AVENGERS: ENDGAME (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen AVENGERS: ENDGAME, how would you rate it?


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I wonder if James Gunn even knew thor would become part of the GOTG? Or maybe he wont in the next one? Did he know gamorra wouldnt know anything? The next one should be interesting.

One thing I dont get, how is spiderman still in highschool if 5 years went by? Kind of a big plothole which Im assuming is why they said far from home finishes off phase 3 cause it will be before IW.

The people who came back are the same age as when they disappeared. Like Clint's kids are the same age, but Ant-Man's daughter is now a teenager. It's weird because Tony wanted to keep the last 5 years, but he's dead now too. So, yeah.
 
The people who came back are the same age as when they disappeared. Like Clint's kids are the same age, but Ant-Man's daughter is now a teenager. It's weird because Tony wanted to keep the last 5 years, but he's dead now too. So, yeah.
I get they are the same age but no one else is. Unless im confused. Five years has still passed since the snap. He COULD continue to go to high school, but none of his friends would be there. This is more about the timeline in far from home.
 
I wonder if James Gunn even knew thor would become part of the GOTG? Or maybe he wont in the next one? Did he know gamorra wouldnt know anything? The next one should be interesting.

One thing I dont get, how is spiderman still in highschool if 5 years went by? Kind of a big plothole which Im assuming is why they said far from home finishes off phase 3 cause it will be before IW.

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Seriously, trying to understand the logic behind a time travel movie is pointless. When time travel becomes involved, you don't just suspend disbelief. You hang, draw and quarter it:rolleyes:
 
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I get they are the same age but no one else is. He COULD continue to go to high school, but none of his friends would be there. This is more about the timeline in far from home.

Ned was probably dusted and that's why he's still a teenager at the end. MJ was probably dusted too so she can stick around. There's probably going to be a joke in there somewhere with Flash being 21.
 
Blah, It had some good moments, mostly comical ones but in general the second half gets a bit stale, especially once thefighting start. Its generic and stretched out as heck. Loses that Ooomph, the value of it, theres too much of it, like Transformers almost. Also Danvers, or so called fake cap. Marvel. Every time shes on screen one feels like standing up and walking out. I dont know if its her face or the attitude, the mix....Id prefer Jar Jar 100x over in her place even though it would be totally random.
And lol, that speech about Asgard Thor giving Valkyrie with the batman sort of twist of being who hes supposed to be not who he is or whatever. The funny thing is, he presents her this "gift" of being a queen as if its worth anything. Asgard, a majestical palatial city in the clouds and on top of a waterfall with a rainbow bridge where boats fly , is beautiful all the time, no pollution and technology abound. Oh, thats a kewl place to be a queen.
Now, they live in the biggest hole on the planet, only worse would be smack in the middle of the Kalahari. Fishing fish that are disappearing, living in cold, foggy, sh1t weather 11 months out of the year and with zero charm Asgard had. If I was Valkyie Id slap him and tell him to keep it lol.
 
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The best parts of the movie where definitely Hawk Eye, Black Widow, Nebula and Iron Man.

Hawk Eye and Black Widow because they are the only ones without any powers (except Falcon but he is a super minor character so I dont consider him main cast) have become the heart of the team I feel like, and their love for each other has always stood out. Seeing them fight each other tooth and nail to kill themselves to save the other was really moving and displayed how much they truly cared for each other. In all the scenes they were in they basically stole the scenes in my opinion, just superb acting ("Don't give me hope"). I really hope the Black Widow movie will be her + Clint and the infamous "Budapest mission".

Nebula was also great, showing how she grew from only wanting to make Thanos proud into being a person that still deep down loved him but knew what he was doing was wrong and because of that had to fight him. It also was very endearing in the start of the movie when she and Iron Man are on the ship drifting in space when she gets so excited just for playing around with Tony and actually having a positive relationship with someone. Like its something completely new and alien (like in Thor 1 where he doesn't really fit in in the start and is a fish out of water).

RDJ also had superb acting and shone in every scene he was in. It was sad to see him go but it was always the only way it was going to end for him. I am sure they will regret killing him off though, because I think Marvel will nose dive after End Game.

What they did with Thor was really bad and unnecessary considering he has already gone through the "doubting himself/sad" phase in earlier films. I expected that he would grab Stormbreaker when he joined up with the Avengers again and then get back in to normal shape. Instead he was just a punching bag (almost literally) for the entire movie, very underwhelming. It was also a really missed opportunity of Star Lord not making fun of him for being fat (like his crew did with him when they found Thor drifting in space in IW. Drax calling Star Lord a "dude" while Thor was "a MAN").

Professor Hulk in my opinion was a really, really bad choice. The whole appeal of Bruce Banner and the Hulk is their duality of brawn vs brains and their different personalities. Now you basically just got a beefy, green Bruce Banner, completely uninteresting.

