BATMAN V SUPERMAN Thread v.12

[MadSquabbles500]

Update: May 17, 2016

Neal Adams Reveals What He Thought of BATMAN V SUPERMAN

Artist and Writer Neal Adams certainly had a lot to say about DC's latest film, Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice.

In an interview with the Audibly Exquisite podcast, Adams was praising the Animated films that DC has been producing, specifically the way they are able to translate classic stories from the comics. That subject segued into the team asking what he thought of Batman V Superman.

"You really want to ask me that? Okay alright, I'll tell ya. I have held out such hope for that movie, because they tried to fix something of the last one, where you sit, everybody criticizes, uh, Superman practically destroys Metropolis fighting these Kryptonians when he could've taken them to the Sahara desert or to the moon or somewhere where you're not killing people, and so they're sitting there and basically saying okay, now Bruce Wayne Batman is blaming Superman for doing that, and so he wants to control him and to undo him. Unfortunately at the end, if we track the movie, he ends up killing him, duh! I mean it, is that the point we want to receive at the end. Now we know he's not dead, but the point is that if he challenged Superman and he's going to kill him, he kills him. It's just he uses some other weapon, ya know."

"So what has happened that's good about the move? Well, they tried to fix the previous movie. Mmmmm they didn't exactly. They tried to do Frank Miller's Batman and they sort of did it, except it's not 20 or 30 years int the future, which is the only way you can do that movie. They brought it in the past so the first thing you see is Bruce Wayne with Gray in his temples. First thing, you don't want to see Bruce Wayne with gray in his temples. I can have gray in my temples cuz I've earned it, but he is supposed to be 29 years old. so suddenly we don't know how old he is. Suddenly we don't know where this is taking place in the history. Suddenly we're, by solving this problem you make more problems. Now the convoluted problems that are made start affecting your plot. Now you start asking questions like oh, who's the villain at the end (Doomsday), yeah, you throw in Doomsday and you go whoa whoa wait a second, can't we have Doomsday have his own film? We just lost that film."

"Then we have Wonder Woman, who apparently can't do anything. I mean she doesn't do anything in the movie, she just looks good, ya know, but, and she does look very nice, those close-ups are fantastic, and she poses well, but she's got a lasso that I understand its latest power is to be able to control people, like she throws around somebody and they not only have to tell the truth but she controls them. Should've been the end of the movie. Wasn't, wasn't, so she was useless so why was she there? So now I'm given a teaser for a Wonder Woman movie that I want to see, I want all this to happen, but I can't understand why they keep on throwing it in in the wrong way, and so I'm not going to get it."

Famed Batman Artist Neal Adams Reveals What He Thought of BATMAN V SUPERMAN

Another Marvel shill.

 

[heavyarms21]

It's more credible than rating this movie high

 

[BoxingFan123]

They fucked up by having Snyder have anything to do with Superman. I am a firm believer he hates the character and his mythos and he fucks up the spirit of the character. When I think Superman I think hope and altruism , his Superman is gloomy and he tries to create this connection with him and Jesus which is wrong when look it up.

Superman has had Jewish messianic roots from his inception. Snider plays with religious imagery to convey how people in the film view Superman, the God amongst men theme is played out repeatedly (Demons descending from the heavens). Just as Superman saved Batman's humanity in BvS, so was Superman's and we will see that classical take upon his resurrection. Snyder has said he had a 3 film arc for Superman, even with me not being a Snyder fan at all (MoS is his only classic film) I trust him to keep that arc.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Another Marvel shill.

Neal Adams is more of a DC guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Adams

Neal Adams is an American comic book and commercial artist known for helping to create some of the definitive modern imagery of the DC Comics characters Superman, Batman, and Green Arrow; as the co-founder of the graphic design studio Continuity Associates; and as a creators-rights advocate who helped secure a pension and recognition for Superman creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. Adams was inducted into the Eisner Award's Will Eisner Comic Book Hall of Fame in 1998, and the Harvey Awards' Jack Kirby Hall of Fame in 1999.

You just have to accept that some of those that didn't like BvS as much as you did don't have any hidden agenda, company bias or other ulterior motives.

 

[heavyarms21]

Superman has had Jewish messianic roots from his inception. Snider plays with religious imagery to convey how people in the film view Superman, the God amongst men theme is played out repeatedly (Demons descending from the heavens). Just as Superman saved Batman's humanity in BvS, so was Superman's and we will see that classical take upon his resurrection. Snyder has said he had a 3 film arc for Superman, even with me not being a Snyder fan at all (MoS is his only classic film) I trust him to keep that arc.

