Athletes ages differently

[NoStoneUnturned]

Tony Hawk is still doing his thing at 80

Don't disrepect Mr. Hawk that way my man lol

Fifty at fifty

 

[Natural Order]

Don't disrepect Mr. Hawk that way my man lol

Fifty at fifty

What a legend. Got lucky and got to see him rip live at Millenium park in Calgary back in 2001.

Here's a video of the event



Hawk's part around 6 mins in. Awesome time, awesome skate park!

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Fighter A vs Fighter B has no bearing whatsoever on Fighter C vs Fighter D

Another thing Sherdog seems to struggle with

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

What a legend. Got lucky and got to see him rip live at Millenium park in Calgary back in 2001.

Here's a video of the event



Hawk's part around 6 mins in. Awesome time, awesome skate park!

That's awesome. I saw Hawk and Tony Magnusson on some dinky ramp in PA in roughly summer of 1987 (maybe 88 or 89, long time ago). It is absolutely ridiculous the level at which guys like Hawk, Cab, Mountain, Andy Mac, Staab, McGill, Burnquist, Kasai, etc., etc. are skating at well into their fifties and now sixties (Cab and Mountain). I simply cannot believe what they are still capable of. I stopped at age 35 which was roughly 25 years of skating. I concussed myself severely and couldn't let it go mentally, which is why these dudes are truly crazy. Respect.

 

[Egészségére!]

Depends a lot on style too

Bigger guys who rely heavily on movement tend to have shorter staying power

It’s hard to float like a butterfly after about 35

 

[Trabaho]

Fedor ran into the next gen HWs who were well rounded and 250+ pounds. That´s what happened. But some will say he was out of his prime at 34 exactly when he lost 3 fights.

 

[ninja boot]

Same with Fedor, he was constantly out of shape, even when you train everyday, having 30% body fat is unhealthy and it shows you, that you don't commit yourself 100% to proper regime.

Conflating low body fat percentage with athleticism is a miss.
If you're "constantly out of shape" you aren't fighting for 20 minutes and succeeding against the best fighters in the world.
By that logic Phil Baroni would have been the undisputed champ in his career when in reality he was just the undisputed champ of being committed to eating chicken and broccoli.

 

[humdizzle]

some athletes take care of themselves and some dont. but you are right genetics does play a part, as does getting access to the best medical care (stem cells, etc)

healthy organic unprocessed diet, no alcohol or drugs, water, regular exercise even when out of camp, not overtraining, they look after their own mental health and keep stress to a minimum, plenty of sleep.

Guys like Fury, Pimblett, Ferguson did not follow these.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

That's awesome. I saw Hawk and Tony Magnusson on some dinky ramp in PA in roughly summer of 1987 (maybe 88 or 89, long time ago). It is absolutely ridiculous the level at which guys like Hawk, Cab, Mountain, Andy Mac, Staab, McGill, Burnquist, Kasai, etc., etc. are skating at well into their fifties and now sixties (Cab and Mountain). I simply cannot believe what they are still capable of. I stopped at age 35 which was roughly 25 years of skating. I concussed myself severely and couldn't let it go mentally, which is why these dudes are truly crazy. Respect.

Hell of a chin on these guys by the sound of it

 

[bjjwar]

After seeing discussions about Fury and Fedor, I think people to much look after metric, not after the fighters themselves.

Cristiano Ronaldo in his 40 still is great player. Same as Messi. Ronaldinho by this age is 10 years washed.
Lebron is top NBA player in his 40. Wade, McGrady, Rose woulnd't even make it to the bench in this age.

They way the athletes carry themselves makes enourmous difference in later part of their career.
Tyson Fury was far past his prime fighting with Usyk, even though he is 2 years younger.
I know, i know, I said heresy. How could Usyk didn't beat prime Fury?
I don't know, maybe being 200 LBS overweight alcoholic somehow hinders your boxing abilitties and accelarates your aging?

Same with Fedor, he was constantly out of shape, even when you train everyday, having 30% body fat is unhealthy and it shows you, that you don't commit yourself 100% to proper regime.

What your body allows in you 20's, is something entirely different in your 30's.

Prime isn't some static metric, prime time is different for every fighter.
Generally the more professional and more commited fighter, the longer he can mantain their career

Yeah but Cristiano became a bench warmer in a terrible club.He had to go to a garbage league and even there, hasnt won 1 single title. So everyone is basically done after 36. Even guys like Cristiano who spend their whole life trying to stay as fit as possible.

Ronaldinho could ve easily played till later on or like Cristiano in the Saudi league, but he didnt want to train, he only wanted to party. With injuries your prime can even get shortened out, but around 36 everyone start falling down phisically.

 

[agibmxmma]

Yeah, athletes are people. They age differently.

+1

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Fight miles are real. Saying Fedor aged because he didn't take care of himself and not because he had been in 40 fights by 33 is a pretty dumbfuck assertion.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

After seeing discussions about Fury and Fedor, I think people to much look after metric, not after the fighters themselves.

