Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.9

[horc00]

Is that why Banner couldn’t Hulk out in IW? Too much meditation and stomach breathing?

After all that BJJ training with the legend Rickson, I'm thinking the Hulk is too embarrassed to show himself for not taking the fight with Thanos to the ground.

 

[horc00]

In the office so I'm gonna have to watch that without the sound on. All I get is that glasses and the slouch.

But seriously, Clark Kent has the same facial features as Superman, the same built, he can tweak his fringe as much as he wants but the sideburns and back are exactly the same, lives in the same city, and constantly has the latest news on Superman. Equally fishy is when his wife Lois Lane is always first to report the news on the hero that looks like her husband.

A random stranger that bumped into Clark Kent on the streets might not notice, but no way his colleagues wouldn't see the resemblance.

 

[Goonerview]

Watched it again this evening & Thor bifrosting into Wakanda and wrecking shop gives me chills. Crazy thing he probably has had the most tragic storyline out of all the characters & you can see his no fucks given when he shows up.

Yeah, I get goosebumps just thinking about it. Incredible scene

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I think you have hype(beer) goggles on for this movie a little bit.

And you know what it's fine if you do, I'm just saying it didn't work that great for me, it didn't feel like this big culmination cause the stakes were jimmied from the get go.

So many characters, so little time to work with them it felt disjointed at times and just a huge checklist that had to be filled so everyone gets his share of the pie.

For me a 7 out of 10 is a positive score and the end of it.. I might be biased at times but I do try to keep it real that all failed miserably doesn't hold water to me in the slightest.

You hyped for part 2 ? what do you think happens how do they fix it do you read comics how did they fixed it in there ? Do you think they bring back Gamora ?

Though I won't completely rule out the possibility that I may have some fanboy goggles on, I think I'm a pretty fair minded guy when it comes to movies and such. I'm more than willling to acknowledge and accept criticisms.
I saw the movie 2x now, about a week's time apart, and I didn't give it a score until I watched it the 2nd time because there was so much going on in it I felt I needed to see it a 2nd time to really take it in.
I have also read the comics, so I would actually argue that my 'fanboy goggles' would make me MORE likely to criticize a bad Marvel movie, than to praise one. Back in the days when comic movies were rare, I would have been willing to give them a lot more leeway. But now? No way.

So many characters, yes. But, so many movies. 18 of them. Those 18 movies set up the characters and the story of IW. You're not supposed to look at IW as a separate movie. You couldn't go into IW without seeing the other movies and have the same appreciation and understanding of them as someone that did.
I don't take issue at all with your score, I am just criticizing HOW you got to that score.
I think Infinity War is a very unique movie, because it is literally 10 years in the making. This movie could not have been what it was without the other 18 Marvel movies.

I'm curious, did you watch all of the other Marvel movies? Were you confused about plot points, powers, or characters?
Did you see this as an Avenger movie? Or the way it was intended, a Thanos movie? If you were to look at this thinking that the Avengers are the main leads then that would skew your view, imo. This was Thanos quest, and his movie.

To answer your questions, I am very much hyped for the 2nd movie. And I also have read the comics.
The comic and the movie version of events differ quite a bit on a few things (for the better), so it's hard to predict how they will conclude things in the 2nd movie. There are characters in the comics that were key figures in turning things around, and those characters either arent in the movies, or aren't key figures. For example, there was no sacrifice needed for the Soul stone, so Gamora wasn't as big a part in the comics as she was in the movie.
In the comics, Thanos actually makes half the universe disappear BEFORE any battle happens with the heroes. The remaining heroes go to find Thanos and try and reverse it. They defeat Thanos in a way that just wouldn't work in the movies. Thanos fights a bunch of cosmic entities (characters called 'Eternity', 'Love' 'Hate', etc) and he fights them in a sort of astral form--that's when Nebula (his blue robot daughter) takes the gauntlet off his hand as he's distracted in the astral plane. (something along those lines..i haven't read the comic in a long while)

I don't really know what direction they are going to go in solving this. What I WANT is for Thanos to continue to be a credible character. I don't want him to just be a punching bag bad guy to get beat up in IW 2. I think that he either he should have a hand in reversing what he did himself, or one of the heroes has to sacrifice their life, using the gauntlet somehow to reverse things.
I don't think Gamora comes back in IW. She wasn't just trapped in the stone--she was thrown off a cliff. She was killed, and then her soul went into the stone. So unless they reverse time that far back, I don't see her coming back--but I could be wrong. If/When she comes back, I'd say that would be in the next Guardian of the Galaxy movie.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

This.
It is actually interesting how people are talking about how Ironman or Thor were B-tier characters in comics and how A-tier characters like Batman and Superman are doing poorly in comparison.

