Aspinall being a huge favorite vs Jones is absolutely insane to me

JKS said:
You gotta let go of this idea that somehow the main reason why fans are picking Jon to lose is because they dont like him personally, just let go of it because fans are way beyond that now. No one cares that Jon juiced or beat someones favorite fighter 12 years ago.

You attacked a guy on a post claiming he doesn't like Jon and he's emotionally invested when all he said is Jon looked slow and bad and he hasn't looked great in a few years. Which is completely true.

Take it from me who has no favoritism or dislike towards Jon. He looked bad on Saturday, slow, precision was off, he was getting tagged by a walking corpse. He clearly looked old and well beyond his best years. Tom will come in and finish Jon inside two rounds. Jon is just too old now and been too inactive to compete with a guy like Tom.

And this is coming from someone who wanted Jon to beat Stipe and to beat Tom. I like legacy fighters.
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I thought he looked good, technically speaking. Just a bit slower.

Jones tends to fight to the level of his opponent and dance on the fine line of what he can get away with.

He will naturally look slower because he's mirroring his opponent, which in this case was Stipe.

His whole thing is adapting to each individual opponent and their style in the moment. Against a fast opponent like aspinall, we'd see a different Jones. Likely infinitely more cautious and utilizing all his weapons and versatilities, rather than just playing and knowing he could barely be touched, as we seen against Stipe.

I believe Jones could stand with him and do well, his distance management, defense and kicking repertoire allows him to hang with anyone, but he will likely do so after tiring him out with wrestling. Similar to the adjustment we seen from GSP against Serra.

People have far too much confidence in Aspinall. Someone who himself admitted DC would be a nightmare matchup for him and hasn't been tested past the first round.

Take him down, get him tired, drag him Into deep waters, then let's see how fast or how much power he has.

If this were just a striking match, perhaps I would agree with you.
 
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icemun said:
Jones Santos wasnt competitive.

Jones didnt even bother to take him down and ended his career.

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>claims fight wasn't competitive
>posts extremely competitive stats as evidence

Never change, 2020s Shernoobs.

You can say Jon won that fight much easier than saying he wasn't gifted a decision against Reyes, but saying the Santos fight wasn't competitive is straight up dishonest or just cements that you never watched it.
 
snugglecakes said:
what is this "jon's fight IQ" myth even from? It doesn't take much brains to load up on picos and just poke from downtown at bloated middleweights with a light year reach disadvantage
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Might require you to enter a gym for the first time in your life to know what fight iq even looks like
 
marvinparsons said:
Gane was highly touted, but among all tilte contenders he was picked by the UFC as the best matchup for Jon. That's cherry picking.

Miocic was a great HW. Emphasis on was. Same as Mike Tyson was a great boxer.

Jones should fight Aspinall, Pavlovich, Blaydes, Ngannou (Jones waited for him to leave).

Or he could fight some other all time great HWs to cement his legacy. Maybe Randy Couture or Mark Coleman are available?
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He wasn't picked by the UFC.

Jones was already scheduled to fight for the HW title a month before ngannou officially didn't sign.

Ngannou was offered the Jones fight for 8 million. If he'd taken it, that's the fight which would've happened.

He didn't, so they went with Gane.

Jones was talking about fighting the belt next during all of November and December. At the same time, Dana during several press conferences said Jones is fighting for the belt next.
 
WoozyFailGuy said:
>claims fight wasn't competitive
>posts extremely competitive stats as evidence

Never change, 2020s Shernoobs.

You can say Jon won that fight much easier than saying he wasn't gifted a decision against Reyes, but saying the Santos fight wasn't competitive is straight up dishonest or just cements that you never watched it.
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Jones fights are a lesson in psychology

I believe he's had motivation issues his entire career. Very rarely does he actually show up at his best.

On several occasions he's partied leading up to fights, barely trained and still won.

It's almost like BJ Penn. Immense talent and because of it, he can get away with more.

