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Right on Bro... Glad to see you wearing it!!!Thanks again for the sweet av btw sherbud
Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR v.11
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It's funny you say that cause I was actually thinking the same thing about Strange like 30 mins ago while in this thread. When I was a kid I never knew much about Strange but he always sounded like an awesome character there was just nothing around to promote him really. He appeared in Spiderman once and I read a hulk book that he was involved in helping the Hulk get his son back. When I heard they were making a movie I was really glad and the movie was great one of my favorite marvel movies.
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Yeah when I was younger I was really into the mainstream heroes but didn't pay attention to fringe guys like strange. Then one day I read an issue where they combined all the active and reserve avengers to fight some extra dimensional magic guy.
Well like two dozen heroes got curb stomped and then at the end of the issue Dr. strange shows up, pulls some random item out of his bag of holding, and instantly banishes the big bad. I was like
After that I tracked down the graphic novel of his origin story.
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They could have stranded Maw on Earth so he could be in the final battle. And then then NOT WILL SMITH could interrogate Strange on the doughnut.
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Was not expecting that high of a score considering most of your post is made up of complaints! Presumably those are minor gripes and overall you thought it was greatMy collected thoughts on the movie (warning, huge block of text incoming)
1. Story, script and dialogue
First of all, i don't think anyone who did not watch pretty much all of the MCU movies (maybe not Ant Man and Incredible Hulk) would even grasp the level of details needed for following this movie. That said, i like the straight to the point thing. We don't need another intro or flashback, given how Ragnarok ended. IMO, story flows (mostly) naturally, with some minor pacing problems due to the nature of the story (different Earth and space locations) but that is just nitpicking.
Story present a continuation of different movies and while one could (if one tries) find some things to object in relation to the timelines, it's better to just enjoy the movie for what it is.
I felt the movie portrayed the theme, or better said, what i think was the theme, to perfection. To me, the theme was sacrifice. All of the major characters either deal with sacrifices they did (in previous movies) or have to do currently, for themselves or for the greater vision.
Thanos motivation, while a bit confusing (i like the points @Dragonlordxxx (and his clearly bright daughter) mentioned) brought him completely to life. It's not the standard power, money, revenge or chaos things, it's something else. And while not new, or particularly empathizing, it helped to bring the character to life. He's shown compassion, respect, regrets, fear, even a slight of depression, and ultimately that is what makes me, an ordinary movie goer, empathize with him as a character. Brolin's voice was sublime. Just echoing thrgouhout the entire movie, loud and clear through calm and composed sentences.
The dialogue in some cases (such as Thor humorous tone with GotG) felt a bit out of place given the events that unfolded previously were quite dramatic. I'd write that down to the directors trying to brake the tension and going the Disney route of softening the darker scenes with humor. Apart from that, no major quarrels from my side.
2. Character (development) and acting
I felt connected to and understood the actions by all the main characters, especially Thanos (see above).
That said, i kind of missed being deeply affected by the gravity of the situation. It's probably the fact i was pretty sure the finger snap would happen.and the fact that the following movie will probably erase all that in typical comic book fashion
Also, i kindo of got the feeling Iron man did some overacting. Either that or he started incorporating the depression/apathy/hopelesness found in IM3 into later movies.
GotG cast feel out of place. So weird, i love them, and they are among my two favorite MCU movies, but i don't know, I just felt they were out of sync with the rest of the story and found them mostly annoying. Wait. Not all of them. Only Peter and Drax. Quill was just so annoying in the entire movie, even the superb action scenes were not getting him out.
The bickering between Dr Strange and Iron Man seemed a bit forced. Or just how it should be. Not exactly sure. Yes, i know Tony and Burce are BFFs, but when you think of it, Dr Strange and Iron Man are essentially the same guy. Their origin movie is basically the same movie. Obnoxiously cocky, extremely smart guy gets humbled to the ground, learns a valuable lesson from someone older and wiser, turns for the better and saves the day.
