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BATMAN V SUPERMAN (Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

If you have seen BATMAN V SUPERMAN, how would you rate it?


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So, I've DLed three different files for the extended cut (2gb, 1.2gb, and 600MB), from the bay that likes to pirate, and they're actually all from the same source, because while all three say they're 24FPS (Frames Per Second) and with different resolutions depending on the file size, it's more like 12FPS or fewer. Damn near unwatchable.

If I'm going to watch this movie on my S5, it's going to be full resolution and an appropriate FPS comparable to normal viewing speeds.

So, I guess I'll check back on the bay that likes to pirate, soon.
 
Thanks I know the premise of Civil War, maybe I'll take your advice and watch it this week. Good to hear that Iron Man is more serious this time around, I've found him annoying and downright unlikeable in previous films but maybe that is what they were going for. Glad that the Russos are taking over for Whedon for Infinity War.

I went into Civil War with zero expectations. If it was overhyped, then I'd say it was overhyped, and it's earned every bit of the hype it's recieved.

It's in the Top 10 comic book movies of all time, maybe Top 5.
 
You can't have characters that are so shitty and say it's better.

xmen apocalypse is one of the most shitty movies ever made not just comic. Bvs was flat that is all

For me, X-Men: Apocalypse was much much better than BvS.
 
For me, X-Men: Apocalypse was much much better than BvS.

Taste is, of course, subjective. For me, even as a Marvel nut-hugger, BvS was far superior to X Men Apocalypse. I gave them the same score - 8/10 - but even with it's many, many flaws, BvS was far more enjoyable overall. The only saving graces in Apocalypse were Quicksilver's and Wolverine's scenes. Without them, the movie would have gotten a 6 from me.

By contrast, Affleck's Batman was damn near perfect, IMHO. I loved almost every scene he was in. The sole exception was the cringe worthy, "Martha!" scene. But I can't blame Affleck for that.
 
Anyone watch the Ultimate Cut yet? Thoughts?

100% a much better movie. To what degree depends on what your problems with the film are. If you're one of those people who hated literally everything about this then it's not going to change your mind.

A lot of things were improved and I was going to write up everything I thought that changed/improved but fuck that just going to attempt make it short and sweet with a few general things. Most of you are going to see it soon anyway.

The things that I walked away thinking were most improved are: Clark, Lex, and the first hour of the movie.

Damnit. As I'm thinking of what I want to say, it's hard to keep this short. Okay so, Clark comes off so much better which adds more weight to his death. You get so much of a better idea of what kind of person he is.

Lex plans are way more clear. Like WAY more clear. You see just how much he is manipulating everything. Things that work in his favor don't seem to be happening coincidentally like they did in the theatrical cut.

In the theatrical cut, I felt like after the Man of Steel flashback the movie comes to a screeching halt. It's just so slow till the end. The pacing for the first hour of the movie is GREATLY improved in the Ultimate Cut. It's seriously like night and day imo. It might be my favorite part of the movie now. That being said the middle hour felt like it dragged, but I don't know if that's because I've already seen the movie 3 times before this and I knew everything that would happen. And then the last hour is just pandemonium, but you've already seen that.

I'm going to watch it in the theater on Monday. Looking forward to seeing it again.

Are the action scenes longer and more violent? The warehouse scene seemed like they just added crappy CG blood.
 
Taste is, of course, subjective. For me, even as a Marvel nut-hugger, BvS was far superior to X Men Apocalypse. I gave them the same score - 8/10 - but even with it's many, many flaws, BvS was far more enjoyable overall. The only saving graces in Apocalypse were Quicksilver's and Wolverine's scenes. Without them, the movie would have gotten a 6 from me.

By contrast, Affleck's Batman was damn near perfect, IMHO. I loved almost every scene he was in. The sole exception was the cringe worthy, "Martha!" scene. But I can't blame Affleck for that.


What bothered me about X-Men: Apocalypse was that it seemed so forgettable to me. I remember watching First Class and being very impressed an then seeing DOFP three years later and finding it even more awesome.

Apocalypse was just mehh for me. One of the bigger problems was the main villain himself. That's a legendary character right there and they did not do him justice in my view. As powerful as they made him, I never got a full on sense of menace from him.

I said this in the thread for that movie, but I'll reiterate it. THere are some films in which the sense of urgency is really there because the filmmakers and actors do an excellent job of showcasing the stakes and you really feel as though the world is in grave danger.

