superman Returns dealt with this issue pretty wonderfully, so it’s not impossible to tackle and actually provides some depth to the character, but as we’ve seen in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, this iteration of the character really only cares about Martha Kent and Lois Lane, while saving bystanders is kind of treated as an extracurricular activity.

‘Batman v Superman’: Zack Snyder Reveals a Deleted Scene He Cut for Being Too Dark

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

Marvel really upped it's action choreography with Winter Soldier. It was a good film and I really enjoyed it. It wasn't nearly as dark as Man of Steel, because it never quite communicated the stakes as well as Man of Steel did, but honestly I didn't care. Every film doesn't need to be dark to be good. It was a great ride, the ending was predictable and boring, but the journey there was great. Overall Winter Soldier gave me the same amount of enjoyment as DC's films, albeit for different reasons.

I agree that TDKR is a steaming pile of dogshit diarrhoea once swallowed and then vomited out of a mouth of a fat lady. If you can't already tell, I hated that movie. BB and TDK are both awesome, and I have seen both multiple times.

However, I consider the Nolanverse separate from DC's cinematic universe, and I am not really taking them into consideration when I am making my arguments. DCverse for the moment is Man of Steel, BvS and soon the Suicide Squad.

Also the Suicide Squad reshoots are not to add more gags, but to film action sequences. The movie already has plenty of gags, which was apparent from the trailer. I hope the movie doesn't go the family friendly route and are willing to do whatever it takes to tell the story right. I just saw the animated movie Batman return to Arkham which was a Suicide Squad story, and there are plenty of funny quips in there. However, it's not particularly a family friendly film, the way Marvel would make it. A film can be funny and still deal with adult themes and emotions. That's what I am hoping for from Suicide Squad.

I just hope the cry baby BvS critics don't ruin the future DC films that are still in the preproduction stage, by influencing the studio to push for a more Marvel-esque formula. We already have one Marvel, let DC do it's own damn thing, goddamnit !

I'd like to add to your points that it depends on the director. The Russos are way different than Whedon. Obviously, when you have so many movies on the slate, you have to have multiple directors. That's just what I think, at least.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Update: April 8, 2016

Zack Snyder Reveals BATMAN V SUPERMAN Deleted Scene Addresses Martha Kent's Kidnapping

During an interview with the Batman v Superman director Zack Snyder, IGN asked why Superman can’t hear his mother’s screams and cries for help when she’s kidnapped by Lex Luthor late on.

“I think all the way – to me, from Metropolis to Smallville is probably just on the edge of his range of hearing” Snyder explained. “Also the clutter of the city makes it difficult as well."

"We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her," Snyder continued. "It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

“I kind of like the idea that he’s taught himself not to look because if he looks it’s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can’t be everywhere at once, literally you can’t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.”

The key to the character of Superman is that he is overwhelmed by the feeling of not being able to save everyone. Snyder saying the character just “turns it off” is kinda weird and, to be frank, a little cold. Superman Returns dealt with this issue pretty wonderfully, so it’s not impossible to tackle and actually provides some depth to the character, but as we’ve seen in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, this iteration of the character really only cares about Martha Kent and Lois Lane, while saving bystanders is kind of treated as an extracurricular activity.

‘Batman v Superman’: Zack Snyder Reveals a Deleted Scene He Cut for Being Too Dark

Meanwhile he can hear louis all the way from africa

Even Zack cant make any sense of this shit

 

[Hitman81]

So is it apparent now that Zack Snyder can't make anything good that is also somewhat original? His two best movies far and away to me are 300 and Watchmen which are basically written and story boarded for him. His other stuff is pure shit.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Lol he can hear Lois' heartbeat underwater

 

[brokenjaw]

This just confirms that the deleted scenes make the movie at least somewhat coherent. On another note, Snyder is full of shit. Batman rescued supes mom before Lex's deadline ended. Meaning, she was within Batman's flying vicinity. Meaning superman could hear here.

 

[Michaelangelo]

I don't even think Snyder hires an editor

He just shoots hours and hours of film and then pieces it together with Windows Movie Maker

 

[BuffaloEmperor]

I liked the movie. But when the director has to explain so much to us, Prometheus, it takes away from the movies integrity . And almost becomes silly.