The bickering between IM and Peter seemed right. Tony can't stand Peter, who's not as smart, not calculated and strategic, acts out of pure selfishness and emotion. The only thing that didn't seemed right in the movie was that Iron Man seems like the kind of guy that would recognize that Peter was going off the rails and would incapacitate him before he messed up the entire plan of removing the gauntlet.
3. Pacing and tone
Extremely well done. I can see why some people would think the action scenes were needlessly prevalent, but I found them to be extremely well balanced for a movie that has to contain so many action scenes. The opening scene going straight for come heavy moments was right on the button. One immediately gets this sense of impending doom, which flows naturally throughout the rest of the movie.by Hulk getting a can of whoop-ass and Loki strangled to death
The humor was just a tad too much, kind of like Thor Ragnarok, but not in the field of GotG 2 (completely getting us out of the movie experience). The closing shot (not the post credit scene) was perfect. This shot made me appreciate what (directors tried to depict) Thanos did, and his thoughts on the entire event even more.
4. Cinematography, including sound and visuals.
The default benchmark in CGI, IMO. Only on one single ocassion, when Thanos is walking up a set of stairs did i find it to be unnatural.
Action scenes were awesome, but fast paced in a couple of ocassions. The trouble with the night action scenes, one of the biggest faults in BP, continues in this movie, especially in the opening sequence. After the movie, I did feel that them working as a team in fight scenes (e.g. incorporating attacks by Quill with the sorcery of Dr Strange) was a bit too premature since it was their first fight together.
I had no problems with the score, obviously the Avengers theme song played felt appropriate at the time it was played, and the song on the GotG first appearance felt a bit cliche but understandably so. Apart from that, i can't remember a single song, so i guess it was neither here nor there.
The use of the reality gem – classic. This one sets the benchmark for all movies where magic/mystical/supernatural powers occur. Turning to stones and ribbons, not so much, but making bubbles instead of blasts– awesome. I did feel that showing the power of each stone individually (not just reality and time) would maybe showcase the strengths of each individual stone for the people (me included) that forgot them.
5. Random thoughts, rants and opinion
Again we are treated to scenes depicted in the trailers not actually happening in the movie. I hate this. More on that in the spoilers.
I'm still confused as to why i have so much trouble accepting the Cap America character. The only thing that stands out to me is maybe the false moral high ground which just irks me the wrong way. I can't stand him.
Hulk getting beat was brutal. Yeah, Thor fight as seen in Ragnarok, was great, but Thanos is a straight up OG in this fight. Quick, tactical, strategic and brutal AF. It really shows the difference between a trained fighter and a brawler (which is what Hulk is). All the while not using his other powers, but straight up beating Hulk to a pulp in a fist fight. And while I hope there is a fight between Hulk and Thanos when Thanos is not wearing the gauntlet, i realize Thanos is more powerful than most Hulk comic versions and the outcome is not likely to change.
Why did Heimdall transfer Hulk to Earth? Makes no sense whatsoever, except for inducing the plot to end up the way it did.
Loki saying "Odinson" was a good way of Loki accepting/showing him being proud of his adopted heritage, and was a chilling moment (bcs one presumes Loki dies in this one)
Arm hairs raising up was beyond cool, it's one of the things i wished were shown in Homecoming, but not in a cliche, music induced way they did in previous Spider man movies.
Bleeding edge is the best iron man suit yet. It just flows. Somehow, someway, other suits had some clunky feel to them (IMO) and this one is the complete opposite.
Shot of Hulk from the trailers not being included in the movie is a straight dick move. It's not just „oh wait, that shot doesn't appear in the movie“. It changes the entire narrative of the movie. I'm extremely pissed at this. I mean, i didn't even watch the trailer, but certian someone (cough, cough) on sherdog made sure to include it in their gif avatar, making me admire the shot. So thanks for that, i guess
Cap again with the „We don't trade lives“. Oh. My. God. How many times must you prove to us you're not actually a soldier?? Lose a battle to win a fight is not in your soldier-esque vocabulary? Jeez.
Why Wakanda for many beasts/soldiers fight scene? Why not Scotland or New York?