The comics don't really matter, most of the people who see the movies have never read them so when you show them a character in a movie, you can make that character A-tier if you have good writing.

Yep. It is all in the writing.
How do you fuck up a movie that is titled Batman vs. Superman? Shit writing.

I was a huge X-men fan--I read their comics as a kid. As far as other characters go, I only really read the big interconnecting, universe events--stuff like Secret Wars, Infinity Wars, or X-men vs The Avengers, stuff like that. So while i was aware of characters like Captain America, Black Panther, Thor, and Antman, i never gave a shit about them. Great writing in the movies has made me see them in a new light.
I actually have gotten back into reading comics, and Cap has grown on me.
Thor is horrible though. The "thou art vile foul villain" shit is just terrible. MCU Thor > Comics Thor...and it's not even close.

 

[One MMA Fan]

I'm curious, did you watch all of the other Marvel movies? Were you confused about plot points, powers, or characters?
Did you see this as an Avenger movie? Or the way it was intended, a Thanos movie? If you were to look at this thinking that the Avengers are the main leads then that would skew your view, imo. This was Thanos quest, and his movie.

Yea I did see every single MCU movie a few times and the ones I really liked a bunch of times and I plan on revisiting them again like just now I was thinking of watching Guardians 1 and 2 again. No confusion with plot or powers or characters come to think of it... okay maybe 1 point no sure whats the deal with Red Skull is his now back ? cause the stone is gone so the heck is he doing there he just goes to earth and is like hi Steve.. it all felt forced "remember that guy".

I saw this like an Avengers movie with Thanos as the main character but I did see it as the Avengers first and most, I just wasn't that invested in it, fun ride but I'm okay at the end I'm not in awe or anything and I'm not down with Spidey's dramatic plea and the ending basically... in fact to me the Gamora moments with Starlord and with Thanos are the highlights of the movie in terms of drama.

It's clear the movie is quality and ambitions but I don't have it as high as some of you this ain't close to a 10/10 no way, when I saw that poll I was amazed by the results, in the end good for everyone that you liked it that much and are looking forward for more. I hope I'll enjoy the next one better.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Yep. It is all in the writing.
How do you fuck up a movie that is titled Batman vs. Superman? Shit writing.

I was a huge X-men fan--I read their comics as a kid. As far as other characters go, I only really read the big interconnecting, universe events--stuff like Secret Wars, Infinity Wars, or X-men vs The Avengers, stuff like that. So while i was aware of characters like Captain America, Black Panther, Thor, and Antman, i never gave a shit about them. Great writing in the movies has made me see them in a new light.
I actually have gotten back into reading comics, and Cap has grown on me.
Thor is horrible though. The "thou art vile foul villain" shit is just terrible. MCU Thor > Comics Thor...and it's not even close.

Again I think that does come back to how Marvel has moved along the idea of a comic adaptation. DC to me is still stuck with the idea that its the existing characters who sell the films, actors and writers are just employed to achieve that. Marvel on the other hand has merged the existing characters with a good deal of new personality provided by the actors/writters.

Ironman for example is as much or more RDJ's standard persona as he is the comic character and that's whats become massively successful.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

nah, i cared about Cap before. We need some more hot colored chicks in the MCU. Lets get more latinas in there. Give Zoe Saldana her own trilogy. Let's get Rosario Dawson in the MCU. Come on
Brie Larson is so basic compared to the likes of Zoe, scarlet joehanson, Cate Blanchette, Tessa Thompson, ect.

If we are gonna have another white chick, she better be thermo nuclear. Brie larson is such a basic b.

Fair enough, but my point was that characters like Cap, Antman, and Thor have never been all that popular until the movies made them that way. So, while I"m not necessarily hyped for Captain Marvel, I won't at all be surprised if I end up loving her.
I am with you on Brie Larson though. I don't have much of an opinion on her, but that in itself is a bit of a problem. She hasn't stood out to me at all as an actress, and now she is supposed to play the most powerful member on the Avengers? She does come off as very basic..especially in comparison to the other females we already have.
I'm a little surprised they didn't go with the new Pakistan version of Ms. Marvel, tbh. There are comics to back it up, and I could think a few capable actresses.
But, we'll see how Brie does. Marvel rarely disappoints.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Again I think that does come back to how Marvel has moved along the idea of a comic adaptation. DC to me is still stuck with the idea that its the existing characters who sell the films, actors and writers are just employed to achieve that. Marvel on the other hand has merged the existing characters with a good deal of new personality provided by the actors/writters.

Ironman for example is as much or more RDJ's standard persona as he is the comic character and that's whats become massively successful.

