When will there be an mma fighter like Usyk?

Actually, MMA had one before boxing did — you might just be too young to remember. His name was Fedor Emelianenko. A very undersized heavyweight who didn’t just win — he beat opponents in their strongest areas. Granted, the “hostile backyard” thing doesn’t quite fit since most of it happened on neutral ground in Japan, but still, his run was legendary.


As for the “advanced age” thing — Usyk’s best wins are against guys close to him in age. That’s not the same as beating prime, younger killers. By the way I'm not saying Usyk is a bum. He is an extremely talented in amongst the best the sport has to offer at the moment but what I said is the truth.


And about the Floyd Mayweather comparison… sorry, but this is MMA. You don’t get to pad your record with a dozen cans before facing real competition. MMA fighters are matched with opponents at their level almost every time out. That’s why guys like GSP were so special — he consistently fought the best in the world, no soft touches. Not saying Floyd wasn’t talented, but 90% of his career was spent against overmatched opponents.


That’s the biggest difference between MMA and boxing — and I’d argue it’s even bigger than the difference in rules or ways to lose.

I'm in my 40s. I watched fedor, he ain't usyk or Floyd

Floyd has around 30 top wins. Even more. He has countless top 5 wins, never mind top 10. So I'm not sure what you are getting at about padding record. He only did that for the first year or 2 to get the rounds in as a young pro and had many easy fights often in the first couple of years. He became the. Best super feather at 21 and was still schooling guys like canelo when 36. What was fedor doing at 36?

You can make a point, but sitting over a guy as accomplished as Floyd will backfire.

Also what do you mean 90% of his career was against overmatched opponents? Floyd was fighting top guys regularly from 98 until he retired.
 
I'm in my 40s. I watched fedor, he ain't usyk or Floyd

Floyd has around 30 top wins. Even more. He has countless top 5 wins, never mind top 10. So I'm not sure what you are getting at about padding record. He only did that for the first year or 2 to get the rounds in as a young pro and had many easy fights often in the first couple of years. He became the. Best super feather at 21 and was still schooling guys like canelo when 36. What was fedor doing at 36?

You can make a point, but sitting over a guy as accomplished as Floyd will backfire.

Also what do you mean 90% of his career was against overmatched opponents? Floyd was fighting top guys regularly from 98 until he retired.

To be fair anyone fighting Floyd was overmatched, I'm 43 and he's the best boxer I've seen. Would rather watch Roy Jones or GGG but Floyd was untouchable in his prime pretty much, Maidana did well in the first one and Mosley chinned him but that was about it.
 
MMAs ruleset is much more volatile and unpredictable than boxings, which makes it harder to stay undefeated. Way more random shit you can get caught with out of nowhere and no count to give you a chance to recover from it.
 
If Usyk trained in MMA when he was young and got to be an MMA fighter. He wouldn't be an undefeated fighter if he had 40 fights. MMA much more dangerous in terms of the many ways you can lose from all kinds of submissions to get possibly knockout from their fists, elbow, legs, knees. Too many more variables to consider in MMA.
 
Btw the idea that MMA is too young of a sport to have a fighter like Usyk is false imo. The sport of MMA has sped up way faster and evolved a lot quicker than boxing has in 120 years of boxing. Just because of technology how people train nowadays. The diet, the supplements you can name it. MMA evolved a lot closer to boxing is today.
 
I also think there already has been fighters like Usyk in MMA. Fedor, Jon Jones, GSP, Anderson Silva all exceptional athletes in a sport that has many variables that can cause you to lose.
 
To be fair anyone fighting Floyd was overmatched, I'm 43 and he's the best boxer I've seen. Would rather watch Roy Jones or GGG but Floyd was untouchable in his prime pretty much, Maidana did well in the first one and Mosley chinned him but that was about it.

Yep, not Floyd's fault he was the best on paper. He was gifted. Although I think Floyd is a better technical fighter than Roy, rjj in his prime was a phenom
 
Yep so many ways to lose in MMA, that's why a 20-0 MMA fighter is incredibly rare, not so much for boxing.
I actually blame this on boxers padding their record and not facing threatening competition until after being 20-0 etc. Not often a boxer fights for world titles like Usyk or Lomachenko unless they have the amateur pedigree they come with. On the flip side, there are many 10-0, 14-0 etc MMA fighters, and that's because they follow the same padding blueprint as boxing, the only difference, the road to the top in MMA is a lot shorter than that of boxing. That's my theory anyway. Many ways to lose doesn't have much to do with it IMO as so many fighters pick and chose favorable match ups until they're in the big leagues, this is even more so evident in boxing big leagues. And the majority of these 'Undefeated' fighters, have a robbery or two on their record because of politics, these undefeated guys are generally popular, get hometown/favoritism with match ups and decisions and are smart enough to avoid match ups that aren't in their favor until they've 'Made it to the big leagues', once they're making bank, the 0 on the record isn't as bad as it was on the way up.

I say this because I have seen coaches protect their own fighters for long term interest and I've seen coaches throw their fighters in the deep end because they believe in them, I've seen the risk pay off, stars born and I've seen the ugly side where some people get pushed too early or aren't strategic with their career and match making (the guys with the, I'll fight anyone, anywhere attitude and accompanied by a coach with an ego to match) I've seen them crumble.

A good coach will take calculated risks but would never chuck their guy in with a fella that is way more experienced. Now for the Coach on that other side, the coach with the more experienced guy, the one from the fancier gym, with all the ties in the sport, they usually have the favoritism, edge in experience against their competition and they're strategically taking these fights that favor their athlete because ultimately it's better guidance, approach and generally a more established gym. Doesn't mean they always win, but those that side and come up through their systems generally have a better chance. At the high level, this translates because, the amount of fighters that have missed out making it to that level or been used as a stepping stone for the 'undefeated guys' almost always comes down to a combination of poor coaching and the clear favoritism politics that begin at the grassroot level and transcend all the way to the grand stage.
 
Stipe comes to mind. No his record isnt unblemished, but he's like Usyk. Survives through toughness and determination and a hard straight. Also adapts on the fly(see fights with DC).
 
I'm not saying this to troll or start an mma v boxing debate. But is it only a matter of time until we get a guy who fights with the stack against him often and keeps winning, despite being near 40. Usyk's only weakness is realitve inactivity, but covid and Fury messing him around has done him no favours

Jones is seen by many as the mma goat, but at a similar age he is afraid to lose his zero. I'm a big jon fan, but it's the truth. If boxing had the equivalent of aspinall, not only would usyk fight him, but he would fight him in his own city and beat him

Can't compare gsp or fedor to usyk either. Usyk is 38 and has never been stopped in over 300 amateur fights that I'm aware (dropped to the body) or as a pro.

Will we ever get a fighter like this? Or because of the mix of styles, is it too much to expect such dominance. Especially as an older fighter
Rickson Gracie is still 400-0. All wins by RNC.
 
you can't really compare because size matters A LOT more in MMA than in boxing. the other thing is Usyk does have a weakness, he's small. it's working out for him right now, but being small in a sport where reach matters is going to be detrimental always. i'm not saying small guys can't win, obviously Usyk is the best example, but having to tread through the danger zone in every fight multiple times just to get your shit in is a game you'll eventually lose if you play long enough.
 
Another factor is if the ufc brass likes a fighter and if their manager is a solid negotiator then that fighter will get favorable match ups.

The guys taking the toughest matches and short notice fights are bound to lose at some point.
 
Usyk bless.
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