Aspinall being a huge favorite vs Jones is absolutely insane to me

[SuperAlly]

Guys, I get it.

Aspinall is young, bigger, stronger, faster. I get it. But I have never seen in my 37 years of life with 15 of them being in Thailand seeing fighters come and go day after day after day someone like Jon Jones.

Jon Jones fight IQ is something different. I always thought hes gonna have an easy night against Ngannou (Francis have absolutely nothing for Jones beside power). I think Aspinall speed might give him some problem but I gotta go with Jones.

The reality is many people have a hard time to separate the guy as a human being from the athlete. Jones is a terrible human being we can all agree. But can we also agree that he would be the first one we run to to teach our childrens MMA?

The guy is a monster. I dont care about the outside noise -- Jones is that guy. And if you think Aspinall will just go out there and knock him out then be it. Yall never learn.

Given your takes on fighting you are only in Thailand to bang the ladyboys and not spending any time at the Muay Thai gyms

 

[CPH]

Not sure if you felt the need to sound smart about Seanchai or anything but im in CNX. Been based and been here.

Ive been here since 2010 and you should know since you seems to be obsessed with Saenchai record (btw theres at least 10 better fighters than him legacy wise but thx to wkipedia I guess).

Saenchai is a master at kicking. The guy is a beast. But once again I hate getting into debate with people like you because you bring things you see from wikipedia while im really living it here.

Come to Thailand. Let me know when u here. Until then please lol.

So that's your argument? 'I live there'?

If every time someone leans on facts to make a point and you cry about it because they also happen to be on Wikipedia, it makes me wonder why you are on a fight discussion forum.

Saenchai, even just in his stadium career, has shown a truly impressive fight IQ across several weight classes, against a higher caliber of opponents, for a longer time and in much less controlled circumstances. He is a LOT more than a "master at kicking".

Btw, who are these 10 nakmuays with better legacies? And of course, I don't mean golden era or anything pre-Jones, since you made the comparison to Jones, specifically. Go ahead, you are allowed to use Wikipedia.

 

[SuperAlly]

Just say you dont like Jones. No need to write a paragraph.

Terrible bias toward Aspinall in your whole text. Thats ok. You see I absolutely dont take guys like you opinion seriously because yall so emotionally invested. Yall dont even know what yall talk about and yall twist words to fit your narratiive.

Youre picking out 2 fights out of his 20+ professional careers fights to try to make him look bad. Lets talk about the Shogun fight, Lets talk about the Machida fight, Lets talk about the Cormier fight, etc..

Yall guys never talk about that because yall werent around and have no clue.

Dude if they do fight, I want to bet some money with you. Put your money and Aspinall and lets see what happen.

“yall so emotionally invested”

 

[mangokush]

Jones is the biggest fraud in UFC HW history

Had his gimmie fights against Ngannou's leftovers with no ground game Gane & Stipe coming off a KO loss now he is wanting to he stripped of the belt to avoid Tom

This honestly should have been the press conference after the farce against Stipe

 

[clackers]

His legacy is set... at LHW.
At HW there'll be a few sets of parentheses.


And? Jones could have returned for 2022, rather than conveniently waiting for Ngannou's contract to expire at New Years 2023.



Yup, boxing is full of ducks.
Apparently its culturally acceptable within that sport.
MMA is a different sport, and we don't respect ducks.


Lets be honest here.
The money for Jones between Pereira or Aspinall is marginal. Jones is going to be making huge money either way with only a few bucks difference.


Imagine respecting a HW champion after vacating the belt to avoid fighting the HW interim champion, to fight the champion of a smaller weightclass.

I respect you Jones fans for not bothering to deny he'd be ducking Aspinall.
I just don't respect that you respect it.

You forgot to mention that Pereira is also
a two division Champion on a great run right now. Former World Champion Kickboxer also
with massive names on his list of wins. Also
Beaten many former champions.

The Pereira fight would sell better, he’s a bigger name has done a lot more in the UFC than Tom.

Jones has clearly said he likes Pereira and would rather do business with him meaning if he’s going to fight someone and give them a massive payday he’d rather it be Pereira.