Yeah, i totally agree with that.
The Marvel characters and the actors are practically one. They invest a lot more in developing the actual character than DC has.
I like Cavill as Superman, but aside from being jacked, what exactly makes him Superman? There hasn't been any real character development there. Their Batman was just Affleck as an asshole. Wonder Woman, despite doing well in the theaters, there wasn't a lot to her character. DC is just coasting on their name recognition.
I have a better idea of who a CGI talking raccoon is as a character in a team movie than I did about DC characters in their own solo movies.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Yea I did see every single MCU movie a few times and the ones I really liked a bunch of times and I plan on revisiting them again like just now I was thinking of watching Guardians 1 and 2 again. No confusion with plot or powers or characters come to think of it... okay maybe 1 point no sure whats the deal with Red Skull is his now back ? cause the stone is gone so the heck is he doing there he just goes to earth and is like hi Steve.. it all felt forced "remember that guy".

I saw this like an Avengers movie with Thanos as the main character but I did see it as the Avengers first and most, I just wasn't that invested in it, fun ride but I'm okay at the end I'm not in awe or anything and I'm not down with Spidey's dramatic plea and the ending basically... in fact to me the Gamora moments with Starlord and with Thanos are the highlights of the movie in terms of drama.

It's clear the movie is quality and ambitions but I don't have it as high as some of you this ain't close to a 10/10 no way, when I saw that poll I was amazed by the results, in the end good for everyone that you liked it that much and are looking forward for more. I hope I'll enjoy the next one better.

Fair enough.
I won't go into a whole rehash of TLJ in here, but I'm curious what you rated that one again? Was it higher or lower than IW?

I will agree with you on your 2nd paragraph. The Spiderman scene wasn't nearly as powerful as the scenes between Gamora and Thanos for me.
I really did feel that despite what Thanos was doing, he did think he was doing the right thing, and that he did love Gamora as a daughter. He just had a very different view of the world and life. They showed that throughout the movie in little gestures such as him giving her food back on his ship, how he talked to her (little one), him trying to make her understand what he's doing...etc..that relationship felt real to me, so when he offed her, that moved me the most in the movie

 

[One MMA Fan]

Fair enough.
I won't go into a whole rehash of TLJ in here, but I'm curious what you rated that one again? Was it higher or lower than IW?

I will agree with you on your 2nd paragraph. The Spiderman scene wasn't nearly as powerful as the scenes between Gamora and Thanos for me.
I really did feel that despite what Thanos was doing, he did think he was doing the right thing, and that he did love Gamora as a daughter. He just had a very different view of the world and life. They showed that throughout the movie in little gestures such as him giving her food back on his ship, how he talked to her (little one), him trying to make her understand what he's doing...etc..that relationship felt real to me, so when he offed her, that moved me the most in the movie

Myself I enjoy the Star Wars universe more then the MCU one for the most part (really love Guardians, some of the Tony appearances, Strange.. the Ancient One) so yea I'm more likely to like Star Wars then other franchises.

Infinity War 6.5 ~ 7.5 depends on how critical and how invested I can be but let's settle in the middle to be fair and with TLJ I did and still do fluctuate on it I saw it many times by now and I'm around 7.5 ~ 8.5 some things and choices do bother me with it but in the end it's a good movie and hyped to see ep 9. I still have yet to get a new Star Wars movie that I absolutely adore and remain in awe completely, still Ep 5 is the best out there.. hope they bring it with 9.

I'm harsh with my scores usually, I judge them heavily especially if they want to be this big thing and spend hundreds of million on them and hype them up to the maximum then alright I'll be stricter then normal too. And lastly for me kinda 5 is a positive score I'll watch plenty of 5 score movies and if it's 6 it's already good the higher it goes the harder it needs to work for points from me.. a perfect 10 it's very hard to get they are special and true masterpieces.

I don't know each has their own system on how they do things, it's all good.

 

[nefti]

Speaking of films I want... I really think a Loki solo film would work great.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Fair enough, but my point was that characters like Cap, Antman, and Thor have never been all that popular until the movies made them that way. So, while I"m not necessarily hyped for Captain Marvel, I won't at all be surprised if I end up loving her.
I am with you on Brie Larson though. I don't have much of an opinion on her, but that in itself is a bit of a problem. She hasn't stood out to me at all as an actress, and now she is supposed to play the most powerful member on the Avengers? She does come off as very basic..especially in comparison to the other females we already have.
I'm a little surprised they didn't go with the new Pakistan version of Ms. Marvel, tbh. There are comics to back it up, and I could think a few capable actresses.
But, we'll see how Brie does. Marvel rarely disappoints.

Somehow I'v managed to see her in very little, the only things that come to mind are Scott Pilgrim and Don Jon. The former of those anyway did show she has the potential to bring a good deal of personality to a role not just get by on looks.

Really though its very hard to tell how that character might work as again the comics aren't an exact guide are they? she's going to very powerful but then again so is the Hulk yet Banner has never been pushed as any kind of leader in the MCU, nore indeed has Thor outside his own films.