When you don't have that healthy fear of your opponents, it's also that much harder to perform at your best. You need those butterflies.

That's why the best we've seen of Jones was his fight against DC, which is one of the few fights he had tap Into his entire potential to win.

When you watch him fight Reyes, Smith, Santos, even OSP and others, it's a version of Jones that is just going through the motions.

That's largely why he moved to HW I feel, he needed to rekindle the fire and feel the butterflies again and it's also why he(along with countless older fighters) are more selective with their fights.

All that being said, analyzing the worst version of Jones is only going to show so much. How good he is, is extremely variable.
 
AstralPanda said:
Might require you to enter a gym for the first time in your life to know what fight iq even looks like
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you need to get back into the gym asap if you can't spot a low fight IQ when somebody is literally self inflicting damage by headbutting the cop car in a fight against the police. That's 2 illegal moves in one. I'm surprised he didn't 12 to 6 elbow the other cops cars back when 12 to 6 was still an illegal move.
 
AstralPanda said:
I thought he looked good, technically speaking. Just a bit slower.

Jones tends to fight to the level of his opponent and dance on the fine line of what he can get away with.

He will naturally look slower because he's mirroring his opponent, which in this case was Stipe.

His whole thing is adapting to each individual opponent and their style in the moment. Against a fast opponent like aspinall, we'd see a different Jones. Likely infinitely more cautious and utilizing all his weapons and versatilities, rather than just playing and knowing he could barely be touched, as we seen against Stipe.

I believe Jones could stand with him and do well, his distance management, defense and kicking repertoire allows him to hang with anyone, but he will likely do so after tiring him out with wrestling. Similar to the adjustment we seen from GSP against Serra.

People have far too much confidence in Aspinall. Someone who himself admitted DC would be a nightmare matchup for him and hasn't been tested past the first round.

Take him down, get him tired, drag him Into deep waters, then let's see how fast or how much power he has.

If this were just a striking match, perhaps I would agree with you.
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Good luck being a bit slower against Tom
 
WoozyFailGuy said:
>claims fight wasn't competitive
>posts extremely competitive stats as evidence

Never change, 2020s Shernoobs.

You can say Jon won that fight much easier than saying he wasn't gifted a decision against Reyes, but saying the Santos fight wasn't competitive is straight up dishonest or just cements that you never watched it.
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26% accuracy...

competitive.


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AstralPanda said:
He wasn't picked by the UFC.

Jones was already scheduled to fight for the HW title a month before ngannou officially didn't sign.

Ngannou was offered the Jones fight for 8 million. If he'd taken it, that's the fight which would've happened.

He didn't, so they went with Gane.

Jones was talking about fighting the belt next during all of November and December. At the same time, Dana during several press conferences said Jones is fighting for the belt next.
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LOL, I love how the critics make Gane out to be some handpicked opponent that was a some set up for Jones. After Francis Ngannou, Gane was the next best HW for several years. He was active, had a great record of 8-1 and beat several ranked opponents. The UFC went with the best HW that was available for the title.

It just rattles my brain that to this day how you still get the "Jon only moved up when Francis left" BS. There has been so much in the media that clearly shows otherwise. And yet these dummies just cant come to terms with it.
 
Jones made a career as the bigger guy so it’s only natural he’s afraid of bigger guys like Ngannou, Aspinall etc.
 
NextGen said:
Jones nearly lost to Reyes and an injured Santos, and might've lost to Gus too. He's not this mythical fighter people make him out to be.

He's human and all it takes is that one special fighter to put an end to him.

Enter Tom Aspinall.
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I don’t think Tom is that special, it’s just a very shallow division and he doesn’t have Ngannou to contend with.
 
Jones is +107 against Aspinall. Aspinall is a -128. Funny part is Gane opened up at -166 against Jones, closed at +155. We'll see what the odds really get closer to the fight.
 
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