Thor getting the other eye was meh. I liked the Odin callback. It also serves as a reminder that Thor is not all that allpowerful, and can be hurt (like Thanos did). That said, his arrival to Earth is spectacular, with the ultimates armor.
9/10, even for a regular (not superhero/comic book) movie
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9/10 or 10/10 it was really good. i saw the thor on dvd few days ago then watched this at cinema.
i just hope they keep half the universe and superheros dead. would be so lame if it get undone like something just done to make everyone happy. But real life and this universe has death and stuff goes beyond our shallow knowledge or ´happy´ending.
i just hope they keep half the universe and superheros dead. would be so lame if it get undone like something just done to make everyone happy. But real life and this universe has death and stuff goes beyond our shallow knowledge or ´happy´ending.
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that exactly what i thought. and also because i have liked to study religions and human philosphy i actually found Thanos argument to be the exact argument put forth by religions and people for most of humanity. That the bigger picture, ends justify means.
I mean the two most popular religions are filled with genocide and ends justify means and God destroying half of humanity and most people not following him so he gets revenge. Sorry get religious philosophy but at end of day that is just fact. Thanos argument is religious argument and scientific argument while the Avengers argument is emotional appeal against the common religious arguments of the religions most of humanity believe in or against the science.
i dont know nothing about comics but if they got to bring someone back bring him back. He was badass
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Lol I'm sorry, but this is just a silly complaint that has somehow grabbed traction.
How old is Dances with Wolves? Pocahontas? And Fern Gully? And how popular were they actually? Dances with Wolves won an undeserved Oscar like what....30 years ago? It's not a movie that we've all watched a billion times on tv. Pocahontas isn't even considered one of the GOAT Disney movies..and Fern Gully only ever gets brought up to criticize Avatar
Avatar had more than enough going on to be its own thing, not even getting into the technology and the world building which was one of the biggest reasons it was so popular . People seem to forget that that sort of CGI was not there until Avatar. And Avatar's SFX are STILL miles ahead of a lot of other current movies.
Lol nobody says "Logan was just a super hero Western, so cliche", so it is odd that Avatar alone gets this sort pf criticism
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There isn't much consistency to their ethos at all in this flick. One act Gamora is convincing Starlord this is worth sacrificing her/each other for and everyone agrees, then he tries to follow it through on that in the next act, but in the third he he blows the whole plan that's about to save everyone else, the plan he helped come up with, so he can try to give thanos a silly little slap after she was sacrificed, rendering her death pointless? So dumb.
Vision begging the witch to do what needs to be done throughout the flick and her not listening and it fucking everything up. Captain bitching out iron man in one flick saying he wouldn't have what it takes to make the big sacrifices when the time comes and also refusing to sacrifice members of the team to save trillions. I guess I get why they were so obsessed with saving each other but the whole rest of the universe seemed strangely less of an priority at a few points in the flick.
Dr. Strange seemed to be one of the few who got the gravity of the big picture.
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Went and saw it for the second time today. Definitely an easy 10/10. Couple random thoughts I had: The cgi and effects in general are so good, I wonder how many times they've revised and rewritten the set pieces in this movie during the planning process. I'm not a big techie but the effects seem cutting edge to me, doubt the cgi was where it's at now when they planned this out
After the stone is removed from vision he looks a muted grey and black color. Possible foreshadowing of a different look when he returns?
After the stone is removed from vision he looks a muted grey and black color. Possible foreshadowing of a different look when he returns?
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All of your criticisms here can be answered by "they have human emotions" imo. Kinda doubt most people could kill someone they love instantly and without emotion, no matter the stakes. We're not a hive mind.
I was able to watch infinity War about a month that before it was in theaters through lucid dreaming. I am able to go into the future while in a lucid dream.
I watched the fourth avengers movie last night, wow. I am blown away. Whoever thought up the way Ant Man, the Wasp, Captain Marvel and Tony Stark used the quantum realm to their advantage was just epic, and visually stunning. I'm going to say that the 2 movies are about the same score, 9.5- 10, but with the fourth installment leading just because of the end of the movie, especially the Gamora and Nebula part, concerning Thanos. I never thought about the fact that Gamora had bionics, for whatever reason I thought she was all biological. Also didn't know she had 2 livers, and the quick healing ability.