End of the day Jon will fight whoever he wants to as long as it makes sense to him and his team money wise.

This is Business and he wants to make sure he makes the most amount of money. If the $$$$ are right he might consider fighting Tom.

If the UFC doesn’t want to pay him
What he wants for the fight blame them.

Jon has nothing else to prove he’s the GOAT.
Only two others that comes close are Anderson Silva and GSP at this stage.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You forgot to mention that Pereira is also
a two division Champion on a great run right now. Former World Champion Kickboxer also
with massive names on his list of wins. Also
Beaten many former champions.

Jones just fought a kickboxer at HW with no groundgame 18 months ago.

End of the day Jon will fight whoever he wants to as long as it makes sense to him and his team money wise.

This is Business and he wants to make sure he makes the most amount of money. If the $$$$ are right he might consider fighting Tom.

If the UFC doesn’t want to pay him
What he wants for the fight blame them.

Jon has nothing else to prove he’s the GOAT.
Only two others that comes close are Anderson Silva and GSP at this stage.

A.Silva & GSP never ducked anybody.
Jones has ducked Ngannou & currently ducking Aspinall.
In boxing that may be viewed as 'smart.'
But in MMA, we don't play that shit.
Its cowardism.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Jones is an exceptional fighter and should aways be taken seriously. But if anything, last night confirmed my thoughts. Jones wants none of Tom and for a reason. The only thing that bothers me is that the whole division was put on hold for this joke of a fight. Jones should have relinquished the belt right after beating Gane and gone for a “fun” or “legacy” match against Stipe. I would have had 0 problems with that.

 

[jooohnmatrix]

Not a fan of jones but i would rather his chances against Tom than Alex. Genuinely think he’s doing a Jedi mind trick with negotiation tactics.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Fight will never happen, Jones will handpick Poatan, a kickboxer with bare grappling if he ever fights again.

 

[lerobshow]

Jones just fought a kickboxer at HW with no groundgame 18 months ago.



A.Silva & GSP never ducked anybody.
Jones has ducked Ngannou & currently ducking Aspinall.
In boxing that may be viewed as 'smart.'
But in MMA, we don't play that shit.
Its cowardism.

Huge GSP fan here but lets be honest -- he seemed real hesitant to go up when Silva was the champion lol. He didnt give it a second thought when it was Bisping though... just saying and once again GSP is in my top 3.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Huge GSP fan here but lets be honest -- he seemed real hesitant to go up when Silva was the champion lol. He didnt give it a second thought when it was Bisping though... just saying and once again GSP is in my top 3.

I agree, GSP was real hesitant to go up when Silva was champ, but that's not ducking. Champions are obligated to fight the most qualified challenges within their weightclasses. Champions are not obligated to fight other champions.
Credit to those who go up or down to challenge themselves to become a double-champ, but it sure isn't ducking if they don't.

I take GSP for his word when he says he had full intentions to win and defend the MW belt when he signed the contract against Bisping.
And I take him for his word that he had health and training complications during camp, but still went through with the fight, and dropped the belt only a few weeks later rather than hold onto it for a year while getting money from endorcements.

When I say GSP is the #1 P4P GOAT I don't give any weight toward that MW title fight. It was nice to see them both fight after being in the UFC for 10 years at that point, but it didn't add much to either of their legacies.

 

[lerobshow]

I agree, GSP was real hesitant to go up when Silva was champ, but that's not ducking. Champions are obligated to fight the most qualified challenges within their weightclasses. Champions are not obligated to fight other champions.
Credit to those who love up or down to challenge themselves to become a double-champ, but it sure isn't ducking if they don't.

I take GSP for his word when he says he had full intentions to win and defend the MW belt when he signed the contract against Bisping.
And I take him for his word that he had health and training complications during camp, but still went through with the fight, and dropped the belt only a few weeks later rather than hold onto it for a year while getting money from endorcements.

When I say GSP is the #1 P4P GOAT I don't give any weight toward that MW title fight. It was nice to see them both fight after being in the UFC for 10 years at that point, but it didn't add much to either of their legacies.

I agree. Im not saying he was ducking btw but it just felt as if it wasnt the wisest business move for him to move up to challenge Silva.

