Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.9

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Fuckin' asshole? You're the one who stuck his nose in a response to an idiotic suggestion.

here's what happened:

1. equus suggested that marvel will milk this by making 2 more movies before capping it with the infinity finale.

2. I told him that's no logistically possible. since you insist on more details here is why:
a. old guard actors are not on contract
b. 2nd part of Infinity War is already shot and being finished for a 2019 release date

I said you are being an asshole because you started in saying I can't read properly. Until then I had been very straight up with you & only discussing things in a domestic manner. You drew first blood... & you need to own your actions instead of pushing the blame.

My first response to you was this...

I can appreciate your logic, but why are you dismissing the idea that they can sign a new contract? That seems pretty plausible to me. Especially with all the money that's being made. Marvel is killing it with these heroes. Maybe they feel it's played out, but I don't see a big issue with re-signing them if they want to try & make more.

which I consider to be pretty respectful to you... & I even asked you about why you were dismissing the idea of them signing a new contract. I think that's a legitimate question considering that your point was that their contracts ending was a finite thing. You responded with this

It’s logistically impossible story wise. Do you know the infinity gauntlet, war and crusade stories?

Half of the heroes are already gone and you want Marvel to hold off on finishing infinity war and go to the next infinity stones arc which basically requires all the heroes again. It's not possible and would confuse the shit out of the viewers.. The stones are with thanos right now. How the fuck are they going to run another infinity stone arc with another villain?? So no it doesn’t work.

I responded with this:

Can't say I'm following your logic here.

It's not like farmer Thanos is going to have the infinity glove on while he's planting his tomato plants. He's gonna stash it somewhere. On the real... he should be concerning himself with destroying the stones so that someone can't reverse the snap. Assuming that's not what he does... it's very conceivable to think that someone comes along & distracts or even defeats Thanos &/or finds the Glove... & reverses everything... easy peasy. You really only need the time stone to pull it off. There is no "how the fuck could this happen" as you say... it's very easy to see how the fuck this could happen.

I don't really follow what your saying with "I want marvel to hold off on finishing Infinity war"... perhaps you could expand on your thought there. "I" don't "want" anything. I'm just discussing what I see as the most logical thing to happen. Explain to me how Spiderman's arc will continue if he's vaporized. that's the elephant in the room.

I have not read those comics... nor do I need to in regard to this discussion in light of the fact that MCU does what ever it wants regardless of what the comics say. However, if there's something important to this discussion you'd like to bring up... I'll hear you out.
This response was still very civil. We were just discussing things.

& that's when you started insulting me & saying that I can't read properly.

You don’t follow because u can’t read properly. I want marvel to finish infinity war arc and not hold off and move to another arc.

As for your suggestion of stealing the glove from thanos while he’s farming.. uhh yeah no. U do not understand thanos as a character then. Thanos doesn’t fall for trickery. He’s arguably the most intelligent and willey villain in Marvel. Mephisto was easily fooled by Thanos. So stealing his gauntlet is absolute nonsense.

What you failed to realize in the movie infinity war is that Thanos allowed everything to happen to him. He toyed and fooled with the Avengers practically the entire way.
...and that's when I said you were being an asshole... because we went from discussing something to you insulting me saying I can't read properly when you weren't making any sense to begin with. if your point is that someone's contract being up means they are never coming back... then no... it is possible for them to sign another contract. You are wrong for thinking that is a finite thing.

Never once did I say Thanos "lost" the glove...
3. your suggested scenario of Thanos losing his glove cause he stashed it somewhere and someone else swiped it is so asinine from a storytelling POV. It would enrage and insult fans "WHY DA FUCK DID THANOS LOSE IT SO EASILY!!!". We're not talking DC storytelling retardation here. Kevin Feige, the Russo brothers and everyone involved in building the MCU painstakingly work to ensure the material is respected. No marvel fan would be happy with something as stupid as Thanos losing his infinity gauntlet in this manner...

Whether you agree with the method I described or not. The point is obviously that someone gets it from him. Write that however you want. The main point I was talking about from the beginning is that everyone gets brought back. You can debate the details... but it's really strange that you seem to think that it's impossible for someone to get the glove back from Thanos. Hey, they gave it a hell of a try when he had it on... but now that it's all over, it's not like he's gonna be wearing it all the time. I find it pretty realistic that he stashes it somewhere. None of the details are the important part though. The main point is that everyone's coming back.

You still haven't explained to me how they're going to continue Spiderman's arc if they don't bring everyone back. I've asked you this several times now.
 
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& that's when you started insulting me & saying that I can't read properly.


...and that's when I said you were being an asshole... because we went from discussing something to you insulting me saying I can't read properly when you weren't making any sense to begin with. if your point is that someone's contract being up means they are never coming back... then no... it is possible for them to sign another contract. You are wrong for thinking that is a finite thing.