And Captain Marvel, when she did her binary mode thing, wholy SHIT was that badass. Thanos reaction, to see him actually looking scared was really weird.
Anyways, what a badass set of flicks, after reading such a good discussion about Infinity war in this thread, I really wish you guys could see the next one, so I could read your thoughts on it.
Sorry about the spoilers.
I watched the fourth avengers movie last night, wow. I am blown away. Whoever thought up the way Ant Man, the Wasp, Captain Marvel and Tony Stark used the quantum realm to their advantage was just epic, and visually stunning. I'm going to say that the 2 movies are about the same score, 9.5- 10, but with the fourth installment leading just because of the end of the movie, especially the Gamora and Nebula part, concerning Thanos. I never thought about the fact that Gamora had bionics, for whatever reason I thought she was all biological. Also didn't know she had 2 livers, and the quick healing ability.
And Captain Marvel, when she did her binary mode thing, wholy SHIT was that badass. Thanos reaction, to see him actually looking scared was really weird.
Anyways, what a badass set of flicks, after reading such a good discussion about Infinity war in this thread, I really wish you guys could see the next one, so I could read your thoughts on it.
Sorry about the spoilers.
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We don’t have to agree my man. To me it felt derivative and unoriginal. I thought there was very little world building, I didn’t care for the acting. The visuals were pretty cool.
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For sure, brotha.
Didn't mean to come off as some sort of militant supporter of the movie or anything, I liked it, but it's not like i thought it was the best movie ever. but i also think it gets unfairly judged in a way that other movies don't.
but all good.
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You're jumbling together things, simplyfing characters and actions to try and convince yourself that you're right here.
People, characters are not one dimensional. And just because Vision does one thing, doesnt' mean Gamora should do the same just because they're both heroes in the same movie.
Killing Gamora was completely a LAST resort situation. Starlord did not want to do it. He only promised because Gamora made him, and he knew she was serious about it. She knows Thanos, and she tells him that being captured by Thanos would be worse than death. (for the universe)
Look at the situation he was in. He is face to face with Thanos. Thanos literally has Gamora by the neck. He has the space stone, so he can disappear with her to anywhere he wants.
What are his choices? He either lets Thanos take her, or he shoots Gamora, like she asked.
He could not be sure that she was dead, so of course he was going to go look for Thanos and her. At that point, he thinks she still could be alive. Once he realizes that Thanos kills her, he loses his shit.
Just because he accepted that he would kill her if he HAD to, that doesn't mean he accepts some other guy just murdering her. lol i mean, was he supposed to have no feeling about her being murdered? he was just supposed to be like "well, she was going to die anyways" This is a girl that he loves, not a car.
Vision is not begging "the witch". Lol He is pleading with his lover..to KILL him. You say that as if it's an easy ask, and an easy request to complete.
And do you really think Captain was talking about sacrificing PEOPLE for the greater good?
A key thing you seem to forgetting is that they are heroes. A hero is not going to take the easy way out. This is not the Punisher. If they have to sacrifice a life, or kill someone, it would be the absolute last resort.
And when it was the actual last resort, both Starlord and Scarlet Witch did what they were asked to do for the greater good.
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I'm just saying there's no consensus amongst the team on what means are acceptable to stop thanos and pretty much all the conflict and motivation behind their actions is about preserving their relationships. The rest of the universe being at stake is an afterthought to these relationships not ending which felt a bit off. Every other avengers movie leading up to this focused on that so I thought maybe the team would have moved on to bigger stakes than just losing each other.
The Starlord sucker punch was absolutely retarded writing. There's no arguing that. He helped come up with the plan. A one in 14 million shot was seconds from working. Everyone and their cousin, including Starlord, knows a punch from a normal dude is less than a tickle to Thanos. It's literally akin to patting him on the cheek. They went to great lengths to make star lord the biggest idiot in the galaxy and succeeded. He gets most of his team killed. If you want to portray his rage at gamora dying find a less stupid means, it was a terrible way to end that battle scene.
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