Classic ? People are entitled to entitled to what they want and MoS and BvS are not as bad as people on the other side but it puzzles me even more when people rate them with 9s or 10s

 

[JBSchroeds]

Adams is definitely not a shill, but actually reading his opinion I think a lot of what he's saying is sort of dumb (and this is coming from somebody who'd give BvS maybe a 5.5/10). I think he's carrying too much comic book baggage and expecting certain things to be exactly as they are in the books. When you start saying stuff like "but he's supposed to be 29" of "its latest power" you just might be a tad too close to the source material to give an unbiased review.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Neal Adams is more of a DC guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Adams

Neal Adams is an American comic book and commercial artist known for helping to create some of the definitive modern imagery of the DC Comics characters Superman, Batman, and Green Arrow; as the co-founder of the graphic design studio Continuity Associates; and as a creators-rights advocate who helped secure a pension and recognition for Superman creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. Adams was inducted into the Eisner Award's Will Eisner Comic Book Hall of Fame in 1998, and the Harvey Awards' Jack Kirby Hall of Fame in 1999.

You just have to accept that some of those that didn't like BvS as much as you did don't have any hidden agenda, company bias or other ulterior motives.

So . . . people jump from company to company.

 

[prod2821]

Met Neal he's a fantastic guy, just a frustrated fanboy and I do value his opinion

 

[minute bull]

It is Superman in the Watchmen type of society. Snyder portrays Superman as someone who is holding the mantle of hope and altruism, while the rest of the world is playing dirty politics like Alexandor Luthor.

Yeah, but his brand of hope more befits a single mother waitress coming out of nine consecutive abusive relationships. Snyder's Superman cleans up before and after the birthday party.

 

[Shamu68]

Adams is definitely not a shill, but actually reading his opinion I think a lot of what he's saying is sort of dumb (and this is coming from somebody who'd give BvS maybe a 5.5/10). I think he's carrying too much comic book baggage and expecting certain things to be exactly as they are in the books. When you start saying stuff like "but he's supposed to be 29" of "its latest power" you just might be a tad too close to the source material to give an unbiased review.

The feeling I got reading that was he was going to say something much harsher but edited himself due to his history with DC. A "don't piss off the boss" type of moment.

 

[BoxingFan123]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...and-batman-v-superman-proves-it/#5a19a81d258e

One of the loudest complaints from some critics and fans has been the claim that Zack Snyder hates Superman, and thatBatman v Superman proves it. This assertion hinges on such a dramatic misreading of the film, I’m frankly stunned that even some otherwise typically smart and insightful writers have bought into this myth and perpetuated it. So now, I’m going to completely debunk the claim, and explain to you how Batman v Superman in fact makes Superman’s goodness and idealism the centerpiece of the story, and how Zack Snyder clearly loves Superman’s character and honors him in this film.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Update: May 18, 2016

Warner Bros. Creates DC Films Division Due to BATMAN V SUPERMAN Fallout

The fallout from Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice continues to ripple through Warner Bros.

The Burbank-based studio is making changes to the way it handles its DC Entertainment-centered films, giving oversight of the feature projects to a pair of executives and creating a dedicated division for the films. Current executive vp Jon Berg and Geoff Johns, DC's chief content officer who successfully launched the comics label's foray into television, will co-run the newly created DC Films, according to multiple sources.

This move is part of a broader refinement of executive roles at Warners, which has suffered a disappointing run of movies and has vexed producers and filmmakers, some of whom complain about a murky greenlight process.

Now, instead of a broad range of movies to oversee, executives will be charged with managing “genre streams" while reporting to Warner Bros. Pictures president Greg Silverman. In many cases, these streams formalize interests and specialties for specific executives. Courtenay Valenti, for example, will now oversee all Lego projects as well as the Harry Potter line that begins with November's Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Senior production execs Jesse Ehrman and Niija Kuykendall will focus more on comedy/family and sci-fi/action, respectively, according to sources.

Further executive changes are anticipated, including a potential hire at the senior level.

Berg was already working on BvS, Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman and Justice League. He also is a conduit to Ben Affleck, having worked with the actor-filmmaker on Argo and Live by Night, the crime thriller Affleck recently wrapped as director, writer and star for the studio.

Comics writer-turned-exec Johns, meanwhile, was key in working with showrunner Greg Berlanti on the ascension of superhero shows such as Arrow, The Flash and Supergirl and is the writer behind DC's upcoming Rebirth, the publishing side's reboot of its titles that will play out over the summer months. He is not leaving DC, according to sources, but adding film to his portfolio.
Johns will still report to DC Entertainment president Diane Nelson, while Berg will report to Silverman.

With Berg and Johns, Warner Bros. is attempting to unify the disparate elements of the DC movies with a seasoned film exec and a comics veteran that together hopefully can emulate the way Marvel Studios has produced its films under the vision of president Kevin Feige. But sources also say Warners still wants to remain a filmmaker-driven studio. As part of their new jobs, Berg and Johns will become producers on the Justice League movies.

The muted reception of BvS, from a box-office and critical point of view, is the flashpoint for the changes. The studio had high hopes for the movie, which pitted its top heroes against each other. The door was opened for director Zack Snyder to be involved in shaping the look and content of the entire DC line, which is scheduled through 2020. But critics and fans ripped into the first pic and especially Snyder for perceived missteps, including its heroes' unheroic behavior and the dark tone. BvS, which cost at least $300 million to make, has grossed less than $870 million worldwide since its March 25 release. Warners has said the film will be profitable but it was hardly the home run the studio had wanted.

