Opinion As a westerner, would you be pro-migrants or be anti-migrants, what are you ? [2025-Edition]

[Ara tech]

Rapes, and rapes, and rapes. No death sentence for rapist is really a mistake.




Migrants and rapes in Sweden, Study

They don't even report them in the left brainwashed media.

According to Islam, Rape punishment is death sentence. Make the world a favor, and judge them based on their own religion.

It's a social disaster. Some people would say why care about it ?

Tourism is going down, and thus the economy if a neighbor is not safe. Insecurity is bad for the economy. Who wants to live in a neighbor where your wife, daughter, mother, could be molested or raped ? Insecurity can also lower down the price of real estate.

Many migrants raped women in Sweden and Germany. How many of them executed ? Jailed ? Passivity from law enforcement, and the left is even defending them. Defending the same person who would rape your wife or daughter if late at night, I think they better find better people worth to defend.

 

[Croo67]

This seems like a lot of nonsense. Firstly, we didn’t have immigration laws like we do today until the 1920s. All sorts of undocumented people came here before that.

A lot of our railroads were built in the 1800s by Asian immigrants, largely Chinese, for example. In what way is that a “compatible culture,” and actually what does that even mean? It’s not a European culture, it’s not even a western culture.

The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was passed because of all of the same shitty, racist sentiments we hear today: those immigrants were accused of being immoral, taking jobs and undercutting wages—in fact they were called “coolie labor,” basically meaning slave labor, the same dumb accusation the Right makes today about Latino immigrants.

Today’s anti-immigrant sentiment is largely the same ol shit we’ve heard for ages.

Compatible doesn’t mean similar.

 

[avenue94]

No, you stupid twat.

I'm against people who just arrive giving birth to five kids back to back which will keep them home not working and they will also receive a monthly child allowance for every single child for the coming 16 years (In my country).

My whole point was to make sure people can speak the damn language and support themselves financially before they burden the system with a bunch of kids.

Right...and you want to control the birth rates of specifically one aspect of the population in order to shape demographics to your liking. So eugenics, draconian, a police state, all apt descriptions of what you propose.

Best Liberal American comment on Europe I’ve ever seen on here.

Yet you can't answer the question. So please tell me how the immigrants of the 1800s were more similar to natives than those of the 1900s or present.

 

[Cole train]

Anti since unemployment is at 10 percent and rising where im at, no steady employment for locals nor immigrants.

Plus certain nationaloties are heavily represented in sexual crime stats

 

[panamaican]

It's 2025, I'm pro legal migrants. It's fascinating that the OP starts with a false premise, more cons than pros.

Migrants add to the economic benefit of the nation. Additionally, they commit crimes at lower rates than native born Americans.

So, economic benefit and less crime. The only real argument against them is for those who enter illegally.

 

[usernamee]

Right...and you want to control the birth rates of specifically one aspect of the population in order to shape demographics to your liking. So eugenics, draconian, a police state, all apt descriptions of what you propose.

"Right...*and I'm going to ignore what you wrote and just continue believing something I made up in my own head*"

Clearly either a moron or a troll so you're hopping on my ignore list from now on.

 

[avenue94]

"Right...*and I'm going to ignore what you wrote and just continue believing something I made up in my own head*"

Clearly either a moron or a troll so you're hopping on my ignore list from now on.

Sure buddy, be sure to check under your bed for these hordes of immigrants popping out 5 babies to stay on the dole.

 

[Lycandroid]

Same BS people complained about with Irish, Italian, and German immigrants in the late 18 and early 1900s.

no they didn't they all assimilated like we should expect them to

Pro migrant, for one simple reason: there was a single nation in the 19th and 20th century that was pro migrate and they out competed everyone in nearly every category you can measure.

Why change that?

and how many of those immigrants were given an income on taxpayer dime higher than the native born citizens ? fucking ZERO

Muslims from Indonesia, Malaysia, Kazaksthan, Russia, do not create problems in Western countries. But muslims from northern Africa and Middle East are often trouble makers. It's more a problem of education you know.

The average Muslim will try to promote his religion, even if he do not benefit from it, and even if he is not even himself a preacher of it, Islam limits itself to fasting and eating halal food, instead of praying. It's all political bullshit.

Religions always were a tool for power, the crusades aim was to control silkroads like trade routes.

When you promote religion in the public sphere, and if you have diversity in your population, it will never work well and things will never run smooth. Better keep religions for the private life of people.

If you have a population of 49% Christian and 51% Muslim, saying yes to one would mean saying no to the others, and thus lead to a civil war. It is not about defending Islam or defending Christianity, or whatever religion, it is about winning something out of citizens in your country for a better future.

You cannot handle Islam, because simply Islam is not a person, but you certainly can handle muslims. In fact, most muslims would have been executed by their lifestyles according to Islam, rape/molesting = death sentence, the same afgan paki muslim who rapes and molest swedish women in sweden will tell you that he wants an islamic state in Sweden,

But buddy, you would have been beheaded for rape if they were a real islamic state in Sweden.