Cristiano Ronaldo in his 40 still is great player. Same as Messi. Ronaldinho by this age is 10 years washed.
Lebron is top NBA player in his 40. Wade, McGrady, Rose woulnd't even make it to the bench in this age.

They way the athletes carry themselves makes enourmous difference in later part of their career.
Tyson Fury was far past his prime fighting with Usyk, even though he is 2 years younger.
I know, i know, I said heresy. How could Usyk didn't beat prime Fury?
I don't know, maybe being 200 LBS overweight alcoholic somehow hinders your boxing abilitties and accelarates your aging?

Same with Fedor, he was constantly out of shape, even when you train everyday, having 30% body fat is unhealthy and it shows you, that you don't commit yourself 100% to proper regime.

What your body allows in you 20's, is something entirely different in your 30's.

Prime isn't some static metric, prime time is different for every fighter.
Generally the more professional and more commited fighter, the longer he can mantain their career

I agree -- the prime age for each fighter is different. Look at Joe Stevenson -- he was worn out before age 30 and retired with many fights after taking a lot of damage. Then you have guys like Couture that fought in their prime in their 40s. I reckon that the prime age has more to do with when a fighter starts than anything.

 

[JBJ was here]

Different athletic skills age differently, essentially regardless of who the athlete is. Strength ages really well; anything that abuses joints, such as explosiveness or carrying extra weight, ages really poorly (hence why abusing HGH, which, unlike steroids, increases muscle mass without significantly increasing strength unless you're starting from a serious HGH deficiency, is more likely to be detrimental to performance than to be a performance enhancer). Flexibility and speed can age well but are subject to trouble from injuries, and injury recovery ages incredibly poorly, both in terms of recovery from major injuries and recovery from the day-to-day abuses inherent in being a high level athlete.

Obviously there is a fair bit of just plain differential aging among athletes, but most of the differences we see are differences in skill sets and injury history.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

TS is generally correct, but less so about combat sports.

Lifestyle, discipline, avoidance of major injuries, genetics and a little luck, all determine an athlete’s longevity, which therefore is absolutely not a set range.

Whilst physiologically there is an inevitable slow decline from the late 20s onwards, with all the above factors optimized an athlete can arrive at 40 still in excellent competitive condition.

Combat sports however are on the low-longevity end of the scale, because the very nature of the sport is to inflict damage and thus it’s basically impossible to approach 40 without substantial accumulation of wear and tear.

Still, exceptions are always present, and as the approaches to training / recovery / career pacing are also rapidly evolving, it’s becoming more common to see MMA athletes still performing at their highest level in mid-late 30s.

Good God such a better take than OP.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Fedor had like 28 fights by the time Pride fell. on top of that he was competing in championship level sambo. In between all those matches things can change for a fighter.

Just look at Jon Jones at the end of his LHW career. He was starting to barely edge out decisions. Jon was in his early thirties for those fights. That definitely wasn't the Jon Jones who fought for the belt and I don't expect him to be.

Cain lost the belt to Werdum at the ripe age of 33. Plagued by injury throughout his career. Those injuries caused him a lot of inactivity. If you ask me, he probably wasn't at his best against Werdum .

Eventually everyone loses the longer they are in the game.

 

[HNIC215]

Spoiler

Low key feel like this is a subliminal to DC

 

[volcom5]

Fight miles are real. Saying Fedor aged because he didn't take care of himself and not because he had been in 40 fights by 33 is a pretty dumbfuck assertion.

You mean 30 fights, Fedor fans do this constantly, Fedor is the only GOAT candidate that his fans are creating lies and always the ever changing narrative of his career. GSP, Aldo, Jones, Anderson fans rarely ever do this. It’s very telling.

 

[wolffanghameha]

Yeh for sure they do. Same for other aspects of aging.

I imagine a lot is doen to lifestyle too, similar to formerly fit 25yos who are dogshit cuz of lifestyle and mindset, but with lifestyle being a smaller percentage of the difference for the older guys because some biological changes do probably occur eben if they stay active, like we see runners dropping off with age (but still being fast and athletic, just not as much). If it's wesr and tear of joints that's different, but it's still not fully genetic. Max Holloway said he just does lots of joint stability and injury prevention stuff, and we see he's still going good after a long adult mma career. Otherwise a lot of guys tell themselves or believe others saying they can't do it, so they stop trying. When the hard moments come, they give in more often and age. Or they have kids or start drinking, smoking, getting fat between camp, not moving as much. "Oh I'm too told for this", "oh you're too old for this" and they listen. Of course they'll go down. Ronaldo and Ibra didn't stay close to elite at 40 because of genetic advantages over other top players. The guys did extra work as they got older, outside of team training sessions. Ronaldo invites his teammate friends to his house and wants to race them in the pool for fun and they're like nope I'll get old by doing "mature" stuff like playing cards instead thanks (they didn't actually say that, I'm talking shit).