Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.9

[Strange King]

Im really looking forward to reading the Cosmic Ghost Rider series..... seeing a mentally unhinged Frank Castle as a ghost rider that was also a herald of Galactus seems utterly bonkers lol

Me too

Im also looking forward to venom #1 written by the guy that just wrote that last Thanos series with the cosmic ghost rider

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Well than, with all due respect you have zero consistency.

I thought maybe you just did not like action adventures movies and maybe you were a RomCom guy or something. Because what we know in 99% of all action adventure movies is there is no real jeopardy for the star character. NONE. He will be injured many times and be in manby death defying fights but ALWAYS survive, 99.9% of the time.

Every complaint you had going into this movie existed and MORE for Lethal Weapon, Arnie Movies, Die Hard, Mission movies and Wick. At least with this movie with so many contracts ending and actors unlikely to return you knew there was a real chance many will die off between these two movies and stay dead.

You're making a flawed point that @One MMA Fan isn't aware of the fact that the hero never dies.

He's been saying the whole time The heroe's fate in this movie being tied to the 50% of the population who die... is the writing flaw that he's pointing out. So if the hero isn't going to die... then nobody dies. So there was no consequence to it all. Not sure why you don't see that.

Now me personally... I step out from that realization... because a movie is supposed to be a fantasy about real life... & in real life, anyone can die. When you start getting into movie templates such as "the hero never dies"... you lose a little something in your viewing experience. It's like the 1 million movies you've all ready seen has ruined the movies you will watch from there forth because you now look through it with the eyes of a critic with a bunch of front loaded stuff you can't get beyond.

My twin "Brother One" as well as the majority of the people who comment in Dragon's movie threads... has that disease. It's only when you can look at the movie as if it's a true possibility of that being a reality that you get the full effect. To step outside of the movie's universe & into the production room as a viewer is a fallacy of movie watching imo. I think all the hypercritics will get a lot more enjoyment from their movie watching experience if they just let all that go & take it in for what it is.

Now you might say I'm contradicting myself by enjoying the movie but yet I understand the whole thing is destined to be reversed. However, I'm not saying that I'm fooling myself. I'm aware that knowing the hero's death in this particular movie, means that everyone survives. I'm saying that I can separate from that for enough time for me to enjoy the story that's being told... because a movie is a representation of a possible alternate but actual event... & in an actual event there are no rules such as "the hero lives." So in that regard... I appreciate the story of Infinity wars.

To be honest I'm not sure why there aren't more speaking out against it.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Me too

Im also looking forward to venom #1 written by the guy that just wrote that last Thanos series with the cosmic ghost rider

oh yeah theres a new venom isnt there? Im a bit behind with venom..... last thing I read about Venom he and the Guardians had just visited the symbiote planet. Need to catch up lol

 

[KnightTemplar]

Now you're comparing GRRM to Tolkien? Dude, you might have the worst opinion on this I've ever seen. Martin doesn't even come close to Tolkien in any way and I'm a big ASOIAF fan. You'd have a really hard time finding even the most avid ASOIAF fan that would agree with you.

The books don't even come close. Tolkien's novels are, to put it bluntly, fucking boring. I read them after I watched the movies, and was massively disappointed. GRRM has his faults as an author, but at least he can write a battle scene.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

it pretty much is..... armies of men vs armies of orcs, the hero saves the day and everyone lives happily ever after

boooooo-ring

Theres no big orc villain though is there? Sauron and the Nazgul are also almost totally impersonal, Saruman is really the only villain who gets much personality and even he's not onscreen that much. The drama of the stories is really buiit on the interaction and development of the "good guys" not on there confronating the bad guys.

GoT by comparison might be mostly a political story(bar the Walkers) but its also I'd say a story that had featured "boo hiss" badguys like Joffery and Ramsey who we just want to see get what they deserve. There depth beyond that as well of course but I think its actually a more "obvious" story at its core.

 

[method115]

You've got to fucking kidding me. There's just no way you really believe that. One series is the epitome of high fantasy, has an incredible universe and won multiple Oscar's. The other is popcorn entertainment that's a better version of Transformers.

I agree with him I love LOTR type fantasy but those movies were fucking boring and I never understood the hype behind them.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

The books don't even come close. Tolkien's novels are, to put it bluntly, fucking boring. I read them after I watched the movies, and was massively disappointed. GRRM has his faults as an author, but at least he can write a battle scene.

Honestly on the page I'd say Tolkien very clearly has an edge, Martin for me is actually quite a pulpy straight forward writer, Tolkien's prose I think is actually very underrated indeed and he builds atmosphere especially far more successfully.