 

[pinkybrief]

cause you know
pussy>mom

 

[Mike]

Well your questions are dumb to be fair. Like asking "Why is Supes so pissed that Batman is a vigilante taking the law into his own hands, when he's doing the exact same thing with the exact same methods on a global scale?" This was addressed numerous times!!! Superman felt he was going after only a certain type of criminal in Gotham. Clark spoke of it to Lawernce Fishburne and even seeks to stop batman via the Daily Planet articles under his disguise. Did you miss this???? That's why I asked if you were high because you weren't paying attention clearly.

Did you collect or read comics anytime in your life? Serious question.

I red a lot of comics growing up and throughout my life. Yes it's addressed, but the way it's addressed is dumb. In the standard continuity Clarks gripes would have made sense, as he's a boy scout compared to Batman. This version of superman killed a dude in MOS. He also showed no reservations about punching a dude through multiple buildings in a densely populated area in MOS, and made no effort to move the fight to a more secluded area. He also kills a dude in BVS as well.


So yes the movie mentions why he is pissed at batman, but the reasons given make no goddamn sense given the dark and gritty version of superman they've chosen to use. This superman is not a boy scout. Yes they setup why Batman is pissed at superman, and his reasons have a lot more logic to them.


Still doesn't justify why he acts like a retard the entire movie, and is so aggressive towards a guy that could kill him instantly if he chose to, but continually tries to talk to him instead of engage in violence. Yes yes he saw the collateral damage from the fight with Zod, but he failed to notice that since that he has never killed an innocent, and is shown saving people from harm all over the place. It doesn't make sense that he's so convinced Superman is this huge threat given he's been watching his actions for years.


Why would Lois go back for the weapon she threw in the water without anyone telling her they need it for Doomsday? Made zero sense, was done purely to advance the plot. Every single one of my complaints ( except Amy Adams looking haggard lol) has to do with the logic presented in the movie being stupid, not with me failing to understand what was going on.


I grasped what was going on just fine, however it was utterly retarded. These are the same complaints many people have made, these are not unique complaints.

 

[Mike]

Just because something did not happened to You
it does not mean it did not happened to others
example: sex

Herp a derp yes I had issues with the weak plot so I must be a virgin. Grow up.

 

[Mike]

I honestly think in general people take movies, especially action/fantasy-type movies way too seriously. It's like how some people complained about how basic Avatar's storyline was when it came out, and I just think to myself, "Wait...so you went to this beautiful, IMAX 3-D, visual masterpiece of a movie about 10 ft tall, blue cat people, but you're disappointed because of the lack of depth in the story???"

I also believe that a lot of people don't think as independently as they think they do. I'm not saying BvS was great, but as a superhero movie, it was better than most IMO (of the recent ones I've seen, it's way better than Iron-Man 3 and Age of Ultron). But if critics say it was bad, then it's almost like even if only by a fraction, it taints someone's opinion towards them not liking it. That's why I don't watch multiple trailers and don't read reviews until after I watch a movie.

1. Yes we can all guess and come up with our own conclusions as to why the brand would mean that. No, the movie gives us no reasoning as to why.


2. Right this does not address what I'm saying. Why doesn't the fact that all superman does is save people, and during every encounter he never attempts to harm batman when he cold kill him instantly, make him change his opinion at all?


3. At the moment he says martha he has no reason to think batman is going to help save her, they aren't having a conversation. Slo again when worried about his mother why would he use her name instead of mom, other than it serves the plot?

4. What you said here has nothing to do with why superman is pissed at batman.



5. If you read ANY of these points, make it this one. WHY WOULD SHE AUTOMATICALLY KNOW THAT? Nobody tells her the monster is a kryptonian, she has zero reason to suspect she needs to go back for the spear, unless she has a copy of the script that is.


6. Agreed it's a plot hole


7. Agreed again, it was set up poorly.


8. So many dream/fantasy sequences in one movie is a bit offputting. Not a huge deal tho.


9. It's still a bit odd. Not a plot hole or anything, just seemed odd.


10. Yeah that's the angle the movie goes for, but as you said it's abrupt.


11. Yes I saw that scene. Why did all the government people investigating the ship just disappear, and nobody ever checked on what he was doing there the entire movie? Talking to ONE politician got him that much access to something like an alien craft? Yeah ok.