In stark contrast, Marvel Studios’ Captain America: Civil War is heading towards $1 billion in less than two weeks of release. The movie also pitted heroes against each other, but Marvel's lighter tone and bright colors (while tackling more serious themes) are clearly resonating with audiences. So Warners is attempting a course correction.

'Batman v. Superman' Fallout: Warner Bros. Shakes Up Executive Roles (Exclusive)

Only in Hollywood could an investment that makes a profit nearly three times it's budget costs, be precieved as a failure.

I'm not disagreeing that there should be replacements among the higher-ups, especially among the executive producers and writers. But this is a case of 'give it a gigantic budget, and it'll be a huge success.'

Umm... how much money was wasted in the stupid post-apocalypse dream sequence? How about the Flash time warp to warn Bruce Wayne?

And who thought it was a brilliant idea that what ended the fight was 'Martha!' ??? And who approved it?

How about that stupid final trailer that basically told everyone everything?

This movie has moments of greatness, like the action scene before Batman saves Martha. The cast, besides Jessie Eisenburg, was damn near flawless.

I've heard no complaints about the directing. Perhaps people confuse 'director' to mean he is incharge of the general 'direction' of the movie. What Snyder's exact role in anything other than where to point the camera, is vague.

Anyway, I'm a Marvel guy, and Batman is the only DC character I ever gave a shit about, until the recent Man of Steel. I see potential for DC films to get their shit together and put out products that are on Marvel's level, and possibly surpassing them. But the expectations are too high, too early. Whatever changes they make, I hope they don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[heavyarms21]

You can also blame Grandma's Peach Tea...

 

[GearSolidMetal]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...and-batman-v-superman-proves-it/#5a19a81d258e

Good article. Thanks for posting.

 

[Strange King]

Classic ? People are entitled to entitled to what they want and MoS and BvS are not as bad as people on the other side but it puzzles me even more when people rate them with 9s or 10s

What didn't you like about MOS? I rate mos higher than bvs. I actually love Mos because of the action which I thought bvs was sorely missing

 

[heavyarms21]

What didn't you like about MOS? I rate mos higher than bvs. I actually love Mos because of the action which I thought bvs was sorely missing

You and I have argued on Man of Steel before I promise you. I thought it was decent at the time but doesn't hold up when I watch it again the Supes vs Zod Soldiers was good and the Same with Zod , but overall the movie was flat and I thought Amy Adams was terrible in this, and absolutely fucking hated the Pa Kent Sacrifice.

 

[ufcfan4]

What didn't you like about MOS? I rate mos higher than bvs. I actually love Mos because of the action which I thought bvs was sorely missing

that scene where Supes fought Faora (hot by the way) and that big Kryptonian SOB was damn legit.

Who was that hulking character. I know that at the time people were indicating it was meant to be Non, the silent Kryptonian portrayed in Superman 2 alongside Zod and the female, but I think that ended up being wrong.

 

[ufcfan4]

You and I have argued on Man of Steel before I promise you. I thought it was decent at the time but doesn't hold up when I watch it again the Supes vs Zod Soldiers was good and the Same with Zod , but overall the movie was flat and I thought Amy Adams was terrible in this, and absolutely fucking hated the Pa Kent Sacrifice.

Pa Kent moment remains one of the dumbest "feels" moments I've seen in a recent film.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Only in Hollywood could an investment that makes a profit nearly three times it's budget costs, be precieved as a failure.

I'm not disagreeing that there should be replacements among the higher-ups, especially among the executive producers and writers. But this is a case of 'give it a gigantic budget, and it'll be a huge success.'

Umm... how much money was wasted in the stupid post-apocalypse dream sequence? How about the Flash time warp to warn Bruce Wayne?

And who thought it was a brilliant idea that what ended the fight was 'Martha!' ??? And who approved it?

How about that stupid final trailer that basically told everyone everything?

This movie has moments of greatness, like the action scene before Batman saves Martha. The cast, besides Jessie Eisenburg, was damn near flawless.

I've heard no complaints about the directing. Perhaps people confuse 'director' to mean he is incharge of the general 'direction' of the movie. What Snyder's exact role in anything other than where to point the camera, is vague.

Anyway, I'm a Marvel guy, and Batman is the only DC character I ever gave a shit about, until the recent Man of Steel. I see potential for DC films to get their shit together and put out products that are on Marvel's level, and possibly surpassing them. But the expectations are too high, too early. Whatever changes they make, I hope they don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

profit wise it's prob breaking even or in the low 8 figures tbh

budget and advertising is around or more than 400 million

they get around half the ticket sales back on almost 870 million so far

my guess would be 20 million in profit so far

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Don't recall if I mentioned this recently, but throughout my life I've been a Superman hater. He's just too damn powerful that anything is credible threat to him.

But Man of Steel is the first product with Superman, with the lone exception of 'The Death of Superman' comic, that made me want to know about his character. It was a damn good film, with flaws. The only people I know that hate it are Marvel fanboys, and Superman fanboys that know and love everything with Superman.

It must say something that a former Superman hater, like me, could watch MoS and throughly enjoy it, and Superman fanboys despise it.