Captain America was ok in the movie but imo the only interesting thing with his character in the whole movie was him using Mjolnir. What I dont understand though is why he didnt get powered up/healed like Thor has done when he has been beaten up and then claimed Mjolnir.

Captain Marvel ruined the last fight a bit for me, I feel the things she did (blowing up the ship and stopping Thanos from snapping) shouldve been done by Scarlet Witch because she has seemed to grow in power each movie and also has a personal history with Thanos ("You took EVERTHING FROM ME"). Captain Shoehorn coming to the rescue was a bit insulting to the original cast in my opinion and I can really see how Chris Hemsworth feels like "she stole the torch". She should've just stayed away after she left in the start of the movie.

In regards to the ending I feel it would've made more sense (based on his character) that Captain America would have gone back and stopped both Natasha and Clint from killing themselves and instead sacrificed himself. Then you could have had Hulk look perplexed when he reactivated the time machine, then you'd zoom out and see Natasha standing there instead.

Ant Man had a small (no pun intended) role except for coming up with the plan and the only shrinking/increasing size thing we saw that was interesting in the whole movie was Nebula shrinking Thanos' ship and taking it with her. Which I think was kind of wasted. Paul Rudd is very charming and funny and was a bit underused.

I liked Rocket a lot and Bradley Cooper did very good work with the voice acting.

War Machine was meh like always.

Thanos was great in this movie as well but of course felt a little less intimidating and interesting than he did in IW because we already knew his deal this time around.

The MCU is definitely going woke though and this will be my last Marvel movie for quite some time unless they stick with what got them to the dance (which is not likely from comments by both the Russos and Kevin Feige. As well as some things in this movie).

Overall the movie felt more like a tribute to the franchise than just a standalone movie and tbh it was fitting and so I dont feel like it brings it down if you are a fan of the franchise, being one I give this movie a 8.5/10 (9.5 if CapMarv wasnt in it). I give IW 10/10 and find it the superior movie. If you've only seen this and maybe IW though it would probably be a 6-7/10 movie.
 
Blah, It had some good moments, mostly comical ones but in general the second half gets a bit stale, especially once thefighting start. Its generic and stretched out as heck. Loses that Ooomph, the value of it, theres too much of it, like Transformers almost. Also Danvers, or so called fake cap. Marvel. Every time shes on screen one feels like standing up and walking out. I dont know if its her face or the attitude, the mix....Id prefer Jar Jar 100x over in her place even though it would be totally random.
She is definitely a charisma/life vacuum. Having a slightly more masculine version of Hillary Clinton (even wears a pant suit at the funeral) with super powers be the face of the MCU is never going to be something the general public will get behind. Even in Captain Marvel she was slightly more feminine and people in China still questioned "why a middle aged housewife looking woman should be a super hero". Love the un-PC chinese <3
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In the comic world they comic readers even call her Carl Manvers and she is basically a villain that sets up "space Guantanmo Bay" and kills a bunch of innocent people in Civil War 2 yet still is the "hero" :
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The beginning fight and beating thanos was way too easy. I know he was hurt but it happens too soon in the movie IMO.
 
I wonder if James Gunn even knew thor would become part of the GOTG? Or maybe he wont in the next one? Did he know gamorra wouldnt know anything? The next one should be interesting.

I think Thor makes a lot of sense given that Ragnarok was very much in the style of Guardians and indeed he interacted with them a lot in Infinity War.

Gamora also seems to make sense since it means they can go back to more unresolved romatic tension there, maybe with Peter and Thor as rivals for her affections?
 
She is definitely a charisma/life vacuum. Having a slightly more masculine version of Hillary Clinton (even wears a pant suit at the funeral) with super powers be the face of the MCU is never going to be something the general public will get behind. Even in Captain Marvel she was slightly more feminine and people in China still questioned "why a middle aged housewife looking woman should be a super hero". Love the un-PC chinese <3
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In the comic world they even call her Carl Manvers and she is basically a villain that sets up "space Guantanmo Bay" and kills a bunch of innocent people in Civil War 2 yet still is the "hero" :
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I think Thor makes a lot of sense given that Ragnarok was very much in the style of Guardians and indeed he interacted with them a lot in Infinity War.

Gamora also seems to make sense since it means they can go back to more unresolved romatic tension there, maybe with Peter and Thor as rivals for her affections?
I bet he wont be in it. They'll probably have dropped him off somewhere and hes out trying to "find himself" at the start of GotG 3. Really hope they keep Nebula in the lineup though.
 
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Sooo, anybody was hoping like a wolverine cameo of sorts? lol
 
The best parts of the movie where definitely Hawk Eye, Black Widow, Nebula and Iron Man.