And GSP was very methodical just like Jones is. They both watched plenty of footage, cut and gain weight the right way and theyre just not the kind of fighter that you could bully or push into a fight. It always had to be on their term.

I am mad biased when it comes to GSP because I actually grew up a couple of streets from him and I kinda understand how he grew up. And when I put Jones as the GOAT it honestly pains me inside a little bit because I want to say GSP so bad but Jones legacy beside the steroids (they all were doing steroids at that time anyway, you cant tell me with a straight face that Belfort was clean when he fought Jones ).

Jones is really that good. And I think if we can put aside our feelings toward him as a human being (I think we all feel the same when it come to Jones in that department) when we can separate the guy from the athlete-fighter whatever... man Jones is special.

And some people (sorry if thats your case) that think Islam is #1 P4P LOL.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I agree. Im not saying he was ducking btw but it just felt as if it wasnt the wisest business move for him to move up to challenge Silva.

And looking at the numerous champions who loved up to fight the heavier champ... and failed... it seems like a smart decision.

Look at Volk fighting Islam twice.
Look at Israel up 20 pounds to fight for the LHW champ and was completely oversized.
Sure McGregor moved up, but that was because he was killing himself to get to 145, and he's won exactly one fight at 155 pounds, in 13 seconds, and lost the rest.

And GSP was very methodical just like Jones is. They both watched plenty of footage, cut and gain weight the right way and theyre just not the kind of fighter that you could bully or push into a fight. It always had to be on their term.

They're two different 'methodicals.'
Every fighter should be methodical, its an admirable trait in gameplanning.

I bet after GSP was having troubles in training camp he was regretting signing the contract, but he didn't pull out of the fight. He went through with the fight, and honorably dropped the belt.

I am mad biased when it comes to GSP because I actually grew up a couple of streets from him and I kinda understand how he grew up. And when I put Jones as the GOAT it honestly pains me inside a little bit because I want to say GSP so bad but Jones legacy beside the steroids (they all were doing steroids at that time anyway, you cant tell me with a straight face that Belfort was clean when he fought Jones ).

I only give the fighters shit for steroids that popped for steroids.
And yes, Jones has popped for PEDs while GSP has never.
Belfort was on TRT when it was allowed by the NSC, and he's not on anyone's P4P list anyway.

By the way, I give A.Silva a break on his PEDs because he was recovering from the worst leg injury imaginable.

Jones is really that good. And I think if we can put aside our feelings toward him as a human being (I think we all feel the same when it come to Jones in that department) when we can separate the guy from the athlete-fighter whatever... man Jones is special.

I agree, Jones is special.
But his current special status doesn't absolve him of criticism for picking his opponents... which happen to be the least threatening to him at HW.

And some people (sorry if thats your case) that think Islam is #1 P4P LOL.

For current fighters, he absolutely is higher on the P4P active fighters list, when taking into account multiple factors like activity over the last 5 years taking on all challengers.

 

[Epsteins Guard]

Whatev



Yall hate when the truth is being spoken huh. Resorting to <<your mama, suck cock>> kinda words.

Low levels braindead stupid individuals. Keep crying. Hopefully its not a papa joke coming up next.

No idea who both of yall are but yall both sound fucking miserable and goddamn its a good thing that were not around each others. Yall literally sound like chicks complaining.

... he says, with no irony, as he defends another man's honor on the interwebz.

 

[lerobshow]

And looking at the numerous champions who loved up to fight the heavier champ... and failed... it seems like a smart decision.

Look at Volk fighting Islam twice.
Look at Israel up 20 pounds to fight for the LHW champ and was completely oversized.
Sure McGregor moved up, but that was because he was killing himself to get to 145, and he's won exactly one fight at 155 pounds, in 13 seconds, and lost the rest.


They're two different 'methodicals.'
Every fighter should be methodical, its an admirable trait in gameplanning.

I bet after GSP was having troubles in training camp he was regretting signing the contract, but he didn't pull out of the fight. He went through with the fight, and honorably dropped the belt.