The funniest part of it is that you have put words into my mouth several times... which would indicate you are the one who can't read properly.

Never once did I say Thanos "lost" the glove... (as you said in the post at the top that I quoted, which was your last response to me) but here you are sure enough calling me out for saying that... lol.

All that said... you still haven't explained to me how they're going to continue Spiderman's arc if they don't bring everyone back. I've asked you this several times now.

The contract issue was a done deal logistically. No contract means they have no plans of shooting another movie. You don't sign and magically a movie appears. you need a script, then sign your actors then shoot. that's a 2-3 year investment. I've already spelled out what needs to happen for that weird scenario. And it just so happens that all those unsigned actors are the surviving avengers in the Infinity War. So you don't re-sign them you don't have a cast for more Avenger movies and need to build again from ground up. So again.. it is IMPOSSIBLE to insert 1-2 movies in between the first Infinity War and the 2nd Infinity War.

Can't say I'm following your logic I'm just discussing what I see as the most logical thing to happen. Explain to me how Spiderman's arc will continue if he's vaporized. that's the elephant in the room.

ok spell it out for me then. what exactly is the most logical thing that is going to happen?

As for Spider-Man. Would you be wildly stunned if I told you that Spider-Man and the others will be revived in the next movie? Cause that is what is going to happen... no ifs or buts...
 
everyone whos a fan of the comics already knows a resurrection is going to happen. theres no elephant in the room.

as far as you 2 picking at each other, stop. i know this is dragons thread but drop the insults or whatever and move on.
 
when has Dr Strange ever met Scarlet Witch in the MCU? or Vision*? he'd only ever interacted with Thor in the MCU before this movie

travelling through time with the time stone has already been shown to be too dangerous, as it creates paradoxes with unknown consequences. Its not as simple as you are making out.
I suppose a convo at some point could solve them never meeting, but to your point they never really had the opportunity to exchange information.

They can destroy any of the stones though. Any one will do. I suppose it could be said that he didn't know they could be destroyed. I'll have to look a little closer at this... but I do understand your point here because nobody knew that Focus' stone could be removed without killing him until they got to Wakanda... & Strange would not of been privy to that information. The real question of this fictional arc is whether or not Strange considered the idea of going back in time to destroy a stone. Hiding them obviously was not an answer.
 
everyone whos a fan of the comics already knows a resurrection is going to happen. theres no elephant in the room.

as far as you 2 picking at each other, stop. i know this is dragons thread but drop the insults or whatever and move on.

its all your fault.. he was defending your sarcastic post and thought it was real...
 
everyone whos a fan of the comics already knows a resurrection is going to happen. theres no elephant in the room.

as far as you 2 picking at each other, stop. i know this is dragons thread but drop the insults or whatever and move on.
Hey! Knock it off!
 
I suppose a convo at some point could solve them never meeting, but to your point they never really had the opportunity to exchange information.

They can destroy any of the stones though. Any one will do. I suppose it could be said that he didn't know they could be destroyed. I'll have to look a little closer at this... but I do understand your point here because nobody knew that Focus' stone could be removed without killing him until they got to Wakanda... & Strange would not of been privy to that information. The real question of this fictional arc is whether or not Strange considered the idea of going back in time to destroy a stone. Hiding them obviously was not an answer.
lol his names Vision, not focus dude lol

at that point I dont think Strange even thought destroying the stones was an option
 
lol his names Vision, not focus dude lol

at that point I dont think Strange even thought destroying the stones was an option

With 14 million and some different timelines that he saw I think Dr Strange must have explored that option and it didn't work. He must have seen himself time travel and create an even bigger mess...
 
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its all your fault.. he was defending your sarcastic post and thought it was real...
lol. well then i have the power to end the argument.

pretend im Thanos right now.
 
lol. well then i have the power to end the argument.

pretend im Thanos right now.
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Pretty much, I don't want to be critical of it specifically as its very well done but I tend to think theres been a bit of a "Game of Thrones effect" in recent years where by you suddenly need to kill characters off permanently to have any drama in genre cinema/tv. Good writing/acting/directing can give drama weight without finality of consequence.

Lord of the Rings for example has a very low bodycount of heroes in only Boromir and Théoden yet manages to carry its share of drama I'd say.
LOTR has far stronger characters and is a much more compelling and complex story. You don't necessarily need characters to die for dramatic effect when the story is that strong. The Marvel films don't have that kind of weight.

I didn't actually think any of the characters were really dying when they dissolved, so it didn't affect me. The only scene that was emotional for me was when Black Panther had them drop the barrier to force a fight. That was one of those cool ass "hold my beer" moments.
 
