BATMAN V SUPERMAN (Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

[GearSolidMetal]

Public service announcement the Ultimate edition is Available at a Bay that pirates sometimes visit.

Thanks for the heads up.

I watched BvS a few days ago and just now the warehouse scene ultimate edition, didn't notice much difference.

 

[Deleted member 53199]

How is the running time in this ultimate cut?

 

[Deleted member 53199]

In no universe is bvs worse than xmen fake apocalypse. It's not even close and I don't even rank bvs all that high

Subjective opinion, but generally I think it's pretty clear that X-Men: Apocalypse is considered a better movie than BvS.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

How is the running time in this ultimate cut?

It's about 3 hours or so.

 

[Deleted member 53199]

It's about 3 hours or so.

Thanks!

 

[BoxingFan123]

Oh cool an image with no context. I've been reading the comics for 30 years. He doesn't kill people, and it's frequently a plot point. It's a major part of the character. Half of his villains are serial killers that he keeps taking back to prison again. ffs the Joker has killed literally hundreds of people and he refuses to kill him.


Edit: Also, your image links to a discussion about how Batman doesn't kill people, with people arguing it makes the character unrealistic. Maybe read the things you're posting.

Every cinematic adaptation of Batman has killed, Burton's Batman killed, Nolan's Batman killed, maybe Schumacher's Batman didn't I can't really remember. Did you hate Nolan's Batman as well?

 

[shonuf]

I ended up watching this. Everything i hate about Zack Snyder is what i hated about this movie. There was just no way I was going to like it due to his very distinctive director style and take on the film. I hated Superman (i thought this was at least better) As long as he's involved i don't think i'll ever like any of these movies.

 

[Mike]

Every cinematic adaptation of Batman has killed, Burton's Batman killed, Nolan's Batman killed, maybe Schumacher's Batman didn't I can't really remember. Did you hate Nolan's Batman as well?

Right.... I already said the movie versions have killed.but the comic versions didn't. As far as Nolans version goes he didn't blatantly murder people. People died in those movies but it was more collateral damage, it wasn't from batman blatantly murdering them, like the keaton and affleck versions.


I liked nolan and Affleck batman for the most part, but people have a valid complaint about the killing. Anyway the movie didn't suck because of the killing. It sucked because it was dark and gritty batman vs dark and gritty superman.


The characterization of both characters was wrong, the pacing was bad, and the villains sucked.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Every cinematic adaptation of Batman has killed, Burton's Batman killed, Nolan's Batman killed, maybe Schumacher's Batman didn't I can't really remember. Did you hate Nolan's Batman as well?

The entire climax of the first Nolan movie ended with Batman saying he doesn't kill.

 

[BoxingFan123]

The entire climax of the first Nolan movie ended with Batman saying he doesn't kill.

And he kills Talia and the driver at the end of the trilogy.

The only direct kill you can point to of Bats in BvS is the batwing gun sequence, and even that was just explosions didn't show any bodies. Would be akin to Batman blowing up the League of Shadows headquarters in Begins as prisoners are still tied up inside. I've seen complaints about him dragging the car behind his batmobile, a Nolan comparison would be the garbage truck being dragged into the overpass no way anybody survives that in real life. In the warehouse scene he uses gun jamming mechanisms on the henchmen, lays cover fire at their feet, and shoots KGBeast's fuel tank, KGBeast pulls the trigger to ignite himself.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

And he kills Talia and the driver at the end of the film.

The only direct kill you can point to of Bats in BvS is the batwing gun sequence, and even that was just explosions didn't show any bodies. Would be akin to Batman blowing up the League of Shadows headquarters in Begins as prisoners are still tied up inside. I've seen complaints about him dragging the car behind his batmobile, a Nolan comparison would be the garbage truck being dragged into the overpass no way anybody survives that in real life. In the warehouse scene he uses gun jamming mechanisms on the henchmen, lays cover fire at their feet, and shoots KGBeast's fuel tank, KGBeast pulls the trigger to ignite himself.

i had no idea that was KGBeast

 

[Mike]

And he kills Talia and the driver at the end of the trilogy.

The only direct kill you can point to of Bats in BvS is the batwing gun sequence, and even that was just explosions didn't show any bodies. Would be akin to Batman blowing up the League of Shadows headquarters in Begins as prisoners are still tied up inside. I've seen complaints about him dragging the car behind his batmobile, a Nolan comparison would be the garbage truck being dragged into the overpass no way anybody survives that in real life. In the warehouse scene he uses gun jamming mechanisms on the henchmen, lays cover fire at their feet, and shoots KGBeast's fuel tank, KGBeast pulls the trigger to ignite himself.