I only give the fighters shit for steroids that popped for steroids.
And yes, Jones has popped for PEDs while GSP has never.
Belfort was on TRT when it was allowed by the NSC, and he's not on anyone's P4P list anyway.

By the way, I give A.Silva a break on his PEDs because he was recovering from the worst leg injury imaginable.


I agree, Jones is special.
But his current special status doesn't absolve him of criticism for picking his opponents... which happen to be the least threatening to him at HW.

For current fighters, he absolutely is higher on the P4P active fighters list, when taking into account multiple factors like activity over the last 5 years taking on all challengers.

If we're talking about P4P (which everyone has a different interpretation of), to me, it's all about comparing the skillsets of two active fighters as if they were the same height, weight, etc. And when it comes to that, there's no one better than Jones.

But again this is a subjective topic and everyone have a different interpretation of what P4P is (and thats ok).

You can't tell me that Islam is a more skilled fighter than Jones. Despite the huge improvement in his striking (Islam is actually a really good striker—something I think people fail to realize), he's just not anywhere near Jones' level.

I'm trying to think of a champion right now, across any organization, who is close to Jones, and I can't come up with one. Topuria is on his way, though, and I really believe this kid will do great things.

A fight I would love to see is Islam vs. Topuria. That would be a dope fight because, despite the size difference, I 100% believe that Topuria would present problems for Islam.

 

[CombatCyborg]

He's a slight favourite. It makes sense, he's KO-ing people like Ngannou was but he's younger, has better footwork and movement, and has a ground game. Just looking at him he's the most talented HW in decades.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Jones nearly lost to Reyes and an injured Santos, and might've lost to Gus too. He's not this mythical fighter people make him out to be.

He's human and all it takes is that one special fighter to put an end to him.

Enter Tom Aspinall.

Reyes 48-47 and anyone thinking different can go fuck themselves.

He did beat Gus and the santos fight was super close.

 

[cburm]

Guys, I get it.

Aspinall is young, bigger, stronger, faster. I get it. But I have never seen in my 37 years of life with 15 of them being in Thailand seeing fighters come and go day after day after day someone like Jon Jones.

Jon Jones fight IQ is something different. I always thought hes gonna have an easy night against Ngannou (Francis have absolutely nothing for Jones beside power). I think Aspinall speed might give him some problem but I gotta go with Jones.

The reality is many people have a hard time to separate the guy as a human being from the athlete. Jones is a terrible human being we can all agree. But can we also agree that he would be the first one we run to to teach our childrens MMA?

The guy is a monster. I dont care about the outside noise -- Jones is that guy. And if you think Aspinall will just go out there and knock him out then be it. Yall never learn.

Yeah same I can see Francis getting a win with his striking and oddly amazing tdd and range control..

I don't see any way Tom can beat Jon Jones.. Tom is credited with great grappling and BJJ yet it's untested at this level and at the amateur level he's Ben submitted.

Jon's a d1 wrestler who's great everywhere and smarter than a tablet.

I think this is a dumb fight for Tom he could of had the hw division and reigned for a while beating the 4 defence record.. and being argued as one of the best hws by the crazy delusional fans..

Without Jon or Stipe his only threat is cyril and that fight maybe 60/40 in chance in ganes favor and he can still fuck him.
But Aspinal could a Ben the hw face of the ufc.. now he will lose to the guy he was crying about and the 2 best hws will retire and leave him in a bum division.. and people won't really care about the division anymore.

 

[marvinparsons]

Jon is amazing, but cherry picked fights against Gane/Stipe are fairly meaningless.

Wouldn't fight Ngannou, won't fight Aspinall. Until he does I don't much care.

 

[lerobshow]

Jon is amazing, but cherry picked fights against Gane/Stipe are fairly meaningless.

Wouldn't fight Ngannou, won't fight Aspinall. Until he does I don't much care.

How is it cherry picking?

Gane, despite his loss to Francis, was at the top of the division when Francis left. And Stipe was the HW goat (I think people overly exagerate that btw as if it was so much more significant than it really is).

Who you want him to fight at HW? Tuivasa? Lewis?

HW division has always been a very very thin division in term of talent. Probably one of the worst in MMA.