Hawk Eye and Black Widow because they are the only ones without any powers (except Falcon but he is a super minor character so I dont consider him main cast) have become the heart of the team I feel like, and their love for each other has always stood out. Seeing them fight each other tooth and nail to kill themselves to save the other was really moving and displayed how much they truly cared for each other. In all the scenes they were in they basically stole the scenes in my opinion, just superb acting ("Don't give me hope"). I really hope the Black Widow movie will be her + Clint and the infamous "Budapest mission".

I'v said it before but really I think besides Stark and Cap she has really been the character the Avengers plot has focused on most. I mean early on I felt she was pretty standard anti hero type character but the Russo's really shifted the weight of her past away from mere redemption to more of a death wish. Again I think Marvel able to exploit that a lot of its core cast are very strong actors when they need to. I'd agree I hope her spinoff film is the story of Hawk converting her, indeed I think his character now seems a lot more interesting also carrying the weight of his actions.

Nebula was also great, showing how she grew from only wanting to make Thanos proud into being a person that still deep down loved him but knew what he was doing was wrong and because of that had to fight him. It also was very endearing in the start of the movie when she and Iron Man are on the ship drifting in space when she gets so excited just for playing around with Tony and actually having a positive relationship with someone. Like its something completely new and alien (like in Thor 1 where he doesn't really fit in in the start and is a fish out of water).

Yep I'd agree she's very much grown into that role to the degree I think she's now a good deal more interesting as a character than her sister, did a lot of the heavy lifting plot wise and showed a nice comedy side a swell.

RDJ also had superb acting and shone in every scene he was in. It was sad to see him go but it was always the only way it was going to end for him. I am sure they will regret killing him off though, because I think Marvel will nose dive after End Game.

Yeah I'd agree he was really the heart of it and probably the best performance anyone has given in the MCU. That said I felt this seemed like very much the natural ending, Cap I think could have carried on but Stark as a character was I think setup to either die or retire.

What they did with Thor was really bad and unnecessary considering he has already gone through the "doubting himself/sad" phase in earlier films. I expected that he would grab Stormbreaker when he joined up with the Avengers again and then get back in to normal shape. Instead he was just a punching bag (almost literally) for the entire movie, very underwhelming. It was also a really missed opportunity of Star Lord not making fun of him for being fat (like his crew did with him when they found Thor drifting in space in IW. Drax calling Star Lord a "dude" while Thor was "a MAN").

Honestly though I tend to think Thor has had it a bit easy previously, he had his humility checked somewhat previously but the character still remained pretty selfish and self satisfied. I suspect the big decision here was to play to Helmsworths strengths, he doesn't have the dramatic chops of some of the cast mentioned above in Ragnarok showed he could pull off comedy well and he does so most of the time here as well.

Professor Hulk in my opinion was a really, really bad choice. The whole appeal of Bruce Banner and the Hulk is their duality of brawn vs brains and their different personalities. Now you basically just got a beefy, green Bruce Banner, completely uninteresting.

I spose it depends a bit what you mean, yes the characters dramatically less interesting in himself as he doesn't really have the same conflict but honestly as a supporting character I really liked him, introducing the slightly more arrogant edge was fun to watch without making him dislikeable. Although of course I think they have the potential to shift things there and have him revert to Banner/Hulk.

Captain America was ok in the movie but imo the only interesting thing with his character in the whole movie was him using Mjolnir. What I dont understand though is why he didnt get powered up/healed like Thor has done when he has been beaten up and then claimed Mjolnir.

I think compared to Stark and Widow he didn't really have quite the same depth to his story, perhaps because writing him out wasn't planned quite as far in advance? still I think it was pulled off well, a better choice that having him killed IMHO.

Captain Marvel ruined the last fight a bit for me, I feel the things she did (blowing up the ship and stopping Thanos from snapping) shouldve been done by Scarlet Witch because she has seemed to grow in power each movie and also has a personal history with Thanos ("You took EVERTHING FROM ME"). Captain Shoehorn coming to the rescue was a bit insulting to the original cast in my opinion and I can really see how Chris Hemsworth feels like "she stole the torch". She should've just stayed away after she left in the start of the movie.

I was definitely wary about this and personally I suspect the characters presence was on orders from higher up in Marvel/Disney rather than the Russo's choice. It almost seems to be a bit of a running joke in the film that she rushes in to save the day only to fail and the character was really sidelined in terms of any serious drama.

Again I think this film really highlighted that the criticism Marvel has gotten around female characters is rather undeserved, at least since Feige was put in full control. No they hadn't had a female lead film but yes they had a good number of female characters who were actually well written rather than being dull "strong female leads". I mean I think she could potentially be salvaged but if the suits think her current arrogant personal not being called out at all will go down well long term I think there very much mistaken.