This is what I'm talking about with the Nolan films. They die during the skirmish but Batman doesn't punch them to death or shoot them. He doesn't directly kill anyone in those movies.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

How is the running time in this ultimate cut?

2 hours 53 minutes, including end credits.

Theatrical version is around 2 hours 20, not including end credits.

So they rounded up slightly when saying it has an extra 30 minutes. No big deal.

 

[BoxingFan123]

This is what I'm talking about with the Nolan films. They die during the skirmish but Batman doesn't punch them to death or shoot them. He doesn't directly kill anyone in those movies.

He directly shoots Talia and her driver in their truck at the end of the trilogy, that is equivalent to the Batwing gun scene. He doesn't shoot anybody in the warehouse rescue, unless you are referring to the Knightmare sequence, which is a flashpoint parallel universe I dont see what you keep harping about.

 

[Mike]

He directly shoots Talia and her driver in their truck at the end of the trilogy, that is equivalent to the Batwing gun scene. He doesn't shoot anybody in the warehouse rescue, unless you are referring to the Knightmare sequence, which is a flashpoint parallel universe I dont see what you keep harping about.

He shoots at her vehicle which does not kill her, and then she veers off the overpass and dies in the car wreck. Can't really say that's the same as murdering her. Anyway I already said people die an most of the Batman films. The argument is over whether the comic version of Batman has a no killing rule, He absolutely does. The Nolan Batman does too for the most part, although people die indirectly in those films he never out and out murders someone

 

[Big Brown Clown]

Anyone watch the Ultimate Cut yet? Thoughts?

100% a much better movie. To what degree depends on what your problems with the film are. If you're one of those people who hated literally everything about this then it's not going to change your mind.

A lot of things were improved and I was going to write up everything I thought that changed/improved but fuck that just going to attempt make it short and sweet with a few general things. Most of you are going to see it soon anyway.

The things that I walked away thinking were most improved are: Clark, Lex, and the first hour of the movie.

Damnit. As I'm thinking of what I want to say, it's hard to keep this short. Okay so, Clark comes off so much better which adds more weight to his death. You get so much of a better idea of what kind of person he is.

Lex plans are way more clear. Like WAY more clear. You see just how much he is manipulating everything. Things that work in his favor don't seem to be happening coincidentally like they did in the theatrical cut.

In the theatrical cut, I felt like after the Man of Steel flashback the movie comes to a screeching halt. It's just so slow till the end. The pacing for the first hour of the movie is GREATLY improved in the Ultimate Cut. It's seriously like night and day imo. It might be my favorite part of the movie now. That being said the middle hour felt like it dragged, but I don't know if that's because I've already seen the movie 3 times before this and I knew everything that would happen. And then the last hour is just pandemonium, but you've already seen that.

I'm going to watch it in the theater on Monday. Looking forward to seeing it again.

 

[RedFoxOne]

He shoots at her vehicle which does not kill her, and then she veers off the overpass and dies in the car wreck. Can't really say that's the same as murdering her. Anyway I already said people die an most of the Batman films. The argument is over whether the comic version of Batman has a no killing rule, He absolutely does. The Nolan Batman does too for the most part, although people die indirectly in those films he never out and out murders someone

 

[Strange King]

Subjective opinion, but generally I think it's pretty clear that X-Men: Apocalypse is considered a better movie than BvS.

You can't have characters that are so shitty and say it's better.

xmen apocalypse is one of the most shitty movies ever made not just comic. Bvs was flat that is all

 

[MMAmathwiz]

The plot of Civil War centers around casualties and repercussions to hero intervention. Iron man is much more serious in this film.

You are doing yourself a disservice by waiting to see it.

Also, I dont see how DCEU is more realistic. Both universes are out there.

Thanks I know the premise of Civil War, maybe I'll take your advice and watch it this week. Good to hear that Iron Man is more serious this time around, I've found him annoying and downright unlikeable in previous films but maybe that is what they were going for. Glad that the Russos are taking over for Whedon for Infinity War.

 

[MMAmathwiz]

And he kills Talia and the driver at the end of the trilogy.

The only direct kill you can point to of Bats in BvS is the batwing gun sequence, and even that was just explosions didn't show any bodies. Would be akin to Batman blowing up the League of Shadows headquarters in Begins as prisoners are still tied up inside. I've seen complaints about him dragging the car behind his batmobile, a Nolan comparison would be the garbage truck being dragged into the overpass no way anybody survives that in real life. In the warehouse scene he uses gun jamming mechanisms on the henchmen, lays cover fire at their feet, and shoots KGBeast's fuel tank, KGBeast pulls the trigger to ignite himself.

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