12. Once again yes the movie mentioned a reason, but the reason was idiotic. Sure we have a rule put in place by our leaders, and we recognize you're not one of us, but they aren't here so sure do whatever. That's silly.


13. This point isn't complicated. Batman's entire reason for hating Superman is a battle he had in the middle of a city where many people died. Knowing that, why would he deliberately lead DD from a deserted location into the city, just because the weapon is there? Go get the weapon and go back, leading him TOWARDS civilians makes no sense.


15. If his entire goal is crime prevention, it makes little sense he was willing to kill several of Luthor's thugs, but was perfectly willing to let the mastermind live. Especially given how many people Luthor is responsible for killing in the movie, easily in the hundreds.

 

[indo80]

I honestly think in general people take movies, especially action/fantasy-type movies way too seriously. It's like how some people complained about how basic Avatar's storyline was when it came out, and I just think to myself, "Wait...so you went to this beautiful, IMAX 3-D, visual masterpiece of a movie about 10 ft tall, blue cat people, but you're disappointed because of the lack of depth in the story???"

I also believe that a lot of people don't think as independently as they think they do. I'm not saying BvS was great, but as a superhero movie, it was better than most IMO (of the recent ones I've seen, it's way better than Iron-Man 3 and Age of Ultron). But if critics say it was bad, then it's almost like even if only by a fraction, it taints someone's opinion towards them not liking it. That's why I don't watch multiple trailers and don't read reviews until after I watch a movie.

Totally agree!!!

I knew what to expect and i got what i wanted from the movie. I watched Deadpool as well and i liked both of the movies equally. I cant see how deadpool is that much better of a movie than batman vs superman. However a lot of people get easily persuaded by what the "experts" think.

 

[indo80]

You need to convince your friends and loved ones to go see it then, and toss in a few extra viewings yourself. The studio needs to make back the boat load of cash they blew on this.

Dont really care how much the studio makes or loses in any movie. However, i understand the studio is not going to rush into another superman/batman movie. I have told people to watch it as it was a entertaining movie.

 

[WandySaku2]

1. Yes we can all guess and come up with our own conclusions as to why the brand would mean that. No, the movie gives us no reasoning as to why.

- I only saw it once, and I'm pretty sure the reason I gave was mentioned, but I have no way of proving it, so OK.


2. Right this does not address what I'm saying. Why doesn't the fact that all superman does is save people, and during every encounter he never attempts to harm batman when he cold kill him instantly, make him change his opinion at all?


3. At the moment he says martha he has no reason to think batman is going to help save her, they aren't having a conversation. Slo again when worried about his mother why would he use her name instead of mom, other than it serves the plot?

- He knows Batman is a good guy and at that point he was about to die, so saying "Save Mom/Martha" would be natural since that was his reason for being there at that point. And say it is just something that serves the plot...so what? It's a comic book movie, it's not that serious.

4. What you said here has nothing to do with why superman is pissed at batman.

- I don't recall what response this is referring to, but my take from it was that he didn't like that Batman actually takes the law into his own hands. From what I remember, he first seems perturbed by him when he's watching the news report about the branding and that the people with it were getting killed. I say this not as a jab at you, but I don't need to see a scene where Superman blatantly tells Batman "I don't like you because of yada yada yada", it was easy enough to come to that conclusion based on the scene I mentioned.

In all honesty, this movie could have been called Batman vs. Superman: Misunderstanding.



5. If you read ANY of these points, make it this one. WHY WOULD SHE AUTOMATICALLY KNOW THAT? Nobody tells her the monster is a kryptonian, she has zero reason to suspect she needs to go back for the spear, unless she has a copy of the script that is.

- I'm pretty positive Batman or Superman mentions something about what you say no one tells her. She didn't just randomly think, "Hey, that spear might work" without some prompt, but again, saw it once, can't prove it, so OK.