Independence Day is a hokey-ass movie but I can emphatically say that's a film involving cataclysmic events that legitimately showcases the threat and really conveys that this is potential end of the world type stuff.

Apocalypse is one of those cataclysmic movies that seems so contained by comparison. That final battle did not feel like a stakes-high situation to me- it seemed like the X-Men vs. Apocalpyse and his minions...

Oscar Isaac is good but he did not have much to work with there and just came across as diull for the most part.

You could excise that entire Stryker scene and lose absolutely nothing except a cool Jackman cameo. I love Jackman as Wolverine, but if the only reason for a 20 minute diversion in the film that does not contribute to the narrative in any meaningful way is to have a badass cameo, I don't know if it's really necessary.

B v. S felt a lot more visually and, yes, even narratively epic to me than Apocalypse did.

Fassbender and McAvoy elevated the material and helped to make the film better than it otherwise would have been. But I didn't care for it much.
 
What bothered me about X-Men: Apocalypse was that it seemed so forgettable to me. I remember watching First Class and being very impressed an then seeing DOFP three years later and finding it even more awesome.

Apocalypse was just mehh for me. One of the bigger problems was the main villain himself. That's a legendary character right there and they did not do him justice in my view. As powerful as they made him, I never got a full on sense of menace from him.

I said this in the thread for that movie, but I'll reiterate it. THere are some films in which the sense of urgency is really there because the filmmakers and actors do an excellent job of showcasing the stakes and you really feel as though the world is in grave danger.

Independence Day is a hokey-ass movie but I can emphatically say that's a film involving cataclysmic events that legitimately showcases the threat and really conveys that this is potential end of the world type stuff.

Apocalypse is one of those cataclysmic movies that seems so contained by comparison. That final battle did not feel like a stakes-high situation to me- it seemed like the X-Men vs. Apocalpyse and his minions...

Oscar Isaac is good but he did not have much to work with there and just came across as diull for the most part.

You could excise that entire Stryker scene and lose absolutely nothing except a cool Jackman cameo. I love Jackman as Wolverine, but if the only reason for a 20 minute diversion in the film that does not contribute to the narrative in any meaningful way is to have a badass cameo, I don't know if it's really necessary.

B v. S felt a lot more visually and, yes, even narratively epic to me than Apocalypse did.

Fassbender and McAvoy elevated the material and helped to make the film better than it otherwise would have been. But I didn't care for it much.

Agree with everything you say.

I actually sat there watching X Men Apocalypse and thought, "I wish I'd just gone to see Civil War again instead of this."
 
If I told you I was a huge Cleveland sports fan, but I had no interest in the NBA finals this year, wouldn't you be confused?

Well for me I've stated previously that I am a fan of Marvel Comics, the Comics not the cinematic universe and I've watched every single MCU film released besides Ant man which I fell asleep halfway through.

That's like a dozen films, and I was pumped for the MCU before the movies came out so its not like I haven't given them a chance. So you're Cleveland analogy is incorrect, a more correct analogy would be a fan of Tolkien books not liking LOTR films, therefore said fan would not be that excited for the Hobbit films.
 
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Are the action scenes longer and more violent? The warehouse scene seemed like they just added crappy CG blood.

Spoilers for UC:

The warehouse scene is just like the one I posted here. They just added a few more scenes so it's slightly longer than the theatrical cut. The Doomsday scene shows Doomsday impaling Superman instead of cropping it out of frame. And you see it going through the front and out of his back. They show Superman impaling himself further to reach Doomsday with the spear.

There's more blood here and there in random places. For example in the Africa scene you see blood when people are getting shot. KGBeast burns the bodies with his flamethrower to make it seem like Superman did it and you see the charred corpses. In the first Batman scene you see blood dripping out of that guy's mouth he branded. After the senate explosion you see injured people and dead people in body bags.

This is just off the top of my head. Not saying this is comprehensive. I'm probably forgetting some things.
 
Spoilers for UC:

The warehouse scene is just like the one I posted here. They just added a few more scenes so it's slightly longer than the theatrical cut. The Doomsday scene shows Doomsday impaling Superman instead of cropping it out of frame. And you see it going through the front and out of his back. They show Superman impaling himself further to reach Doomsday with the spear.

There's more blood here and there in random places. For example in the Africa scene you see blood when people are getting shot. KGBeast burns the bodies with his flamethrower to make it seem like Superman did it and you see the charred corpses. In the first Batman scene you see blood dripping out of that guy's mouth he branded. After the senate explosion you see injured people and dead people in body bags.