They could potentially play her as similar to Thor, more dipping into the Avangers plotline when it hits peaks but not been present between then for whatever reason she hasn't been present thus far. The alternative might be that the Avengers as a whole change a bit with characters like Cap, Stark, Hawk and WIdow either dying, retiring or perhaps becoming more solo film based and its more of a "cosmic" group where everyone has higher level powers.

 

[nefti]

I haven't seen Ant Man. The concept just seems a bit silly, I wish the MCU had stuck to more serious heroes.

Actually ant man was good

 

[Goonerview]

Speaking of films I want... I really think a Loki solo film would work great.

Loki and Han Solo?

That would be crazy

 

[Tiny]

I actually agree with thanos logic so to me, thanos is the good guy here.

Im sure the avengers will topple the good guy in the next movie, erasing his triumph and placing all life back onto the path of future annihilation after starvation and misery.

There reasoning? Because bullshit. Thats why. Doesnt matter if thanos wittnessed first hand the out come of lifes current path and the misery and absolute extinction its on. And because his solution trades lives to save lives, Gamora without any knowledge on the matter or facts, called bullshit on thanos.

So we the viewer are suppose to side with her reasoning?

Because of what, love? Iol?

Fucking libtard logic here

 

[KnightTemplar]

Not even mad. Just full of pity <{cruzshake}>

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Myself I enjoy the Star Wars universe more then the MCU one for the most part (really love Guardians, some of the Tony appearances, Strange.. the Ancient One) so yea I'm more likely to like Star Wars then other franchises.

Infinity War 6.5 ~ 7.5 depends on how critical and how invested I can be but let's settle in the middle to be fair and with TLJ I did and still do fluctuate on it I saw it many times by now and I'm around 7.5 ~ 8.5 some things and choices do bother me with it but in the end it's a good movie and hyped to see ep 9. I still have yet to get a new Star Wars movie that I absolutely adore and remain in awe completely, still Ep 5 is the best out there.. hope they bring it with 9.

I'm harsh with my scores usually, I judge them heavily especially if they want to be this big thing and spend hundreds of million on them and hype them up to the maximum then alright I'll be stricter then normal too. And lastly for me kinda 5 is a positive score I'll watch plenty of 5 score movies and if it's 6 it's already good the higher it goes the harder it needs to work for points from me.. a perfect 10 it's very hard to get they are special and true masterpieces.

I don't know each has their own system on how they do things, it's all good.

I'll agree that people do judge movies on different scales.

But that works both ways. Some people here are surprised by how many people rated this movie a 10, but that isn't all due to fanboyism. Outside factors like contracts, sequels confirmed down the pipeline, and how much money a movie spent don't really factor in to my rating of a movie. If a movie spent $300 million and came out with shit CGI, i may comment on that, but that criticism has to do with a technical bad feature, not about the amount of money spent. I'm only judging the movie on what I see in the theater.

I personally gave this movie a 10. But I'm judging it on different factors than you.
I don't think any movie can truly be flawless. I wouldn't put this movie up for an Oscar despite the score I'm giving it, but I found it perfect for it was trying to be.
But yea, perhaps the Star Wars world is just more your style.

 

[minute bull]

Conversely, I'm surprised by you and Secret Agent's thoughts on this movie considering your opinions and defenses on TLJ.
I don't expect everyone to give the movie a 10 out of 10, and that's not what I'm trying to convince you of here, but your reasoning behind scoring the way that you did had nothing to do with what was actually seen in the movie. Criticizing the movie on what iMDB says about an actor's contract, or what movie a studio has in production should have no bearing on your thoughts of what actually happens in a movie.

I don't see myself giving any "leeway" to this movie. Because I don't think the story of IW was poor. It was a story that was set up over multiple movies and then executed damn near perfectly in IW. It's actually interesting that there are a few parallels between this movie and TLJ, which puzzles me even more that you could have negative thoughts on this one, and maintain positive ones on TLJ.
Both movies are sequels with a large cast on different missions in diffferent parts of the galaxy, they are products of a universe of other movies, and they were both directed by a different director from the previous movie. Putting these movies side by side, I don't see how you can not see how IW hit it out of the park, and TLJ failed miserably.

I didn't give TLJ any leeway because it didn't deserve any. The Russos cooridinated with the directors of the other Marvel movies. They worked together to understand what was the vision for those characters, their personalities, and where they saw them going in the future. They also didn't ignore or try to erase things established in previous movies. Johnson acted as if TFA didn't exist. That resulted in a disjointed story from what we knew of in TFA, and the rest of the SW movies. Uneven tone. Weak characters with unknown, or flimsy motivations...none of that was in IW.