Aug. 29th PPV Jake Paul vs Tyron Woodley Showtime Boxing

[Kungpowking]

Based on the craziness that the scorecards last night, it feels like unless Paul gets KO'd he will always "win".

 

[AddictedToBlueCheese]

Yeah he’s underrated at this point. The guy just outboxed a guy with a lifetime of fight experience including boxing training, a former world champ at that and the fight wasn’t close. Tyron couldn’t do anything to Paul.

 

[Langinbang187]

There's zero reason for JP to fight a real boxer. The skill gap is too big. You don't learn boxing in a couple years unlike MMA. If you step in any boxing gym and look at the kids that were there since they're teens, they're monsters.

How many current high level MMA fighters starred out without any Martial Arts background in their mid 20's and excelled within "A couple years"?

Didnt Woodley ko Lawler and drop wonder boy twice? Two of the best mma ww strikers ever?

He KO'd Lawler with an overhand after feinting a TD. Woodley has never been a good striker but he does have power in his right hand, if he connects he can hurt you.

He's also 40 years old now and his speed is gone.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

He's getting it right now, and then Jake is gonna

no rematch

Lol yeah it was super obvious too. Jake was going on about how his nose and teeth were busted and he needed to take time off to see where he was at in life and reassess and all that and then Tyron comes over and begs for the rematch and Jakes ends up just suddenly doing a 180 as long as Twood gets the tattoo which was already agreed to?

Lol nah TWood you're getting fleeced bro. Jake just wants to make sure you have his name on your body then he's gonna be like "PEACE!" and leave you in the dust, bruh. Lool.

 

[Boxingfan998]

How many current high level MMA fighters starred out without any Martial Arts background in their mid 20's and excelled within "A couple years"?

Tony Ferguson, Francis Ngannou, countless others started in their mid 20s or later.
Conversely, you really cannot get into pro boxing unless you start in your teens and basically grow up in a boxing gym. Obviously the Jake Paul & Conor McGregor type are celebrity boxers which is another topic entirely, they will never ever ever be elite boxers.

 

[MeatWagon06]

He would KO Canelo stiff in 1 round

Lame.

 

[Langinbang187]

Tony Ferguson, Francis Ngannou, countless others started in their mid 20s or later.
Conversely, you really cannot get into pro boxing unless you start in your teens and basically grow up in a boxing gym. Obviously the Jake Paul & Conor McGregor type are celebrity boxers which is another topic entirely, they will never ever ever be elite boxers.

Tony was a HS and Collegiate Wrestler. Francis DID begin training at an older age(22) and is a good example but I doubt he's alone, I know JDS and Werdum started training late as well.

HW MMA is really, really bad as a whole. I can't think of any fighters below LHW who are currently high level MMA fighters.

 

[Badr Hari]

Conversely, you really cannot get into pro boxing unless you start in your teens and basically grow up in a boxing gym.

Marciano and Bhop started late I believe. But I doubt they had no knowledge of the basics in their early 20s. I think you need to learn the fundamentals as a teen definitely. But progress into the more advanced levels is possible (once your muscle memory has the basics ingrained) even at a much older age (late 20s early 30s).

 

[tekkennlee]

Yeah he’s underrated at this point. The guy just outboxed a guy with a lifetime of fight experience including boxing training, a former world champ at that and the fight wasn’t close. Tyron couldn’t do anything to Paul.

MMA fighters are not boxers nor trained in boxing but are strikers and train MMA striking techniques they aaren't kickboxers but train a type of kickboxing technique that fits MMA , they aren't Jujitsu experts but train learning MMA grappling techniques wrestling mixed with submission techniques, unless they have Black Belts in Jujitsu, Brazilian or Japanese or Judo but most are trained in MMA submission techniques, wrestling mixed with submission techniques.


Because learning everything becoming a master Black Belt in everything takes to long, so there's coaches that are experts in MMA fighting techniques striking & grappling they teach limited techniques but when facing actual masters they would probably get beat.

Tryon Woodley isn't a boxer he's a trained MMA striker and a trained armature boxer Jake just beat him in boxing, that's what happened everyone simply thought a trained UFC champion trained in MMA striking techniques could easily beat a trained amateur boxer but they were proven wrong.

Now everyone is scratching their heads trying to understand how this amateur boxer just beat a former UFC champion.

 

[Olenac12]

Was Jake the one who challenged Canelo or was it the other Paul?

I don't know.

 

[GeneTunney7]

Yeah he’s underrated at this point. The guy just outboxed a guy with a lifetime of fight experience including boxing training, a former world champ at that and the fight wasn’t close. Tyron couldn’t do anything to Paul.

Tyron does not have a lifetime of 'fight experience tho'. He was a wrestler, same as Paul, and then he transitioned late in life to doing MMA. MMA striking and Queensbury boxing are totally different - the spacing is different, you can only hit with the front of your fist, the stance is different, you do not use low dipping trunk movement as you will get head kicked, the footwork is totally different, there are no takedowns, no clinch fighting and the ref is constantly intervening. The only thing they have in common is being able to throw a punch and receive one.

Jake Paul schooled specific boxing for 4 years - the equivalent of a college education - where as TWood only started training specific boxing for 3 months. We even saw his MMA muscle memory flaws come into play too, like when he faked a takedown then threw the overhand......in MMA, where you are a afraid of the TD (like Robbie Lawler was), that feint has alot of value, but in just boxing it had no value whatsoever.

Learning a new trade as a young man is harder than learning one as an older man, or unlearning bad habits and relearning new ones.

 

[Roads55]

Most ppl in here are just salty and don't know it. They rag on Paul for not fighting real boxer but he's 4 fights deep into his pro career, there's almost no boxers fighting legit threats at that time. Woodley is probably a higher step up in competition than most guys take at that point in there careers.

 

[cakemuncher]

So, JP has now retired after beating four significantly shorter opponents?

 

[Juub]

In Paul’s defense, the quality of his opponents keeps going up.

1. Youtuber
2. Athlete
3. MMA wrestler
4. MMA wrestler with striking background

Next step should be a bigger mma fighter with primarily a striking background. It’s not reasonable to expect him to fight a legit pro this early. Give him a couple more fights against increasingly better competition until he gets there.

 

[MMALOPEZ]

 

[Juub]

I dunno if it makes sense for him to fight an actual pro with a known record. He's not good enough to ever become a championship level boxer, but his fights have championship level hype. Would that be there if he boxed (and struggled) against the #143th best boxer in the world? Obviously nobody thinks he's championship level, but the draw to his fights isn't in wanting to see legitimate high level athletic competition in the sport of boxing.

Yep. That too. His goal is to make money, not become credible in boxing.