This is just off the top of my head. Not saying this is comprehensive. I'm probably forgetting some things.
Nice! Thanks for the info. I'll buy the blu ray on release day.
 
Anyone watch the Ultimate Cut yet? Thoughts?

100% a much better movie. To what degree depends on what your problems with the film are. If you're one of those people who hated literally everything about this then it's not going to change your mind.

A lot of things were improved and I was going to write up everything I thought that changed/improved but fuck that just going to attempt make it short and sweet with a few general things. Most of you are going to see it soon anyway.

The things that I walked away thinking were most improved are: Clark, Lex, and the first hour of the movie.

Damnit. As I'm thinking of what I want to say, it's hard to keep this short. Okay so, Clark comes off so much better which adds more weight to his death. You get so much of a better idea of what kind of person he is.

Lex plans are way more clear. Like WAY more clear. You see just how much he is manipulating everything. Things that work in his favor don't seem to be happening coincidentally like they did in the theatrical cut.

In the theatrical cut, I felt like after the Man of Steel flashback the movie comes to a screeching halt. It's just so slow till the end. The pacing for the first hour of the movie is GREATLY improved in the Ultimate Cut. It's seriously like night and day imo. It might be my favorite part of the movie now. That being said the middle hour felt like it dragged, but I don't know if that's because I've already seen the movie 3 times before this and I knew everything that would happen. And then the last hour is just pandemonium, but you've already seen that.

I'm going to watch it in the theater on Monday. Looking forward to seeing it again.


YOu see what John Schnepp said?

"I really liked this version of the movie"

Dude shit on the theatrical release



I'm hype as a mother fucker right now
 
I love the clever way Snyder had Bruce Wayne email that file folder to Wonder Woman with the videos of all the meta humans. You know, it's not like he was trying to set up a sequel or anything. Real fucking subtle.
 
YOu see what John Schnepp said?

"I really liked this version of the movie"

Dude shit on the theatrical release



I'm hype as a mother fucker right now


Yea man I actually came here to post that lol. To me this version is great. There's a lot of things improved but the biggest thing for me is the pacing. The first hour to hour and a half just blows by.

My brother went with me tonight to the 1 night theater event and he never watched the theatrical version because the reviews were so bad and he even commented without me saying anything about how even though it's 3 hrs, it doesn't feel like it's 3 hrs.

Pissed off WB got cold feet and didn't release this in theaters.
 
Update: June 28, 2016

First 10 Minutes of BATMAN V SUPERMAN Ultimate Cut Officially Released


 
Go to see the Ultimate Cut today. I can say that I really enjoyed it. Like a lot. It's definitely like the Directors Cut to Watchmen. It gives a ton of context and answers many plot holes from the theatrical version. My biggest surprise was that the added footage vastly improved the 1st half of the film. It's very much a political thriller in the vein of the Winter Soldier. It actually kind of hurts the 2nd half for me. The switch to balls to the wall action in the 2 nd half becomes jarring. My god does the added footage help the pacing. It's 3 hours, but feels half that. I've never seen an extended cut do that to a movie.

Now if you had major problems with these:
-The Martha scene.
-Doomsday
-Shoehorning the Justice League cameos.
-Jesse Eisenberg's acting
-Death of Superman
-Batman killing criminals
-The Knightmare sequence
-And the Future Flash cameo

Then this cut probably won't change your opinion much. But if your major problems were with the atrocious editing, the slow pacing, and plot holes, then you'll enjoy this cut. It improves all of these problems. I gave the theatrical cut a 6/10. The Ultimate Cut gets an 8/10 from me.
 
I love the clever way Snyder had Bruce Wayne email that file folder to Wonder Woman with the videos of all the meta humans. You know, it's not like he was trying to set up a sequel or anything. Real fucking subtle.

Is storing an important secretive USB driver in a vending machine on a level so much better, or . . . . I cant even remember how most of things were done in the last two Cap movies. They were so pedestrian.

At least in BVS everyone remembers that scene. That is how you set up a sequel, and intro the new characters.
 
Go to see the Ultimate Cut today. I can say that I really enjoyed it. Like a lot. It's definitely like the Directors Cut to Watchmen. It gives a ton of context and answers many plot holes from the theatrical version. My biggest surprise was that the added footage vastly improved the 1st half of the film. It's very much a political thriller in the vein of the Winter Soldier. It actually kind of hurts the 2nd half for me. The switch to balls to the wall action in the 2 nd half becomes jarring. My god does the added footage help the pacing. It's 3 hours, but feels half that. I've never seen an extended cut do that to a movie.