It just doesn't make sense. Singapore with it's harsher laws could handle migrations well, better than Swedish humanism who does not seem to work with non civilized people.

When then come from a country where the only way to deal with them and prevent them from raping is to kill rapists. When you move them to a country where that is no longer the case and they know they will actually get a light sentence, you are basically giving them a free pass and telling the world to come here and rape our women, which many of these men do.

It's 2025, I'm pro legal migrants. It's fascinating that the OP starts with a false premise, more cons than pros.

Migrants add to the economic benefit of the nation. Additionally, they commit crimes at lower rates than native born Americans.

So, economic benefit and less crime. The only real argument against them is for those who enter illegally.

You are american, you are not part of this conversation. For the most part you guys get the good immigrants compared to the rest of the west. You don't have a mass muslim migration epidemic nor do you have a rape gang crisis nor do you have governments doing everything they can to cover it up but when they are caught they are given far lighter sentence then any citizen would get.

There absolutely is more cons when it comes to mass unvetted immigration which is what we are dealing with. We are not talking about immigration systems that actually benefit the country anymore, that time has come and gone 10-15 years ago depending on which country you are referring to.

 

[BFoe]

Compatible doesn’t mean similar.

And this is why I said

In what way is that a “compatible culture,” and actually what does that even mean?

 

[avenue94]

no they didn't they all assimilated like we should expect them to

How did they assimilate in ways that modern immigrants do not? Note that event nativist parties of the 19th century didn't think immigrants were assimilating enough.

and how many of those immigrants were given an income on taxpayer dime higher than the native born citizens ? fucking ZERO

What modern US immigrants are outearning native born citizens after controlling for demographics?

 

[Croo67]

And this is why I said

Middle Eastern cultures are quite clearly not compatible with the West.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

I am pro legal immigration.

I am anti illegal immigration.

This is the answer.

Legal immigration of skilled professionals is needed to ensure growth and innovation in the West.

 

[Lycandroid]

How did they assimilate in ways that modern immigrants do not? Note that event nativist parties of the 19th century didn't think immigrants were assimilating enough.

They learned to speak the language, they adopted the culture and became a melting pot. Melting pot is now considered a racist term because modern immigrants push back against and refuse to assimilate to a much higher degree.

What modern US immigrants are outearning native born citizens after controlling for demographics?

That was not the argument I made, back in those times the government did not bring in immigrants who don't work just to give them more money in welfare than the average citizen makes. They did not give them preferential treatment over the rest of population.

Of course you aren't really known for honest conversations why start now.

 

[Bacco]

You should not start something if you don't take measures to stop problems coming with it

You want fast car you need also that car to have working brakes, to slow down or even stop it, otherwise you'll likely crash

i would be pro-immigration (or at least not against it) if there were some 100% working laws allowing us to have total control of who has the right to stay and who should be instantly detained and asap deported (to his country or one we pay for that)

Also system should evolve, our legal structure simply was'nt designed for this
Handle cases by trial one by one is'nt pragmatic option, specially with bureaucracy times and possibly judges trying to stop deportation case by case due political beliefs
We should have automatic system where at very least those caught on flagrant crime get detained and are 100% destined to deportation, taking all their biometric data while at it, so if they try enter Europe again they instant result as "banned" from the continent and deported

Would be useful also have the possibility to chose from wich countries we accept people and from wich we don't, based on crime on our soil stats we have on immigrants from this or that country
Most of countries give us people that overall find way to adapt to our society in positive way, all immigrants get bad rep as a whole for the shit behaviour of those few that don't
In my country we have immigrants from everywhere, yet nationalities in prison are usually ever same few ones

Ironically these few nations have so many economical deals with EU nations that if europe as a single big entity would ask to get back ALL their rats without complain or else (where "else" is hit them hard on business/wallet) they would be retard to not agree the deal, but we are too stupid, weak and divided for such easy move

Also we would need build many more prisons (or deportation being used way more as punishment) to clean cities and now even small towns, keep stray dogs in the streets because "jails are overcrowded already" is not a solution that benefit native population, and i would say who choses to apply latter solution is in not negligible part responsible the crimes these dogs do

Done as "we" are doing is imho either retardness, treason or at best indolence

I have no hopes for western europe to escape the slow fall that has been embraced
I don't see any viable political solution able to do all the drastic moves continent would need to return control it's own destiny

Only alternative future i can imagine is situation becoming SO MUCH crap that native people will not only allow but even ask for dictator type of leaders with full powers to break the rules, wich would probably involve lot of innocents too

So i imagine either a shit future or another shit future, first most probable shittier for natives, latter less likely shittier for immigrants

With such score guess was'nt best idea


When in few decades i'll be retirement age, will likely sell all our properties and go pass final part of life in some nice place that does'nt suffer of self-harm mental disease

 

[Siver!]

