Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.10

[Magooglie]

My assumption was that Quill was even more horrified and jarred by the news of Gamora’s death than he would have been because he probably figured when Nebula contacted them that she had a knowledge of where Gamora was or a plan by which to get her back from Thanos. Why would Nebula contact them otherwise? So he fully expected, going in, that Gamora would not only still be alive but they would have the opportunity to save her. Learning that she was dead was too much for him and completely threw him for a loop.

He's allowed to be thrown for a loop, but to blatantly ruin the plan is too much. He could have had his mental breakdown, composed himself, and then called Thanos a guy with balls on his chin that don't work.

Peter #2 should have been saying sorry to Mr. Stark and not Peter #1.

 

[Bumblebeef]

I don't think Captain America is all that rational. I agree that it's consistent, Quill is a dumb dumb dummy. Peter #2.

captain america is a very empathic guy with a big sense for justice, reality and the truth.
with that he is kinda the heart of the avengers while tony stark is the brain.

in the cartoon thanos tried to trick the avengers with the reality stone and captain america was the only one who was able to sense that thanos changed the reality. captain america is kinda the guy against the use of the reality stone.

i hope we will see this stuff in the next movie.

 

[Magooglie]

Tells Vision we don't trade lives. Tries to trade lives.

 

[Magooglie]

captain america is a very empathic guy with a big sense for justice, reality and the truth.
with that he is kinda the heart of the avengers while tony stark is the brain.

in the cartoon thanos tried to trick the avengers with the reality stone and captain america was the only one who sensed that he changed the reality.

I'm not saying he's a bad hero like Peter Quill. He tries to do his best.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

I think you are missing his point though.

He is saying Rocket CAN exhibit the qualities of a good Captain, particularly when it serves him when he is Captain of his own ship. As you say, he can have mature moments. That is what you have been disagreeing with despite the fact that it did seem Rocket was a good and mature Captain of that ship.

I wasnt saying Rocket isnt a good leader..... I was just saying that Quill is the one that HAS taken the lead so far in the key moments.

this was in response to magooglie saying Quill wasnt mature enough to lead...... I was just stating that Rocket is also immature

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Tells Vision we don't trade lives. Tries to trade lives.

he holds the lives of his friends and others above his own.... he's a true hero.

that decision made perfect sense to him

 

[Bumblebeef]

haha russo about hulks role in avengers 3

"I think people have interpreted it as Hulk’s scared. I mean, certainly, that’s not a — I don’t know that the Hulk is ever… he’s had his ass kicked before, and he loves a good fight. But I think that it’s really reflective of the journey from Ragnarok. Is that these two characters are constantly in conflict with each other over control. And I think that if the Hulk were to say why, it’d be [that] Banner only wants Hulk for fighting. I think he’s had enough of saving Banner’s ass.”

 

[Magooglie]

I wasnt saying Rocket isnt a good leader..... I was just saying that Quill is the one that HAS taken the lead so far in the key moments.

this was in response to magooglie saying Quill wasnt mature enough to lead...... I was just stating that Rocket is also immature

I said he needed a maturing moment so when they come back from dustville they can look at him as a person that can lead and not the guy that sent them to dustvill in the first place. Because they currently don't listen to him as exhibited by nobody listening to him on knowhere.

 

[Magooglie]

he holds the lives of his friends and others above his own.... he's a true hero.

that decision made perfect sense to him

He said WE don't trade lives.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

I said he needed a maturing moment so when they come back from dustville they can look at him as a person that can lead and not the guy that sent them to dustvill in the first place. Because they currently don't listen to him as exhibited by nobody listening to him on knowhere.

actually from the vid that was shared earlier in the thread he had his mature moment at the end of Vol 2. I timestamped it. He see's Rocket is sad and tries to reassure him. its only a small moment but you can see his intention.

thats easily as relevant as Rockets conversation with Thor was

 

[MayhemMonkey]

He said WE don't trade lives.

yeah but he will always lay his life on the line to save others..... thats what he does.