The contract issue was a done deal logistically. No contract means they have no plans of shooting another movie. You don't sign and magically a movie appears. you need a script, then sign your actors then shoot. that's a 2-3 year investment. I've already spelled out what needs to happen for that weird scenario. And it just so happens that all those unsigned actors are the surviving avengers in the Infinity War. So you don't re-sign them you don't have a cast for more Avenger movies and need to build again from ground up. So again.. it is IMPOSSIBLE to insert 1-2 movies in between the first Infinity War and the 2nd Infinity War.
I don't think anyone was talking about another movie being sandwiched in between Avengers 3 & 4. He was talking about a continuation after 4. I never meant to comment that I agree with him on that one way or the other... but I was saying that if they did that... contractual issues would not make it "impossible" to work out.

That said... your point is that they're not under contract any more... & that would take years to work out... & you find it "unlikely" (not impossible) that they would do that.

Unless you are an insider working for Marvel MCU/Disney... you wouldn't know whether they have a script for more Avengers or whatever. You also wouldn't know that the information about those actor's next contract not being signed yet was a ruse. They release info from behind closed doors as they please... & who's to say they didn't hold back the information about them re-signing in order to create a dramatic effect for the Avengers 3 & 4 movies? It certainly has us discussing the matter... so that's a win for them.

ok spell it out for me then. what exactly is the most logical thing that is going to happen?

As for Spider-Man. Would you be wildly stunned if I told you that Spider-Man and the others will be revived in the next movie? Cause that is what is going to happen... no ifs or buts...
Bro... I've been talking about that from our second post on, that those people would be revived. Why have you been arguing with me about this?

Okay if you don't agree with the method in which I described... but we're arguing about the same out come. I'm saying that Thanos is mission accomplished & so he doesn't wear the glove 24/7 anymore & that makes a nice possibility for someone else to get it from him. I don't find that too outrageous. To your point, it would be much more cinematically pleasing for someone to take it from him while he's wearing it... but I just don't see the reality of that.
 
LOTR has far stronger characters and is a much more compelling and complex story. You don't necessarily need characters to die for dramatic effect when the story is that strong. The Marvel films don't have that kind of weight.

I didn't actually think any of the characters were really dying when they dissolved, so it didn't affect me. The only scene that was emotional for me was when Black Panther had them drop the barrier to force a fight. That was one of those cool ass "hold my beer" moments.

I'm not sure Marvel has come up with a film as consistently strong as any of the LOTR trilogy(although this one isn't isn't far off IMHO as was WInter Solider) but where I do think its clearly strong is when it comes to characters. Its easy to look at the comedy and one liners and write them off as shallow but ultimately I do think they've given them a good deal of depth and indeed made sure that they have a very high quality cast.

The last 5 years or so of Marvel when its really found its feet for me has been based on really making sure that its films are based on the characters above everything. So whilst no I don't think it has a setting that carries the same weight as Middle Earth of the original Starwars films it does have characters who do.
 
LOTR has far stronger characters and is a much more compelling and complex story. You don't necessarily need characters to die for dramatic effect when the story is that strong. The Marvel films don't have that kind of weight.

I didn't actually think any of the characters were really dying when they dissolved, so it didn't affect me. The only scene that was emotional for me was when Black Panther had them drop the barrier to force a fight. That was one of those cool ass "hold my beer" moments.
LOTR's characters are no-where near as compelling. they are pretty generic characters..... and it also has a death for dramatic effect(Gandalf) who then returned later on.

the Marvel franchise shits all over LOTR
 
lol his names Vision, not focus dude lol

at that point I dont think Strange even thought destroying the stones was an option
Oh yeah... whatever his name is... you know who I'm talking about. Sorry, I was in a hurry... & to be honest, that character was never one I "focused" on that much. :p

I see your point though that Strange didn't even know destroying the stones was a possibility. That brings up an interesting realization that there is more than one out of 14 million possibilities in which they win. That's just the only possibility that Strange was aware of. Had he been aware of more information, there were more possibilities.

I mean i get the idea that changing the events of past time have a butterfly effect with every single movement that changes the past. however, when you're talking about killing half the people in the universe... I think I'll deal with the butterflys.

All that said... I really can't deny that Thanos has a point. Overpopulation is a real issue. I gotta think there's a better solution though. Especially with all that power. Hey, get a comittee together of all the best minds in the multi-verse & see if someone can come up with an idea that doesn't include 50% genocide
 
LOTR's characters are no-where near as compelling. they are pretty generic characters..... and it also has a death for dramatic effect(Gandalf) who then returned later on.

the Marvel franchise shits all over LOTR
You've got to fucking kidding me. There's just no way you really believe that. One series is the epitome of high fantasy, has an incredible universe and won multiple Oscar's. The other is popcorn entertainment that's a better version of Transformers.
 
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