Well... it appears Democrats are back to wanting slaves

Got to be honest, this made me laugh!

Trump is the one saying illegal immigrants can stay as long as they are "vouched for" by a farm owner.

In other words, they can stay in the States as long as they do the exact same work for the exact same farm to a completely arbitrary standard while having no say whatsoever in the working conditions as they'd have fuck all rights if they left that particular farm.

But you're saying Democrats want slaves while the GOP actively pushes for the conditions for slavery lmao

 

[avenue94]

They learned to speak the language, they adopted the culture and became a melting pot. Melting pot is now considered a racist term because modern immigrants push back against and refuse to assimilate to a much higher degree.

At what rate did immigrants speak English in the 19th century versus 21st century? Most research suggests English literacy is higher in modern immigrants than those "good" whitish immigrants you love to wax on about in the 19th century.

And these immigrants adapted US culture? Is that why we celebrate St Paddy's and why there are large Chinatowns in major metro areas?

Who are these people calling melting pot a racist term?

That was not the argument I made, back in those times the government did not bring in immigrants who don't work just to give them more money in welfare than the average citizen makes. They did not give them preferential treatment over the rest of population.

Of course you aren't really known for honest conversations why start now.

The US doesn't bring in immigrants just to put them on welfare or provide preferential treatment. What welfare programs and advantages does the federal government provide for immigrants that aren't available to citizens?

 

[avenue94]

This is the answer.

Legal immigration of skilled professionals is needed to ensure growth and innovation in the West.

It's not just skilled professionals. If you want to support safety nets, you need the same amount of people entering the workforce as exiting it. There isn't enough labor period to sustain current safety nets unless you want to increase taxes or reduce entitlements.

Babies got to come from somewhere, and it ain't coming from Americans or Canadians who were born here.

 

[Scerpi]

All it would take for a hotel company to bring employees to do the dirty jobs is an office in big cities of the third world, and to bring migrants legally with VISA and working contracts.

Hunter Biden is playing the card of the west utopia, migrants are human-beings, migrants are miserable in their country, they came here because they wanted a second chance, a better life, lalalalalala. Most migrants will not know true happiness, and often will be exploited in the west, and will often suffer from discrimination, racism, and simply isolation due to the language barrier, and will live in slums and guettos, fleeing the third world to end up in the third world. It's just not sunny there.

If you were to accept migrants, identify them, prioritize them based on their skills rarity and value, make quotas to avoid overpopulation, that is the least to be done which is not done at all.

Yes….

Like Asian immigrants?

At least make sure they’re not violent criminals or cartel gang members

 

[Lycandroid]

At what rate did immigrants speak English in the 19th century versus 21st century? Most research suggests English literacy is higher in modern immigrants than those "good" whitish immigrants you love to wax on about in the 19th century.

The research actually said that exact opposite if you measure overtime. Those groups all speak english today ALL of them. There are multi generational immigrants today in the US from south america that don't speak a lick of english.

And these immigrants adapted US culture? Is that why we celebrate St Paddy's and why there are large Chinatowns in major metro areas?

Yes. Let me know when the Irish and the Chinese refuse to participate in anything that isn't their own culture.

Who are these people calling melting pot a racist term?

Many people are, and you know they are just like you are playing games with your line of questioning

The Term “Melting Pot” Was Once Used as a Tool to Promote Cultural Assimilation

In conversations about diversity in the United States, we often hear the term “Melting Pot” being used to refer to the mix of cultures and practices throughout regions. You may hear someone referring to a populous city as a Melting Pot. This term, commonly seen as a positive display of cultural...

www.revolutionnaire.co

https://theoccidentalnews.com/uncategorized/2016/01/01/melting-pot-a-derogatory-and-incorrect-phrase/2882079

The US doesn't bring in immigrants just to put them on welfare or provide preferential treatment. What welfare programs and advantages does the federal government provide for immigrants that aren't available to citizens?

It's not as bad as the US but ask anyone in the UK or Canada that question and you will get sickening answers.

By claiming asylum in Canada you will get more than any veteran gets, more than anyone on disability gets, more than anyone on CPP which is the Canadian pension fund.

 

[Brampton_Boy]

It's not just skilled professionals. If you want to support safety nets, you need the same amount of people entering the workforce as exiting it. There isn't enough labor period to sustain current safety nets unless you want to increase taxes or reduce entitlements.

Babies got to come from somewhere, and it ain't coming from Americans or Canadians who were born here.

I don't disagree. I'm all for legal migration - I just wanted to emphasize the point that skilled migration is the key to innovation and growth in the West.

I'm a professor at a major university in Toronto, and I would estimate that 70% of our graduate students are immigrants. If you go to the STEM disciplines, they are almost exclusively Indian/Asian/Arab students in the PhD programs.

People who are anti-immigration think that this is some sort of conspiracy to prevent Canadian/American born students from pursuing graduate studies/professional programs, but the hard truth is, it's often immigrant students (or the children of immigrants) that perform the best.