he was meaning Visions life, in Cap's mind he is expendable..... everyone else isnt

 

[MayhemMonkey]

haha russo about hulks role in avengers 3

"I think people have interpreted it as Hulk’s scared. I mean, certainly, that’s not a — I don’t know that the Hulk is ever… he’s had his ass kicked before, and he loves a good fight. But I think that it’s really reflective of the journey from Ragnarok. Is that these two characters are constantly in conflict with each other over control. And I think that if the Hulk were to say why, it’d be [that] Banner only wants Hulk for fighting. I think he’s had enough of saving Banner’s ass.”

ha.... thats actually pretty interesting. its certainly better than the Hulk being scared imo

 

[SaiWa]

great movie but i disliked some details.

1. for example black panther doesnt used his charged suit like in the movie.

2. vision kinda sucked overall in fighting. he has the infinity stone in his head and he wasnt still powerful, just got beat up by everyone. that wasnt authentic. marvel made the infinity stone holder very powerfull before.

3. drstrange got outstrucked by a mage which works for thanos but against thanos he makes some very skilled moves.

4. i hope captain marvel isnt more powerful than thor and hulk. i hope she doesnt beat up thanos alone. that would be disappointing.

2. Vision was injured from the very beginning. A sneak attack damaged him pretty badly. They more or less nerfed him knowing he had one of the stones. Cheesy but it makes sense.

4. I am positive it will take everyone to beat him. It always require a heap load of heroes to even draw with Thanos and that’s without the stones!

 

[SmilinDesperado]

yeah but he will always lay his life on the line to save others..... thats what he does.

he was meaning Visions life, in Cap's mind he is expendable..... everyone else isnt

I'd say there's also a pretty distinct difference between a hail mary/impossible odds scenario, and then just straight up sacrificing your life.
Vision's plan was to just die. There was no chance of him coming back or fighting

 

[Bumblebeef]

ha.... thats actually pretty interesting. its certainly better than the Hulk being scared imo

Fully agree

 

[Magooglie]

actually from the vid that was shared earlier in the thread he had his mature moment at the end of Vol 2. I timestamped it. He see's Rocket is sad and tries to reassure him. its only a small moment but you can see his intention.

thats easily as relevant as Rockets conversation with Thor was

Nobody has said Quill's devoid of emotion. Noticeably sad rabbit needed comfort. Rocket is very conscious of the situation with Thor. You were confused about why he would ask about his family. But Rocket remembered it throughout the journey. It's well developed. Rocket went accused of being selfish to being very giving.

Quill was on a trajectory.
Nobody listens to him on Knowhere.
He honors his promise to Gamora and pulls the trigger.
He fights the Titanvengers to a standstill due to his tactical genius.
He comes up with a plan to take out Thanos that works.
He blows it all and becomes Peter #2.

 

[Magooglie]

yeah but he will always lay his life on the line to save others..... thats what he does.

he was meaning Visions life, in Cap's mind he is expendable..... everyone else isnt

If I say WE don't eat peach pits and then I eat peach pits am I rational? I'm not saying Cap is bad, he has his habits.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

He blows it all and becomes Peter #2.

 

[MikeMcMann]

so experiencing grief once means you will never feel that pain again? because? experience?

na sorry dude, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. I dont see how that makes any sense. when he went to shoot Gamora he didnt have to process her death because he didnt actually shoot her..... he was just prepared to shoot her. It was obvious that his intention was always to save Gamora

Not that he needs defending but you are the one struggling to make sense.

I mean it if perfectly ok that you like the way the scene played out. It is also ok if he would have preferred a different reaction. That is jsut preference.

And had the writers taken a slightly different tact and had Quill keep it together as SpiderMan and others got of the glove I cannot see any way fans would be saying 'that made no sense. No way Quill does not lose it and attack Thanos and cost the team their chance' which is what you are saying would make no sense.

Of course it could make sense that he holds it together even if you would prefer it the way it was done.

 

[Magooglie]

If they introduce another Peter to the MCU he's being bumped to Peter #3.