In regards to the ending I feel it would've made more sense (based on his character) that Captain America would have gone back and stopped both Natasha and Clint from killing themselves and instead sacrificed himself. Then you could have had Hulk look perplexed when he reactivated the time machine, then you'd zoom out and see Natasha standing there instead.

Honestly I feel the characters endings made sense, his was always whether he would be able to step away and have a normal life, hers was always whether she could redeem herself for her past.

Ant Man had a small (no pun intended) role except for coming up with the plan and the only shrinking/increasing size thing we saw that was interesting in the whole movie was Nebula shrinking Thanos' ship and taking it with her. Which I think was kind of wasted. Paul Rudd is very charming and funny and was a bit underused.

Actually I was supprised how big his role ended up being, especially during the first act of the film.

The MCU is definitely going woke though and this will be my last Marvel movie for quite some time unless they stick with what got them to the dance (which is not likely from comments by both the Russos and Kevin Feige. As well as some things in this movie).

I do think its a risky time for Marvel, if they go with clumsy "woke" politics the way Starwars has they could suffer the same fate a lot of viewers probably feel this film was closure for their previous viewing. As you say above though I think the Black Widow film seems interesting as the character actually has some substance.

The biggest issue Marvel face is IMHO finding someone as good as the Russo's to carry things on, I spose they could be tempted to stay and do more films as really for me they've been the ones who've given the MCU substance and staying power(Gunn definitely helped with the style).

Overall the movie felt more like a tribute to the franchise than just a standalone movie and tbh it was fitting and so I dont feel like it brings it down if you are a fan of the franchise, being one I give this movie a 8.5/10 (9.5 if CapMarv wasnt in it). I give IW 10/10 and find it the superior movie. If you've only seen this and maybe IW though it would probably be a 6-7/10 movie.

Its probably less self contained than IW considering its finishing off core character stories that have been building for years, not as consistent either I would say but dramatically stronger and really the first time for me the MCU has pulled that off on the same kind of level as say Jacksons Lord of the Rings films or the original Starwars.
 
I cannot believe how they did Thanos early in the film? Really ??? head chopped off like a common peasant.
 
I forgot about some of the moments above that were great, a good sign I'll enjoy it even more on rewatch.

I couldn't even cheer when Cap held Mjolnir because I was frozen with delight...everyone else was clapping.

When Thanos got the better of Captain Marvel two times (well, 2nd time he had to use a stone) I accidently slipped out a "phew, hell yeah Thanos!" and it the row in front of me were like "WTF is wrong w/ this guy?" and then when Thanos turned to dust I went "Nooo....Thanos" and again the Thai audience were like "This guy insane?"

Yes it's good they showed how dismal the world was after the snap...reminiscent of Final Fantasy VI after Kefka burns the world on fire. And I had goosebumps at "5 years later" - so glad that rumor turned out to be true.

Tony having a child w/ Pepper was spoiled last year by Paltrow letting it slip in an interview, but I loved Tony making the sacrifice having a family, but giving it up to save the universe. "I am Iron Man" was great. Perfect ending and call back to Iron Man 1.

But my attention is so focused on Cap fighting Thanos. And "Avengers....assemble" makes me glad Whedon held off on it, because it was so satisfying to hear a first time.

I'm gonna go to the theater to see it again...the trio vs. Thanos is something that's gonna warrant rewatch after rewatch like the Strange and Iron Man vs. Thanos fights.

Bro i nearly cried when Thanos turned to dust, my wife said I am insane lol
 
She is definitely a charisma/life vacuum. Having a slightly more masculine version of Hillary Clinton (even wears a pant suit at the funeral) with super powers be the face of the MCU is never going to be something the general public will get behind. Even in Captain Marvel she was slightly more feminine and people in China still questioned "why a middle aged housewife looking woman should be a super hero". Love the un-PC chinese <3
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In the comic world they comic readers even call her Carl Manvers and she is basically a villain that sets up "space Guantanmo Bay" and kills a bunch of innocent people in Civil War 2 yet still is the "hero" :
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I was literally cheering when Thanos fucked up Capt Marvel in the final battle. :D
 
I cannot believe how they did Thanos early in the film? Really ??? head chopped off like a common peasant.
personally i thought it wasn't that bad what they did, like the Avengers were so angry and ready for a battle only to find a Thanos who already got rid of the stones and who just didn't give a fuck anymore. He was once again one step ahead of the avengers and they were stumped not knowing what to do.

And Thanos wasn't even fighting that time. He had a fucked up arm and injured body + no stones so it was understandable he couldn't defend himself. He still was terrifying in the final battle though, wanting to wipe out the entire universe.
 
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