Put me down as someone who thinks GoT is a significant improvement on the books, mostly due to the quality of acting on display.

 

[Bald1]

its a pretty terrible example of high fantasy.... its a vastly overrated franchise imo

So we've had our disagreements in the WR, but I've completely agreed with all your posts MCU related. Up to this one. Apples and oranges my dude. The original LOTR trilogy was pure excellence, the Hobbit ones? Not so much.

Other than that, just assume I "like" all your posts about the MCU.

 

[TrueBias]

By the way, both times i saw this i was the ONLY one that laughed at the Grimmus insult.

Do you guys know the reference?

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Theres no big orc villain though is there? Sauron and the Nazgul are also almost totally impersonal, Saruman is really the only villain who gets much personality and even he's not onscreen that much. The drama of the stories is really buiit on the interaction and development of the "good guys" not on there confronating the bad guys.

GoT by comparison might be mostly a political story(bar the Walkers) but its also I'd say a story that had featured "boo hiss" badguys like Joffery and Ramsey who we just want to see get what they deserve. There depth beyond that as well of course but I think its actually a more "obvious" story at its core.

I think you are just trying to convince yourself dude..... the characters in ASOIAF have far more depth to them, Joffrey and Ramsay are just sociopaths, but the rest(even main protagonists) are morally grey. While all the protagonists of LOTR are heroes that always win. As soon as you know what the plan is "take ring, throw it in mount doom" its a pretty simplistic movie about good guys vs bad guys


booooo-ring

 

[MayhemMonkey]

So we've had our disagreements in the WR, but I've completely agreed with all your posts MCU related. Up to this one. Apples and oranges my dude. The original LOTR trilogy was pure excellence, the Hobbit ones? Not so much.

Other than that, just assume I "like" all your posts about the MCU.

I just thought they were better than they were, used to love them when I was younger..... tried to re-watch them before watching the hobbit(which was dogshit) and was shocked at how terrible they were. They have not aged well imo

 

[El Chimpo]

Fuck lotr

this is an avengers thread sirs




BRING ME THANOS

 

[SaiWa]

The books don't even come close. Tolkien's novels are, to put it bluntly, fucking boring. I read them after I watched the movies, and was massively disappointed. GRRM has his faults as an author, but at least he can write a battle scene.

Robert Jordan's (The Wheel of Time) was way better at writing battle scenes IMMHO...

 

[KnightTemplar]

Robert Jordan's (The Wheel of Time) was way better at writing battle scenes IMMHO...

Have to take your word for that. I've never read it.

 

[minute bull]

Fuck lotr

this is an avengers thread sirs




BRING ME THANOS

 

[El Chimpo]

 

[SaiWa]

Have to take your word for that. I've never read it.

I totally recommend the first 4-5 books of The Wheel of Time series if you enjoy reading fantasy sci fi. The first 50-60 pages of the book are boring as shit but once you hit the first sign of action its a roller coaster ride. Too bad he milked the shit out the series and the quality dropped after the 5-6th book and then died before he finished it. his wife got another author to finish up the series (wasn't bad). But yeah check it out if you like this kind of dorky shit...

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I think you are just trying to convince yourself dude..... the characters in ASOIAF have far more depth to them, Joffrey and Ramsay are just sociopaths, but the rest(even main protagonists) are morally grey. While all the protagonists of LOTR are heroes that always win. As soon as you know what the plan is "take ring, throw it in mount doom" its a pretty simplistic movie about good guys vs bad guys

There are plenty of pretty purely evil characters in Martins story though and a lot of the focus is actually in direct confrontation with them.

At the end of the day really these are simply not stories that actually have very much in common beyond nominally being fantasy. Martins story is much more focused on the details of politics and characterisation, Tolkiens story is more focused on building atmosphere and larger themes but the crux of the story does not come down to simply good beating evil.

To bring things back on topic a bit more I think Marvel does actually tend to have a somewhat similar style to Tolkien in terms of how its treats its moral conflicts. That is the focus is much more on the heroes interacting than it is with the villians, that's why they've often been called out for weak villians, the story simply isn't focused on them(Ego, Killmonger and now Thanos arguably being exceptions).

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Think Avengers 4 will feature Santa Claus?

 

[Bald1]

I just thought they were better than they were, used to love them when I was younger..... tried to re-watch them before watching the hobbit(which was dogshit) and was shocked at how terrible they were. They have not aged well imo

It's all good, we can't all like the same things.

Part of the reason I like the LOTR movies and the MCU both is because I get to see some of my favourite text based stories from way back come to life in a visually stunning manner. Some of the older screen adaptations of both Tolkiens works and Marvel stuff were just pure dog shit.

Ferigno's the man, but there's just no comparison.