Now if you had major problems with these:
-The Martha scene.
-Doomsday
-Shoehorning the Justice League cameos.
-Jesse Eisenberg's acting
-Death of Superman
-Batman killing criminals
-The Knightmare sequence
-And the Future Flash cameo

Then this cut probably won't change your opinion much. But if your major problems were with the atrocious editing, the slow pacing, and plot holes, then you'll enjoy this cut. It improves all of these problems. I gave the theatrical cut a 6/10. The Ultimate Cut gets an 8/10 from me.

Robert Redford looking like he is still active 60 when he is like 90, big brother in the sky, 3 gunships with a gazillion guns unable to poke out birdboy, and Winter Grunge appearing in the dark in Robert Redford's dining room do not a make a political thriller.
 
Robert Redford looking like he is still active 60 when he is like 90, big brother in the sky, 3 gunships with a gazillion guns unable to poke out birdboy, and Winter Grunge appearing in the dark in Robert Redford's dining room do not a make a political thriller.

Still on your gimmick huh? High five broski.
 
Is storing an important secretive USB driver in a vending machine on a level so much better, or . . . . I cant even remember how most of things were done in the last two Cap movies. They were so pedestrian.

At least in BVS everyone remembers that scene. That is how you set up a sequel, and intro the new characters.

I don't remember what the gimmick was in The Winter Soldier as far as shutting down those flying heli-carriers, but the way BvS handled it was really ham-handed. It's like they're screaming:

"Hey look guys! It's a bunch of file folders with the logos of all the Justice League characters! Let's take a look at the one with Flash's logo on it. Oh, wow! A video shot of a fast guy foiling a convenience store robbery! How about the one with Aquaman's logo? Oh, wow, this underwater Neptune-looking guy!"

It was about as un-subtle as you could get. If they had really done their work with the script, they could have found a more clever way of referencing these characters. A throwaway line on a news broadcast about passengers on a cruise ship having sighted a "merman." Or a sci fi magazine article at a newstand featuring a cover story about some "ghost-like phenomenon" that has prevented small crimes in a certain city.

Just leave that stuff in the background and don't beat it over our heads that you're trying to establish a cinematic universe. We get it. We already know it. You don't need to remind us, DC.
 
This was my biggest takeway from the Extended cut. They absolutely nailed the masterplanning, scheming and complexity of Lex Luthor. If Eisenberg had toned it down or someone more serious had gotten the role, we'd be talking about how Lex was on par with Ledger's Joker. He is the brilliant chessmaster tactician we've seen in the comics. He truly was behind everything that happened in the film.

His motivations are also clearer and more understandable. These 3 quotes he says serve to understand his character.

-"The greatest fear of man is knowledge without power because that is paradoxical."
-"If God is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. And if he's all good, then he can't be all powerful.
-"No God ever came down to help me from daddy's fist."

These 3 fuel everything he does. He believed he had the world figured out. If you had the knowledge, then that is power. With his company, Lex was one of the most powerful figures in the world. Then Superman and the other metahumans appeared, shattering this belief. He realized that knowledge didn't mean power if a being could move mountains or shoot lasers from their eyes. He became angry and confused that he didn't have true power. So he started plotting to get rid of Superman. It's why he needed to get into Zod's ship. The knowledge of thousands of planets and species were too tempting for him. He needs to be the smartest man in the world.

As for his belief in God, he figured out as a child that God either doesn't exist or is unable to save everyone. He wished for God to save him from his father's abuse, but no one saved him. If God won't save him, then he has to be better than God. Again, Superman appears changing everything he thought he knew. Suddenly, "God" has shown himself to earth. The God he prayed to as a kid. He can't accept that Superman/God simply exists. He even says so himself, "I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin. I hate that you simply exist."

He can't believe that a godlike bring has come to earth to save and protect humanity. Answering the wishes of those who need saving. In his mind, no such being ever existed. In his mind, God cannot be a good being if he lets innocents die and evil rule. Or he cannot be truly powerful because of this. He hates Superman because his belief system he created from his childhood was destroyed. That's why he tells Superman, "They have to see what a fraud you really are."

So yeah, that's my theory and analysis on Lex. Sorry for the length. Could go into more, but I'd have to study him more.
 
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