11. Yes I saw that scene. Why did all the government people investigating the ship just disappear, and nobody ever checked on what he was doing there the entire movie? Talking to ONE politician got him that much access to something like an alien craft? Yeah ok.

- Again, comic book movie. Remember, the thing that separates Clark Kent and Superman is a pair of glasses. If we can allow that to fly, then a powerful, rich man with that much pull isn't that crazy in the real world, let alone that universe.


12. Once again yes the movie mentioned a reason, but the reason was idiotic. Sure we have a rule put in place by our leaders, and we recognize you're not one of us, but they aren't here so sure do whatever. That's silly.

- Yea, it's silly.


13. This point isn't complicated. Batman's entire reason for hating Superman is a battle he had in the middle of a city where many people died. Knowing that, why would he deliberately lead DD from a deserted location into the city, just because the weapon is there? Go get the weapon and go back, leading him TOWARDS civilians makes no sense.

- Honestly, I don't remember them leading him anywhere, at that point I was just enjoying watching shit go down, so IDK.


15. If his entire goal is crime prevention, it makes little sense he was willing to kill several of Luthor's thugs, but was perfectly willing to let the mastermind live. Especially given how many people Luthor is responsible for killing in the movie, easily in the hundreds.

- I get you, but again, even in reality, I'd think most would have an issue with just murdering someone regardless of the atrocities they've done. Plus, if his goal is bringing people to justice, then that goal was accomplished. Batman isn't The Punisher.

It's somewhat of an apples to oranges comparison, but I've seen numerous videos where hunters will find an animal they are looking for that's trapped in some kind of way and instead of just saying "This is my lucky day", they actually help the animal get free.

Lol at comparing this to Iron Man 3. One of the worst comic films of all time. Way to set the bar high lmao.

I don't watch many comic book movies, so I can only compare it to the ones I have seen. I liked it about as much as I liked Deadpool, and I also compared it to Avengers: Age of Ultron, is that one of the worst also? Like I said, I've only seen maybe 15% of the comic book movies that have come out.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

Totally agree!!!

I knew what to expect and i got what i wanted from the movie. I watched Deadpool as well and i liked both of the movies equally. I cant see how deadpool is that much better of a movie than batman vs superman. However a lot of people get easily persuaded by what the "experts" think.

I have yet to see BvS but I feel Deadpool IS good movie

 

[indo80]

I have yet to see BvS but I feel Deadpool IS good movie

I thought it was a good movie too. My feeling is that BvS was equally as entertaining as Deadpool. Perhaps Deadpool gained momentum as the expectations were much lower for it but BvS is in the same league in my opinion.

 

[WandySaku2]

Meanwhile he can hear louis all the way from africa

Even Zack cant make any sense of this shit

Surely she wouldn't tell her superhero boyfriend that she was going on a dangerous assignment?

 

[Screwtape]

Lois Lane shouldn't be older than Martha Kent.

 

[Lovestorm]

Update: April 8, 2016

Zack Snyder Reveals BATMAN V SUPERMAN Deleted Scene Addresses Martha Kent's Kidnapping

During an interview with the Batman v Superman director Zack Snyder, IGN asked why Superman can’t hear his mother’s screams and cries for help when she’s kidnapped by Lex Luthor late on.

“I think all the way – to me, from Metropolis to Smallville is probably just on the edge of his range of hearing” Snyder explained. “Also the clutter of the city makes it difficult as well."

"We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her," Snyder continued. "It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

“I kind of like the idea that he’s taught himself not to look because if he looks it’s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can’t be everywhere at once, literally you can’t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.”

The key to the character of Superman is that he is overwhelmed by the feeling of not being able to save everyone. Snyder saying the character just “turns it off” is kinda weird and, to be frank, a little cold. Superman Returns dealt with this issue pretty wonderfully, so it’s not impossible to tackle and actually provides some depth to the character, but as we’ve seen in Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, this iteration of the character really only cares about Martha Kent and Lois Lane, while saving bystanders is kind of treated as an extracurricular activity.

‘Batman v Superman’: Zack Snyder Reveals a Deleted Scene He Cut for Being Too Dark

LOL. Does it? Does it really? Maybe it should've been in the movie?

Spoiler

LOL